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BellaisanAlien
MemberOvomorph01/17/2012I thought this would be good to start as a seperate discussion.
I'm wandering if the fossilised space jockey in Alien could be explained by the fact that the person in the chair is mutating. My thoughts are:
1. The character (who I belive is in the wheelchair scenes) mutates into the big blue guy, sits in the chair, but continues to mutate and appears to be fossilised into the chair.
2. Or, the chair isn't designed to be used for extended periods, the Derelict crashes and the Engineer gets trapped in the chair, the technology starts to absorb him and he appears fossilised.
3. Or, once the derelict crashes a safety system is initiated and the ship seals vital components, thus the Engineer appears to be fossilised......
I'd welcome any thoughts on this, pure speculation as it is.............
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Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/17/2012@ Theusprom...
I am not being arrogant in any way shape or form. And in most of my posts i regulary use IMO, but in this case it is obvious...
1. Compare the suits/statues in the new image with Shaw to the SJ in Alien, they are identical in appearance, the only difference is their colour.
2. Dallas, as did we all, assumed the SJ to be an endoskeletal creature, thus seeing its skeletal appearance he assumed it looked fossilized, as did we all. This was most likely the original intention but Ridley has obviously changed it evidenced by the the image that has been released, and the earlier image with the SJ suit on the floor.
3. Dallas was wrong now we can see that the pilot wasn't fossilized, but a skeletal suit, because of Ridleys changes.
4. The fossilized xeno didn't appear in the film thus does not need explaining.
5. What we thought we saw 30 years ago was the skeletal remains of a big flesh and blood Alien, Ridley has changed it, what we now see is a skeletal suit, thus no fossilization.
Use your eyes, its not that hard to see.

RickK
MemberOvomorph01/17/2012Maybe in those days seeing a giant fossilized alien dead in a chair was no big deal.

Theusprom
MemberOvomorph01/17/2012[b]Use your eyes, its not that hard to see.[/b][u][/u]
Ok fella, hey you believe what ever you like

Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/17/2012@ Theusprom...
How are you taking this as a personal attack.
When I first posted on this thread I suggested the atmosphere may have helped in fossilization. A long shot but was adding to the pool of ideas...
Then I searched for a decent pic of the SJ for my own personal use and then flipped my tab in my browser back here where I had the new image up.
I flicked back and forth, noticing they looked the same, then remembering Ridleys comment that the big guy in the chair was a suit, it hit me there is no fossilization, as I have tried to explain to everyone here.
But you have assumed I'm seeing something that isn't there... LOOK FOR YOURSELF, the suits and the jockey are the same, there is no fossilization, Ridleys comment changes the game.

Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/17/2012At the time and for the past 33 years yes i agree, but ridley has changed everything saying that it was a suit and showing us the suits that are identical to what we saw, we were wrong, the fossilization is wrong because it isnt the fossilized remains but a faded suit

walterhiller
MemberOvomorph01/17/2012we don't know what fossilization refers to in the near future. it may very well encompass what snorkelbottom describes, or it may not.
but if the theory that the derelict discovered by nostromo is the one that came crashing down in the trailer(and there is a strong case to be made for that), then one either must admit that retconning has taken place or that there are other possibilities. one which i just described.
true fossilization, the current definition has no account for being freeze dried in the vacuum of space, but it's possible that in the future when humanity becomes a space faring race, such a definition would be considered.

Guest
MemberOvomorph01/18/2012I believe SJ IS fossilized and millennia old in Alien for the following reasons:
-Details in Prometheus show a more slick, smoother and metallic "bio-mechanical" interior of the derelict, implying that it has "grown" ancient from millions of years in the movie Alien.
-The textures on the walls have grown more pronounced in Alien, from metallic and smooth, into rigid boney biological forms. Nails continue to grow post mortem in human corpses- similar here.
-LV-426 shows atmosphere and plant life where it crashes in Prometheus trailer, which could be an SJ terraforming project gone awry, because in Alien it is a baron, lifeless, desolate planet.
-There will be time travel in this movie to make the fossilization theory work. These creatures are ancient and technologically superior, so I say time travel is possible.
Could be wrong but it makes sense from what I've seen!
Any takers?

Galaxy Dave
MemberOvomorph01/18/2012I believe SJ IS fossilized and millennia old in Alien for the following reasons:
-Details in Prometheus show a more slick, smoother and metallic "bio-mechanical" interior of the derelict, implying that it has "grown" ancient from millions of years in the movie Alien.
-The textures on the walls have grown more pronounced in Alien, from metallic and smooth, into rigid boney biological forms. Nails continue to grow post mortem in human corpses- similar here, the ship was "alive". The overall shape looks organic and mechanical.
-LV-426 shows atmosphere and plant life where it crashes in Prometheus trailer, which could be an SJ terraforming project gone awry, because in Alien it is a baron, lifeless, desolate planet.
-There will be time travel in this movie to make the fossilization theory work. These creatures are ancient and technologically superior, so I say time travel is possible.
Could be wrong but it makes sense from what I've seen!
Any takers?

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-21-2012 10:23 AM..fossilized..
Dallas didn't seem like a scientist,,and may have used the word..'fossilized'..as I might have on the first viewing.
But what other word would describe the SJ's situation..in the chair?...and could that give an explanation that wouldn't involve millions of years?
Thanks for the link..
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life

crivvens
MemberOvomorphJul-22-2012 3:08 PMWhat about the fact in Prometheus, the head of an engineer is reanimated after appearing fossilized? The eggs in alien seem almost stone, then reanimate, ultimately giving John Hurt a bad case of indigestion.
Could the fossilization, just be a way of freezing by the technology of the engineers? Then Kane, Dallas and co, wouldn't know any different. They aren't scientists on a mission like prometheus, just regular guys thrown into an unusual situation. Just my opinion......

brego
MemberOvomorphJul-22-2012 5:38 PMI would have thought that an explanation is given in the film Prometheus.
Something (another threads discussion) caused a mass exodus of Engineers from Planet LV233 around 2000 years ago.
At least one Engineer escaped LV233 in a space craft and either became impregnated (or already was) by the DNA changing substance or Hugger.
Either after landing on LV426 or during flight the Xeno bust through the Engineers body and bio suit killing it.
This Xeno made its way to the bowels of the ship (or egg silo beneath the landed ship), became an egg layer, layed the eggs and either left or died of old age.
As the ship was somewhat open to the elements of LV426 all organics would surely simply dehydrate rather than decay (as there are no known microbes on LV426 to cause rotting), hense would look "Fossilised"
2000 years later Nostromo is awaken by the beacon.
I dont know why there is so much conjecture re time travel and alternate ideas as this would also answer the question as to why the company would have been so secretive in sending the Nostromo to investigate, making it seem like the on board computer picked up the signal, already knowing what it could be as per the disastrous actions some years earlier.
I imagine that with so many Scientists dead the government of the day would want answers and Weyland would need to tread carefully in future endeavours.
Brego.
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