Helmet or Skull?

Seriously though, there are a couple more points I could make. Logic stands: IF we take what Ridley Scott says to be true (it's kinda' like the Bible, we can't pick and choose)... then the movie is what he says it is. If we don't, it isn't... and we have no common ground to comment on. IE: It's not a prequel, it doesn't take place in the same universe as Alien, (the derelict just happens to look the same), oh yeah, and it just happens to crash... nada. If he says it's a suit, as badly as I wish it wasn't, then I accept that. If it's a prequel to Alien, and as he said we will see the tie-in in the end (and that tie-in happens to be the chestburster that comes out of the SJ)... then it stands to follow that a human, or humanoid creature was inside of the SJ suit... probably Shaw, the last survivor of the Prometheus crew (as I believe I've stated in an early post). Therefore: It's a helmet.

[b]Can I just say:[/b] [b]@RickK[/b] I think you have just hit the nail on the head sir. I think production team might struggle a little with that explanation. The SJ in ALIEN was probably designed to be a creature, or the skeleton of one. It'll be interesting to see if they address the design differences in Prometheus.

with these creatures being bio-mech by nature, throw in the bio-former and who knows what the suits could be made too look like....who says we have to understand its composition and construction. i had as many questions about the alien when it was revealed!! good theory with shaw donning the suit!!!! also ridders is bound to misinform...

Picture 1 - Helmet Reason : I think this is the helmet from the ampule room photos. It looks larger and more rounded than the skull in image #3. To me it makes sense that the suit would look somewhat similiar to the being that wears the suit. If #1 is a skull, then how did the head become seperated from the rest of the corpse. I've read people say that it's du to natural decay, but then I would expect the rest of the body to be in a similar state of decay. Picture 2 - Helmet Reason : RS said so. It's his movie and his story. Picture 3 - Skull Reason : The original article that this image was attached to had some comments from the person supplying the images. His comments were that this represented a prosthetic mask worn by an actor. This skull looks smaller and less bulky than the object in picture #1, like it could fit inside. The hardest parts of this to digest are : 1) We thought the blue guy wore the suit. If not--Who is he? 2) If #3 is a skull it would seem that the SJ really look like SJ's. At that point why even bother making the SJ wear a biomechanical suit? The only thing I can think of is it allows for easier crew interaction. Example : Easier for the crew to interact with a human wearing prosthetics versus a CGI or animatronic SJ.

Picture 1 - Helmet Reason : I think this is the helmet from the ampule room photos. It looks larger and more rounded than the skull in image #3. To me it makes sense that the suit would look somewhat similiar to the being that wears the suit. If #1 is a skull, then how did the head become seperated from the rest of the corpse. I've read people say that it's du to natural decay, but then I would expect the rest of the body to be in a similar state of decay. Picture 2 - Helmet Reason : RS said so. It's his movie and his story. Picture 3 - Skull Reason : The original article that this image was attached to had some comments from the person supplying the images. His comments were that this represented a prosthetic mask worn by an actor. This skull looks smaller and less bulky than the object in picture #1, like it could fit inside. The hardest parts of this to digest are : 1) We thought the blue guy wore the suit. If not--Who is he? 2) If #3 is a skull it would seem that the SJ really look like SJ's. At that point why even bother making the SJ wear a biomechanical suit? The only thing I can think of is it allows for easier crew interaction. Example : Easier for the crew to interact with a human wearing prosthetics versus a CGI or animatronic SJ.

It doesn't necessarily have to be either or, it could be [i]both[/i]; If the helmet was biomechanical then the helmet itself could have a skull, which is visible after the thin layer of living tissue has died away. Alternatively, perhaps the suit does not necessarily include a helmet. Perhaps the head is the actual head! And therefore, we are looking at a skull all the while. I'll take anytyhing other than it ending up with the tall guy - whom I will henceforward refer to as [b]Riddick[/b] (from [i]Pitch Black[/i] and [i]Chronicles of...[/i] fame) - because that to me is entering into Disneyland.

Ridley's statement could be misdirection. Alien in a suit, but do you really want to see this: [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3Y1o3fYPHsk/TFm01I16GsI/AAAAAAAAAX4/bj2jm035dSs/s1600/MIB_homunculus3.jpg[/img]

That's an interesting point [b] [b]@Starbeast[/b] in the original design by Giger: [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLJm9IHkZk/TBHSuaDhT2I/AAAAAAAAAgI/izfs3IPcY08/s1600/AlienSpaceJockey2.jpg[/img] They Jockey actually sports what appears to be a helmet (thin layer of glass) similar to the crew of the Prometheus.

Hi Guys new here although ive been looking since October Thought id add my thoughts on this one, if it is indeed Shaw in the suit and gives birth to the alien then how come the SJ in Alien was so big? No I think th original SJ was organic and not a suit. I think I agree with the rest of you tho June can't come quick enough the bloody suspence is killing me.

@Mentos, wow I didn't even know that! That would have been so cool. Maybe Ridley will work it back in - perhaps not as glass but as some kind of force field H.U.D.

@Hukerlover, welcome to the party! And yeah point taken, but perhaps the suit - through its biomechanicity - come to fit a wearer of any size. I mean it will grow around the occupant. Remember the loaders from Aliens? but instead it's organic and can grow around the wearer making connection points at the right places in order to operate the suit. It's just a theory of course. EDIT: In fact, now that I've mentioned it twice, I'm gonna start a new thread.

[b]@Starbeast[/b] I think that could be plausible. If the suit is organic, then we might be looking at some sort of lipid layer or something like that? Or we might be taking speculation a little too far there haha. [b]@Hukerlover[/b] You know; I've never actually thought about it like that. Shaw's pregnancy would fit well into into the story very well in that case.

What Dallas said was "Alien lifeform, looks like its been dead a ling time. Fossilized, looks like its grown out of the chair. Bones are bent outward, like it exploded from inside". Sure we might be seeing a suit, but Dallas says "fossilized". If you have ever seen and touched a fossilized bone or piece of wood, there is no mistaking it for organic. If it's a bio-mechanical suit it too can be fossilized. Scott only says its a suit, but not how long it's been there or if something was in the suit too. As guarded as Scott is with this project would it not be in the realm of possibility to think that he is either mis-directing us or leaving out vital information? I do have a theory that will satisfy both possibilities. For the sake of arguement let's say it is a suit with a living being inside (human or SJ?) It is infected by a facehugger (the 1st?) and a chestburster explodes out of it. Upon the hosts death the bio-mechanical suit hardens like stone. As if each suit is synced to one life form. Now we have a fossilized looking suit that did not take thousands of years to get that way.

@Starbeast Thanks for the welcome it's nice to be here I still can't get my head round the petite Shaw becoming that big beastie tho. @mentos maybe thats what we see in that comic con trailer its just before she climbs into the suit to maybe try and save herself with the biomecanicle suit

[b]@Rakkasn[/b] I really like you explanation actually, but I don't think we need to dwell on the [i]fossilised[/i] comment too much. To me as [b]@RickK[/b] pointed out before, I think in the original ALIEN it was designed as more of a creature, and as an afterthought Ridley has developed an affinity towards the suit idea.

@ Rakkasan, like mentos said lets leave the fossilization comments out of this one and try to stay on topic, if you want to dwell on the fossilization look up the thread I started in the Prometheus section called "Space Jockey Was Never Fossilized", I think

The clear dome Mentos pointed out over the SJ's head in Giger's design drawings only adds more evidence that the SJ was - at that time- a totally alien life form. The whole design of the thing leaves more questions than answers though, and that's what makes it such a cool design. Who knows what was going thru Giger's mind when he comes up with this stuff. Who would [i]want[/i] to?!?? LOL!

No we have developed an affinity for the suit idea. Yes Ridley says it's a suit, but he never says whether or not something or someone is inside the suit. He has intentionally mis-lead the press before. And why not dwell on the fossilization comment? Is this blog not about ideas, and trying to answer questions the movies don't answer? You don't find it intriguing that if only a few decades have past between Prometheus and the Nostromo, then why does it look like the SJ (or SJ suit) has aged thousands of years?

All of this is covered in the other thread, which is specifically about that point. [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1105]Heres the link to the thread[/url] This thread is about Head or Skull, the one I linked to above is about fossilization

Could have saved a lot of time linking or mentioning that that earlier.