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MemberTrilobite01/14/2012This new interview with Kate Dickie has got me thinking...
First of I'll list what we know, adding the elements of Kate Dickie's interview:
1. Humans discover they were created by an alien race, not god.
2. Humans travel for 5 years to the planet with the answers.
3. Humans discover an ancient temple and the famous ampule room.
4. Humans grab a helmet/skull and at least one of the ampules.
5. Humans return to their ship as a storm/explosion hits
6. humans study helmet/skull and an ampule.
7. Someone mutates, Shaw pregnant, skeletal monstrosities stalking them.
...Unknown Gap...
8. Derelict takes off, human ship crashes into it.
9. Derelict crashes, Shaw and Vickers barely survive.
Of course there is the mystery of old bald guy, but that's another discussion.
What has got me thinking is the Space Jockey remains in the ampule room, the helmet/skull, the eerie emptiness of the temple and ampule room, the mention of the skeletal monstrosities and the creation of life idea.
Why would the crew go so far - for proof of their creation and for answers. But what if all they find is the ampule room and a dead alien. No answers, just more questions. What if god, or in this case our creators (Space Jockeys/Engineers) are dead. But surely if these guys could create life they would have a means to cheat death. what if our arrival on the planet resurrects them and sets of a chain of events that leads not to the creation of the Alien but the resurrection of the Alien, from times gone by.
We go looking for our god, and answers, but what we uncover is the truth that our creator is the devil, an ancient evil with an ancient army of demons (the Alien). Is this what Ripley meant by "...Its about everything..." and "...Its Epic..."
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Neurion
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph01/14/2012@Lyle
Your Quote:
A creature as advanced and higher then us probably doesn't or wouldn't have a concept of good or evil as they'd assume they're so far along the technological scale, it simply wouldn't matter.
My Response:
Why? Why would advanced technology make one life form “higher” or superior to another? This is the same kind of hubris that is currently plaguing the current scientific community. The prevailing concept seems to be “anything but God.”
In my opinion, science should not be pitted against the possibility of the existence of a God /Creator. Science is in part the research and study of the physical universe. In your post you refer to “A creature,” by definition a creature must have a “creator”…yes? In the scientific community, the belief in a God has been twisted into a merely archaic, outmoded, tribal, and or ignorant point of view. They have “outsmarted” even God…because of intellectual growth.
This could be the just the hubris or arrogance I have referred to.
In the film FORBIDDON PLANET…something similar occurred with the Krell. As Star Trek’s “DATA” once said, “Believing oneself to be perfect…is often the sign of a delusional mind.”
In my opinion, Atheism itself…is quite UNSCIENTIFIC. At the heart of all good science, you’ll find imagination…and an open mind.
~N
BellaisanAlien
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012Sounds simple Spartacus, maybe they should make a movie about it :)
EGR101
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012@Snorklebottom,
I would love the movie to go towards darker territories of evolution & genetic mixing. What if we humans are product of God's little orgies? With various humanoids, alien-hybrids, and -gulp, animals? Upon hearing this, some of the crew go ballistic, and start a war with the Gods: Interstellar Battle Royale!
If there is a sequel to this plot, there could be an Alien Invasion style plot evolving. I know it sounds like something James Cameron would do (except the orgies part). The original Robin Hood script that became the Robin Hood starring Russell Crowe had Robin Hood as the villain (!). When I heard Ridley Scott is doing a revisionist Robin Hood, I was excited. But alas, Universal turned it back into a rather conventional Braveheart-style movie. It could happen with PROMETHEUS.
EGR101
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012@Spartacus, CLOSE ENCOUNTERS is a fantastic movie. But it stops short of any further discussion about contact with higher intelligence being. One thing interesting to note though that one of the Aliens look a lot like the Kid #1 they abduct. Maybe they absorb some of his DNA essence through a very rude series of experiments.
Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/14/2012Take these three ideas...
1. Shaw pregnant with proto-xeno facehugger, facehugs SJ, Queen lays all the eggs.
2. Human mutates, becomes an SJ and decides to attack earth.
3. Urns become eggs (???) and the Alien is born, to be used against the humans.
I find these ideas small. one ship, one cargo of eggs, thats not very epic. Instead try this...
1. Humans go to temple and steal stuff.
2. SJ's (yes plural) are woken from a very, very deep sleep.
3. 100's, thousands maybe millions of Derelicts awaken throughout the universe, each loaded with eggs.
4. The xeno is revealed to ancient, old than man.
Now thats epic.
BTW bioformer, or as I call it magic snot, thats not very Epic really.
EGR101
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012@Snorklebottom,
Your Epic Plot does sound like the original ALIEN only with a bigger budget. The original ALIEN has a very popular plot template for an adventure movie and it kinda resembles the plot of RAIDERS OF LOST ARK. Don't mess with God's stuff.
mcy
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012Any idea could be epic dependent on the treatment of the subject matter. I think the center of any epic is the ability to touch the core of human existance in each. The movie will only be as epic as its ability to emontionaly connect to a person regardless of if it focuses on orgins of human life or Shaw and Halloway's reenactment of Twilight. Point is, I think we can all point to movies that dealt with epic topics that failed to be epic and on the other end, movies that dealth with mundane topics that felt epic.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012this turned into an amazing discussion!
Thanks you guys
great reading.
Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012@Neurion - I wasn't stating that it IS the case, I just think that a civilization that is so stupidly advanced technologically just wouldn't have any care of what actions/intentions are decided to be good or evil. Also if a society is more technologically advanced, they tend to have that attitude. I.e humans assume they're more important in the universe then say cattle. That's the type of analogy I'm getting at :)
Also. . . How about this turn on the story - What if the proto-xeno's were created by the Engineers to be the ultimate and their best ever creation, but humanity or the Prometheus crew somehow tainted their creations by doing whatever they do in the film. . .??
Alejandro Perez Acosta
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012OMHO in the trailer when (presumably) Shaw said ..."I was so wrong" probably it mask the entire movie plot. She no longer believes in God.
Guest
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012I don't think Ridley was trying to hide anything in that quote of his. It's a movie about god in a manner of speaking, if you're looking for something bigger than that you won't find anything.
I translated "It's about everything" into "it's about us", not literally everything.
goodkat
MemberOvomorph01/14/2012I don't think Ridley was trying to hide anything in that quote of his. It's a movie about god in a manner of speaking, if you're looking for something bigger than that you won't find anything.
I translated "It's about everything" into "it's about us", not literally everything.
Xenophobe
MemberOvomorph01/15/2012I think the line "I was so wrong" is simply about humans perceptions on how life came to exist on Earth or indeed the galaxy, as it's assumed that life just evolves etc but the thought that some civilization is going around creating planets and species would lead to that view being "So wrong". . .
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