Disappointment?

Pearce and Fassbender are the best two actors of the group ..to be honest im not happy to see one doing the android and the other doing the old businnessman :D If its really that THEN the role of the "star" is back to noomi rapace and Idris Elba ...im curious to know the role of Ben Foster

One of the Full shots was when It grabs the DR. and then it [CRAWLS] over to Ripley and then there is another close up of it sticking it's face up to Ripley's Wicked!

ALIEN 3: The GOOD, The BAD, and The UGLY THE GOOD Original ideas General atmosphere Some dialogue Art Direction/Production Design Music Cinematography Costumes Sound effects Matte paintings THE BAD Almost all of the Special Visual Effects (especially optical/blue screen effects) A dearth of likeable characters Clunky and clumsy editing Pacing/Story structure Bishop Android connection THE UGLY Killing off prime characters for narrative convenience Killings which lacked purpose Killings which were sloppy and bloody vs. cold, eerie, and calculated The ALIEN’S physique…especially in motion (optical effects) In my opinion, the question is not whether ALIEN 3 is a good film, the question is…WHO is it good for? For myself, after seeing it many times, in different incarnations…I enjoy it. Do I think it’s a good or great film (like ALIEN, Blade Runner, The Thing, ALIENS, or The Terminator), absolutely NOT. After my initial disappointment in ALIEN 3…over the subsequent years…it grew on me. Once I had survived: 1. My initial shock of seeing two beloved characters (Newt and Hicks) needlessly a thoughtlessly killed off over the opening credits…for no other reason but actor availability issues, lazy writing and script constraints 2. The ALIEN looking like some small, Blue Screen-ish, lightweight, optically composited, cockroach thing (still haven’t recovered from the infirmary scene where this DICK head puppet looking thing pulls up to bald Ripley, looking as feeble as a cheap ass marionette). 3. And of course the Christ-like image of Ripley sacrificing herself in the hot lead for all of mankind…which would’ve been okay, except for the chestbursters impeccable timing, and our heroine having the presence of mind to reach up and hold onto the bogus looking practical effect. Not to mention the terrible molten metal animation. ...I was free to enjoy the film…as it is. And the reedited (non-directors cut) version is even better still…despite its goofy editing flaws, further bad animation, and patchy sound. Still infinitely better. @Spartacus I agree with some the comments in your posts. However, these films may belong to the creators/filmmakers/FOX, but it is asses in seats that make or break a film franchise…specifically mine and yours. And if these guys don’t get their shit together and give the people some quality cinema similar to the original ALIEN, the only asses that will be in the theater, will be themselves…give or take a few ALIEN addicts. Also, you’ve mentioned enjoying scenes where the ALIEN 3 Xenomorph devours or eats its victims. I don’t think that any of the ALIEN filmmakers ever intended that the viewer is to believe that the ALIEN…EATS it victims. It’s only ever been depicted as an instinctive means to reproduce and or eradicate anything that could pose a threat to its lifecycle. Not food. It just seems less creepy to me. Maybe I just have a completely different understanding of the ALIEN than you do. Anyway, I enjoy ALIEN 3 as well. Back to the old freezerinos! ~Neurion

ive read on one review of the comic con footage that the thing on Fassbender finger can be his own tear ...on another a black film from the eggs ... - One reviewer said that is Theron using the Flamethrower ..to me is Logan M.Green ... also there is a minicrew of 4 going in a vehicle probably to explore something ..one is surely noomi rapace and another the same logan M.Green .

We can also say that the "thing in the jars" create a mix between the aliens and the humans ( the xenomorph of Alien have a human shape after all ) BUT is also true that the space jockey of halien have 2 arms and a head ... Btw if the goo , the liquid , the black film from the jar have to take some form surely it looks like a mix between the alien architecture and a human body .

All very astute observations Neurion, Whatever it was eating or just ripping to pieces or cutting up to cacoon and store for egg implantation, I found such scenes in Alien 3 absolutely exhillerating to watch. It is the ONLY film of the four in which FULL SHOTS are seen of the Xenomorph engaded in said behaviour. By "Full Shot" I am referring to the Technical term for a shot that includes the entire body of the Alien and taken from a little further back so you can see Clearly what it is doing. The Dr.'s death scene, all of it, including the Xenomorph's intimidation of Ripley before it departs though the air vent above with his mutilated corpse, is a THING OF ABSOLUTE BEAUTY as far as cinema and film making go... IMO. Just a remarkable scene. Never the less I love the way you took the time to break down your argument and i respect that, I can tell there were things that bugged you as did me, but at the same time you could never have done that without a deep love for the entire franchise and all it's 4 films. You "prolly" could have done better than Fyncher. I think in the end when all is said and done and this film is released it will be along long time before I ever watch Alien 3 again, simply because THIS ONE...looks to me like it's going to blow ALL 4 OUT OF THE WATER PERMANENTLY!

I can't find the site that had the quote, but Ridley explains that after discovering the ruins in Africa in which the SJ's leave coordinates for possible descendents of humans in the future that will lead them to the SJ's home world. After making it to the SJ's world the crew find that the SJ's are delighted since humans have, out of all their creations, advanced the furthest. From here the SJs take the crew deeper into space, which is where the "weirdness" begins. The SJs share some of their secrets with the crew(as stated above in the fake-spoiler) in regards to terra-forming, secrets of life, etc. However, for one member of the crew what the SJs have revealed to the humans is not enough, and the natural curiosity of humans takes over. Once he "takes" whatever the SJs wanted to remain a secret from the humans is when things get dicey. The human crew is able to turn one of the SJs "creations" against them(the aliens which will not yet resemble 1979-etc) and they make their escape. The SJ's entire existence is called into question by the human crews actions. The SJs, in a last act of revenge/last laugh send out a lone ship, towards Earth-space - packed with the same cargo that is wiping out the SJs. The pilot of the derelict is on a kamikaze mission. In an "Alien" outtake the actual audio of the "SOS" is played for the crew of the Nostromo. The sound is defintely organic in nature(sounds like a cassette tape in slow-mo/reverse/varying speeds) and not any type of beacon or repeating manufactured signal. I like the idea of humans, as something the SJs "engineered" eons ago, coming to outsmart their creators(or are we ultimately outsmarted?) and then the SJs reverting to what is basically a TNT-vest suicide mission. I remember another Ridley quote in which he states that at the end of Prometheus we find ourselves on-board the derelict itself or what will become the derelict. I also read the part about the SJs having 2 men copulate to reproduce(not sure how such an advanced race would make that mistake) as well as the Weyland Corp. being involved(Yutani has yet to come along). It does make sense though that the SJs are extinct if we are colonizing space ourselves and the first signs of life are enountered by the crew of the Nostromo - aliens and the fossilized remains of a Jockey(with chest-burster hole). Not sure what everyone is getting at about the green/red goo/blood/eggs etc - but remember that in Alien there is another outtake that shows that the alien eggs can be formed not by a queen but by taking living beings and "cocooning" them, etc(Ripley runs into Dallas on the wall, already taking on the form of an egg, and speaking in tones of great pain). So far ALL the plot leaks and Ridley/actors involved quotes on plot seem to be awesome yet not entirely original. Alot seems to be similiar to the Dark-Horse comics Aliens spin-off series from the mid-90s(one spin off in particular, in which Earth is consumed by aliens and the "ghost" of the derelict appears to the main character in a dream to explain the story of the aliens and their own race). However, I am sure I will be proved wrong(but if not, I like the plot and story). On Alien 3 - I wish the Sulaco made it back to Earth and delve into how Ripley(along with Hicks and Newt, as well as Bishop - who may have been a company man in the end) deal with the W-Y Co. etc. Alien 4 totally ruined it with full-blown alien studies taking YEARS(i forget how many it is supposed to be, but WAY too long) to continue again - also I doubt the blast of the terra-forming reactors would have damaged the derelict and its cargo, considering it looked like it had been there for some time and was some distance from Hadley's Hope(people jump to conclusions about the blast radius/effects of a thermonuclear blast - the derelict is in one piece im sure, not to mention the terrain of LV-426(take Nagasaki - a city of hills in which parts of town, although 2-3 miles from impact displayed little to no damage as they were protected by geography like hills and mountain). I think that emphasis should definetely be placed on corporations having more control than govt's in the future as well as the picture painted in Alien(and blade runner) that the future is not all nice and white/polished but rather dingy with salaries just allowing for space crews to eek out a living - "We want to talk about the bonus situation, yes, exactly Dallas, the bonus situation!). Wow, a real novel of blabber I left - have fun deciphering!

All things being said, i think the only potential dissapointment from prometheus could be 1 of two things, or both for that matter, first if it is a garbage movie like avp requiem, or second and most seriously, it has a pg-13 rating, the pg-13 rating will absolutely kill this film. that is what scares me the most, anyone who disagrees need only watch the first avp and see how there is no real suspense of fear in that movie and the cut aways right when someone gets it, is weak, and that is what we'd all be left with, DISSAPOINTMENT!!!!!! hopefully with Ridley at the helm these two things can be averted and the story, whatever it turns out to be, will be entertaining.....

Alien did work because it was SCARING ...was a primitive FEAR ...you were there , in the middle of the crew thinking , with them , how to deal with IT . My main fear is that Ridley aim too high for what must be basically a Sci-fi horror movie . Im interested in an intriguing script but dont carry me too away with gods , life etc etc because its not that kind of a movie . I want to care about the crew , follow them and be scared with them .

Amen to that Blazer1411, ya just know if a film like this is carryin' a Pg-13 rating Into it's opening run it's gonna die a quicker death than one via Xenomorph!

@Spartacus Well Spartacus, I will say that I have a deep “cinematic” love, or at least appreciation for the original 1979 ALIEN film. As far as the rest of the franchise, you could say…I have a 32 year old infatuation with the ALIEN “universe” cooked up by Dan O’Bannon, Ridley Scott, and H.R. Giger. My fondness of the films follow a kind of descending order. I’ll put it this goofy way: If my viewing experiences of the ALIEN films were like sexual experiences with the fairer sex, I would list them thusly: ALIEN: A loving, deep, passionate, exotic, and mysterious time…with a beautiful and romantic climax. Like in a great marriage. Truly making love. Unforgettable! :-) ALIENS: Great foreplay, followed by an exciting, semi-taboo, rollercoaster ride, with a woman I’ve known for seven years…and was always curious about. Ending with a big bang, and then a European cigarette :-o ALIEN 3: Foolin’ around with a babe that reminds me of a woman that I’m still in love with. It’s a pretty good time…but I can’t stop thinking about the one I truly love. Melancholy sex :-( ALIEN: RESSURECTION: Bedding down with a prostitute or a VERY cheap broad. We go through the motions, but it just doesn’t feel right. I can’t really respect her…because she doesn’t even respect herself. She barely resembles who she used to be. And I’m pissed off that I actually paid for this counterfeit action…in one way or another. Nevertheless, I’ll call her again next week :-(( Weird huh? I guess. But that’s the way I feel about the franchise. Unfortunately, I am not as optimistic as you are about the new PROMETHEUS film. It’s pretty much destined to fail, at least ME. Either, because it just won’t measure up as a Great film story, or because it will tweak and mess with my own personal imaginings and Alien lore. So, as an old ALIEN “dog,” I’m pretty much screwed. Of course, there is an extreme, outside chance, that it will meet or even exceed my filmic desires, but I highly doubt it. If there’s a director who can do it, it’s probably Scott. But, even he has a relatively spotty film record lately. We’ll see. “I don’t trust anybody.” ~Dallas…and Neurion “Right. You see, Mr. Parker and I feel that the bonus situation has never been on an…equitable level.” ~Neurion P.S. Thanks for cordiality and kind words in your response to my post.

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BEST POST ON THE ALIEN FRANCHISE I HAVE EVER READ BY ANYONE...IN MY LIFE. WELL DONE NEURION I LAUGHED MY BUTT OFF TOO. I WOULD LOVE TO BE A FLY ON THE WALL DURING THE MOMENTS YOU ARE IN THE THEATER SEEING PROMETHEUS FOR FIRST TIME. AGAIN, INCREDIBLE POST AND NOT WEIRD AT ALL. IN FACT, YOU NAILED EXACTLY HOW I SEE ALL 4 OF THOSE FILMS AS WELL, BUT I LINGER A BIT MORE WITH THE WHORE THAT REMINDS ME OF THE OLD GIRLFREND. LMAO.

then the first AvP is like being tied with 7 horny dwarves around :D "get me out of hereeeeee " :D the second AvP is not actually THAT bad but is wave of alien cliches . if ive to point a finger to a great crew chemistry after the first alien i would surely say "sunshine" ...good movie in my opinion while i would say that " PAndorum " have a great script and a good show for ben foster ( there are some lowdowns in the movie too )

I can dig it Ruhaniya!...mine is at least a 3 ship hanger anyway. And we're drinkin' Absinthe and watchin' an ALIEN Marathon tonight. Be there or be SCARE! Main thing is...I don't want you to navigate in your condition. Friends don't let friends fly...too HIGH! Peace! ~Neurion :-{)}

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THE ONLY ONE IS ME... MY CALL SIGN ON ALL 4 SOCOM ONLINE'S HAS BEEN THIS... "LT-HIGHTIMES" NOONE CAN EVER GET ANY HIGHER THAN THAT I PROMISE...LMFAO.

@Neurion, My Gods space being so vast I only now got the invitation to the party! Absinthe....wow you do play hardcore. Makes me very conversational in the most memorable ways. As for your in depth description of your reaction to the various Alien films, to sum Alien 3 up succinctly, I put my popcorn away after the opening credits. I just lost my appetite after watching Newt and Hicks demise. The autopsy was the final straw, that left me cold, and uncaring. The tea stained appearance of the film put the entire visual experience into a squinting and looking into corners perspective. Like you, nothing equalled the novelty of the first film. It didn't sacrifice anything in order to generate those chills, and I wasn't tabulating a running body count. Well, enough said about spilt milk, or was that android bionanetic suspension? Let's just hope that Prometheus is more than any of us could have hoped for shall we..

[i]Various[/i] past-time movies (xept alien) with [b]H.R. Giger[/b] co-operating were: Design; conceptual art for [b]`Dune´[/b] 1984: Harkonnen Chairs, a.s.o. [b]Species I[/b], [b]II[/b] and [b]III[/b] (1995; 1998) [b]Killer Condom[/b] of 1996 was, by far, his worst, since he has lowered to trash genre. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxEdzPakOI P.S.: Somehow unsimilar to a George Lukas w. this guy, huh? Besides all debate: I´ve seen the prequel, which is on youtube for months in our local cinema, too. To me, that clealrly indicates that `Prometheus´ advertises itsself, I don´t know. btw. I share the opinion, that V. Ward´s concept was best, ever. For you guys, who [i]are looking for some text composition and citations[/i], here´s a [url=http://libcom.org/library/critique-psychoanalytic-film-analysis-case-alien-quartet]link[/url] to a social-anthropologist doin ethnographical research: he´s critisizing the [i]`Alien Quadrilogy´[/i] and [i]` Film Observation from a psychoanalysts perspective´[/i]