Space Jockey Was Never Fossilized

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Gavin

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I've started this as a thread to see if anyone else see's what I see. In Alien our assumption and Dallas' was that the Space Jockey in the Derelict was fossilized and had been there a long, long time... [img]http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg[/img] For 30 years we have held to this assumption, believing the Space Jockey was a flesh and blood being when he was alive, kinda like this (best picture I could get to illustrate my point)... [img]http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/d/d1/Mala'kak.jpg[/img] Then recently Ridley Scott changed the gameplan and announced that what we saw in Alien wasn't the Space Jockey, it was its suit. Which we see examples of in this (taken from the newest image)... [img]http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/space_jockey_background_crop.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/28869/Prometheus_Image_Shows_Two_Space_Jockey_Suits_The_Background_1326727467.jpg[/img] Looking at these suits/statues and comparing them to the image from Alien and Ridleys statement reveals that the Space Jockey wasn't fossilized in Alien, it was just a faded exo-skeletal bio-mechanical suit. Yes that means Dallas was wrong and after all these years (33) we were wrong. Fossil - [i]n[/i] petrified (skeletal) remains of plants and animals [img]http://www.staff.olympia.org/external/OHSLibrary/dino1.gif[/img] The Space Jockey is not and never was a fossil, just a faded exo-skeletal suit. To clarify here is a quote from forum member Starbeast... [quote]It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but is now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.[/quote] Am I the only one who sees this.

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Knorbuffel
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KnorbuffelJanuary 17, 2012

Well, if a bio-mechanical suit is bio enough, it would fossilize after a serious amount of time, under the condition of a wet atmosphere and some minerals line calcium.

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TheuspromJanuary 17, 2012

Not sure a new thread was needed but... In the original script there was also an alien fossilized, standing in a corner, that crew don't see.That quote by Dallas "Looks fossilized" was always a nod to the audience to explain the fact that the Jockey had been there for a very long time.I just don't get why else it would be in the script?I mean he doesn't say "Looks fossilized, but it might be this crazy LV426 atmosphere and it probably has only been here a couple of decades."The whole point on him saying "fossilized" was to give the impression it was very,very old - imho of course. So even if Dallas was wrong about the SJ, it is still obvious the writers wanted to give the audience the impression that it was very, very old as the other creature is fossilized too. From the original script: [b]Dallas gets up. They stand for a moment... Then move away from the rock formation. Fossilized into the other side of the rock is a shape. Fifteen feet tall. Unseen by the members of the party.[/b] Rewatching the scene it is actually -" looks like it's been dead awhile, fossilized."

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spacejockeyitchJanuary 17, 2012

Didn't Dallas say that the suit looked like it was growing out of the chair?

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The High PriestJanuary 17, 2012

Your not the only one that sees it, I think it's just that alot of us think it's a real bummer and a let down that a) Its a bloody suit! and b) it isn't a fossilised, very ancient skeleton of a long dead creature, whos "ribcage" had been ripped apart by a chestburster.

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RickKJanuary 17, 2012

Dallas also said that it looked like it had grown out of the chair - whether he meant it looked like it "outgrew" the chair or had literally been grown from the chair is anyone's guess. Regardless, whatever Ridley's reasonings were behind the thing in the original movie have changed. So maybe back when he did Alien this was it's true form, I doubt he gave the backstory much thought back then, but now he's going to explain it and in doing so he's changed some stuff and now it's a suit. Simple as that..

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GavinJanuary 17, 2012

There is no fossilization in the space of 30 years, the suits and the Jockey are identical. I get that for 33 years we have all held to this fossilization, as have I but Ridley has changed it - compare the Jockey and the suits/statues and look at Ridleys statement.

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GavinJanuary 17, 2012

Good to see I'm not the only one who gets this...

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bregoJanuary 17, 2012

Interesting. Dallas states "looks fossilized” perhaps LV426's primordial atmosphere affected the bio mechanical suit/creature in a strange way creating the look of fossilization.

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GavinJanuary 17, 2012

Thats it, it just caused the suit to fade, which we and Dallas mistook as a fossil

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KnorbuffelJanuary 17, 2012

Not buying it, but after all, it's been a long time since Alien. I'm not expecting to see Apple ][ graphics, nor do I expect an answer to all the riddles of Alien. Going into hibernation till opening day. This is Knorbuffel, signing off.

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GavinJanuary 17, 2012

nothing to buy, it is what it is, Ridley changed it not me, I'm just pointing it out

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BiomechanicJanuary 17, 2012

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

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GavinJanuary 17, 2012

I agree, when I first clicked it was a case of WTF, but we were all wrong all that time now that Ridley has changed it

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F--- it - lets go for it!January 17, 2012

absolte cracker, biomech...was pissing myself, everyone just take a deep breath.... and release!!

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SpartacusJanuary 17, 2012

AND PARKER, {I KEEP INSISTING RICK}, DID IN FACT BREAK WIND AFTER SIPPING HIS COFFEE IN "ALIEN". RIDLEY SCOTT DID IN FACT DELIBERATELY LEAVE THIS IN THE THEATRICAL VERSION/RELEASE OF THE FILM. IT'S NICE TO KNOW THE FACTS ISN'T IT?

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artyohJanuary 17, 2012

Tying his two films into a neat little bow, by making the ship in Prometheus end up as the derelict from "Alien" would be too clever by half, IMO. I'm expecting a bit more than the usual all-too predictable Hollywood nonsense from this movie.

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SpartacusJanuary 17, 2012

the thing that's getting to me the most about just about ALL OF YOU, IS THIS COMPLETE LACK OF FAITH IN AND OF ANY UNDERSTANDING OF RIDLEY SCOTT HIMSELF or how he most righteously rolls !!!

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alteredstate.January 17, 2012

rolls spartacus cheese rolls, rolls royce , rolls on the floor laughing ? rules

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SpartacusJanuary 17, 2012

LMAO, I could have said "roles" and it would have worked perfectly too !!! Maybe even better. It just flat out seems to me that what everyone keeps missing is this...This will not just be an "EPIC" film...it will be an "EPIC" film created by an "EPIC" film maker and his "EPIC" little "droogie" none other The Distinguished Mr. H R Giger. It's NOT just an "EPIC" film. It is also something that will happen maybe this ONCE in all of our lifetimes! Just Like Muhammed Ali, who incidentally turned 70 today, and was "EPIC" ! These things happen ONLY once.................... ..................................................If we're LUCKY.

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CBT1979January 17, 2012

We thought it was fossilized. Its got to stop. we were wrong, so wrong. we are so sorry XD

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alteredstate.January 17, 2012

@ Spartacus..Well i'm in agreement i think whatever happens it will be a very good film hopefully a great instant classic but i cant imagine it being bad but the trouble is and i'm as guilty as everyone else we are all putting this film on a pedestal that's going to be hard for any film maker to live up to . I just know Ridley's no fool and wants to do the best he can with any project he engages in but as stated before you can't please everyone all of the time . I just hope the film is intelligent, well written, and entertaining i have more Ridley films in my film collection then any other director and unlike some i feel none of his films are what i term bad some are much better than others but none are truly terrible. I never bought a good year though wasn't my thing but its not awful its watchable that's it. Besides not all projects are deemed classic material and i don't think films should be made with that kind of expectation but when you raise the bar in some genres it tends to be expected for all.

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bregoJanuary 17, 2012

LOL I have complete faith in Ridley and I expect not only the film but the story to be incredible in an unexpected way. Perhaps the SJ in the original Alien is thousands of years old and the action in the trailer happens else where and only leads the Promethius to LV426 for a totally different reason. We will have to wait and see......

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SpartacusJanuary 17, 2012

I hope you do not psyche yourself out and lose the ability to just sit still and absorb what you are about to see!!!

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StarbeastJanuary 17, 2012

It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but [i]is[/i] now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.

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GuestJanuary 17, 2012

There's a good reason why the SJ might be fossilized. The derelict ship crashes on a planet with a moist atmosphere and has greenery, as seen in Prometheus trailer. In Alien, LV426 is a dark and lifeless atmosphere. When comparing the two atmospheres, it would imply millenia would have passed. This also could mean LV426 was an SJ terraforming project of theirs gone awry. Of course this would mean there's a worm hole of some kind, throwing us back into the past. Also, look at the interior of the SJ command post. In Alien the interior walls were boney and in Prometheus it is new, smooth and metalic, but still in keeping with the original boney pattern. Keep in mind that this technology is biomechanical and the ship's structure can grow or change. I personally think the mechanical structure turns biological with time, hence the boney appearance.

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GuestJanuary 17, 2012

"Alien" was pretty damned epic in terms of art design and direction. The cast was really talented, but the script didn't allow for much in the way of fleshing-out the victims before they were eviscerated.....or cocooned. I mean, come on, [i]Ash[/i] is the most interesting character on the ship! The movie worked in spite of that, certainly not because of it, and writing is what I have some concerns about with this installment. The plot and story could be shockingly unexpected and original.....or Hollywood-predictable. I do really like the sequence of the SJ ship falling, crashing into and rolling across the ground. It's unpredictably, completely unrealistic, relative to what we should expect, and an effective way of demonstrating that the SJs possess technology[i] far[/i] beyond our understanding. On the other hand, if the SJ ship in Alien and Prometheus ended up being one and the same, I think it would simply be just a bit [i]too[/i] neat.........."picky-picky" I know. p

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NeurionJanuary 17, 2012

Hey guys, I might be completely behind on PROMETHEUS news but, what about the recent photos of latex Space Jockey masks or prosthetic appliances? If those are the real thing…then the Space Jockey beings in this film will have flesh…of some kind. The SJ “suit” could just be an outer exo-skeletal shell with fleshy components. The suit may still be alive…in a symbiosis with the wearer…as I’ve already heard discussed in length on these forums. The “Alien” itself had an exoskeleton and a form flesh and tissue…like an insect. Ergo, the SJ in the original ALIEN might actually BE…a dead fossilized biomechanical suit, with an equally dead “Engineer” wearer, with a burst ribcage. The new photos are so shadowed, that they don’t reveal much in detail…just the general SJ shape that we’re all familiar with. What do you think…yes…no? ~N

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alteredstate.January 17, 2012

sounds Feasible enough to me ask walter he will give you his superior opinion lol

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warchildJanuary 17, 2012

I wonder if Weylan corp has some sort of genetics program that went bad and now there sending another set of expendable crew to assist in their observing and laughing project..

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GavinJanuary 18, 2012

[quote]It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but is now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.[/quote] Starbeast, that is the best way of putting it, why others are hesitant to accept it is beyond me

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ApolloJanuary 18, 2012

I agree , i think it was faded not fossilized. Or possibly maybe the colour difference between the suits we see is the fact that maybe there are two types of Jockeys caught up in a civil war or something... that could also explain why other things look different such as the spaceship crashing. Who knows maybe the one suit we saw in the original alien was one side ,,, who were hell bent on creating some type or bio weapon and destroying worlds and then maybe the other darker suits are against that and want to preserve life Just a thought. This is killing me all this speculation but I love it at the same time.

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Kane77January 18, 2012

the fossilazation look is indeed a problem, that would mean it has to be be biological and at least there for millions of years, otherwise it just would fade away. Furthermore, the hole from the chest burster looks fossilized, too. For me, thats what Giger wanted with his design, as he did it with his own hands on the set.

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PlagioclaseJanuary 18, 2012

Fossilisation, complete in-to fossilisation I doubt it, not without some sort of sedimentation process followed by an exchange of mineral composition and, considering the chemical composition of the atmosphere of LV426 I mean its a movie people... can only be better then Alien 3 and 4 . the suit is more a fesable theory anyway. Let me guess as to the ending one lone female... Somebody wake up Hicks!

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dbJanuary 20, 2012

If this is the case. It justifies my ongoing confusion as to the time span between this prequel and the first movie. The tech. from the Nostromo (and the slightly later marines for that matter) seems comparable to Prometheus. If the SJ was fossilized (takes at least 10,000 yrs), the Nostromo's tech would be seriously more advanced... Unless the Prometheus goes through a worm hole with the crew of the Enterprise and goes back in time. True?

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dbJanuary 20, 2012

Also, wouldn't Earth be gone by the time another 10,000 yrs. went by? Wouldn't the Weylan(d) company?

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GuestJanuary 21, 2012

is supposed to be a fossil rock which was moulded by bones? without a doubt the sj of Alien the eighth passenger wore a biological suit as the using of ID4 aliens. Perhaps its deterioration is due to the fact that it is a biomechanoid that has been affected by the conditions of the environment and the passage of time. The xenomorfos must be machines due to the strong resemblance they have with the SJ. I hope that the movie has sexual references as the Necronomicon. in fact come to think that the space jockeys would be as bad as the cenobites from Hellraiser. Another thing that I imagine at first was that the xenomorphs would have a different aspect by the fact of having had no contact with humans. Just imagine a native creature on the planet of the jockey, who is infected by the facehugger, the result would be a creature with a completely different aspect to the xenomorph born of a human, dog, cat or Predator…

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shambsJanuary 21, 2012

Is supposed to be a fossil rock which was moulded by bones, true? without a doubt the SJ of Alíen the eighth passenger wore a biological suit as the using of ID4 aliens. Perhaps its deterioration is due to the fact that it is a biomechanoid that has been affected by the conditions of the environment and the passage of time. Indeed the xenomorphs must be machines due to the strong resemblance they have with the suit. I hope that the movie has sexual references as the Necronomicon. in fact come to think that the space jockeys would be as bad as the cenobites from hellraiser. Another thing that I imagine at first was that the xenomorphs would have a different aspect by the fact of having had no contact with humans. Just imagine a native creature on the planet of the jockey, who is infected by the facehugger, the result would be a creature with a completely different aspect to the xenomorph born of a human, dog, cat or predator…

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RakkasanJanuary 24, 2012

Ridley only said it's a suit. He never even mentions what type. We assume bio-mechanical because that plays into Giger's designs. If it is a suit I will agree it can't be fossilized. As was already mentioned there needs to be an organcic element to become fossilized. However if it is bio-mechanical then there is your organic element. Bio is short for biological right? As for the time to become fossilized. Does Ridley mention in his interviews that only 30 years (or so) has past? Does he mention that it is the same derelict in Prometheus as in Alien? Call it hokey, but would anyone put it past Hollywood to try some crazy wormhole crap. I agree Ridley Scott is an excellent director and a true visionary, but I caution putting him up on a pedastol until the movie is released. A few years ago a lot of bloggers bowed down at the alter of sci-fi to worship another director that was making pre-quels. I have 3 words for how they turned out. Jar Jar Binks.

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GavinJanuary 26, 2012

I have added an image of a fossil to the OP to help fuel this discussion.

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