Hate the Idea

Golic
MemberOvomorphJanuary 19, 20122441 Views31 RepliesI'm really not happy with the engineers resembling human beings. The thought that the SJ from the 79' film is just a shell or a suit really makes me nervous. Part of the appeal of Alien is the sense of mystery. I have a feeling that Prometheus is going to blow the lid off of the mystery and it just won't live up to the hype. I haven't been this excited to see a film ever but man I'm kind of worried. Anyone else feel this?
January 20, 2012
Golic, yeah I have been endlessly banging on about the very same thing since Scott announced the SJ in Alien was a "suit". I am uber excited about seeing this movie, however the whole suit idea is like something that Lucas would do. For me I adored the fact that the discovered Jockey was so "unhuman like" and resembled some unimaginable lifeform. To find out it is a suit really "Lucased" me out. In fact I am incredibly surprised that more people on this forum have not erupted about this crucial worrying point. Let's be honest the SJ suits behind Noomi in that shot, the boots are terrible, I expected the SJ legform to be really bizzare, kind of like much of the fan art interpretations........worrying.
January 20, 2012
those aren't sj.
sj looks like an sj. there's a scene where they found an sj skull. it's not human looking. it had suture marks, so it's a skull, not a helmet.
hope that clears it up.
January 20, 2012
@walterhiller
I believe what they find is a helmet from the suit so the SJ could be humanoid in appearance. But putting that argument aside for a moment, there's something I don't understand.
Perhaps you can explain to me why suture marks proves its a skull? I just don't get that argument.
January 20, 2012
"[b]Part of the appeal of Alien is the sense of mystery. I have a feeling that Prometheus is going to blow the lid off of the mystery and it just won't live up to the hype. I haven't been this excited to see a film ever but man I'm kind of worried. Anyone else feel this?[/b]"
I'm with you on this 100% I've been thinking about this myself. Part of the enduring quality of Alien, apart from the fact that it was such a good film, comes from the mysteries in the film - what was thing in the chair, what was the derelict & why did it have all those eggs in there covered by a blue mist/laser? How did Ash/the company know all about this?
I guess we're hoping for a lot of answers in Prometheus. But will we be happy when we get them? And one way or another how will this change the way we view the original? Part of me wants to keep the mystery in tact but there's another part hungry to satisfy curiosity!! ...... which could be what Prometheus is all about in a nutshell!! The Human compulsion .... and how it usually gets us up s**t street without a paddle!!!
January 20, 2012
Regards the suture marks on the skull/helmet...
[b]SKULL[/b]
Suture marks are found on bones. Skulls are bone, this is the basis of those arguing its a skull. Add to this the fact that it looks different to the Space Jockey head in Alien, which had no suture marks, but looked like molted, mummified flesh.
[b]HELMET[/b]
Because the Space Jockeys supposedly use biomechanical technology, helmet enthusiasts argue its a biomechanical helmet possibly made of bone that something else wears (most presume the big blue guy).
Personally I believe its a skull, because despite their biomechanical fetish I can't imagine an advanced race wearing a helmet made of bone.
January 20, 2012
I have to agree with SnorkelBottom. An advanced race with the capabilty to possibly create life, terraform planets supposedly and travel the far reaches of space to then use bone for helmets just doesnt add up at all. That is like cavemen with their clubs and stuff but have the knowledge ti travel the universe... something not right there but who knows hey.
January 20, 2012
[b]@Snork[/b] You're 100% correct, the lines on the skull where the plates fuse give it away.
January 20, 2012
@snorkelbottom
I see. Thanks for the clarification.
I guess time will tell who's right. What convinces me most that it is a helmet is the screen cap of the cannon in the trailer. The top part of the chair seems to have what looks like the Space Jockey head/helmet that is opened up, and when closed (to form the helmet) this would form the suture marks we're talking about. Also what adds weight is SRSs remark that the SJ in Alien is meant to be a suit. Although to be honest I'm taking that from other posts. Where does SRS say that is is a suit? on the commentary or in making of documentary?
From what I've gleaned from Google searches is that suture marks are indeed found on bone in skulls as you say but are not purely restricted to being found on bone.
January 20, 2012
Applying Occams Razor to this question I would come up with its a skull. But I hope Occams Razor is wrong on this one ;) Coz it'd prove me wrong - lol.
January 20, 2012
I agree,
Plus, Archeologists don't stand around medical tables to look at and examine Helmets!
January 20, 2012
[b]Spartacus[/b], I have no idea one way or the other - skull vs. helmet. But if it is a bio-mechanical helmet (meaning part of it was "alive" at one point), I could see archaeologists examining it.
And let's say it is a helmet (and suit), who's to say what's inside isn't more mysterious/disturbing than the suit itself (and not the humanoid)?
Just some thoughts...
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