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shawn
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 3:54 PMI've been wondering just how much original Giger stuff will be touched upon in the coming film. seeing some of the pics from his art collection and comparing it to the movie stills brings me to one conclusion......there are going to be tweaks here and there as far as the coming movies' concerned. I read recently that the cool thing about the SJ's and stuff from the original Alien movie is that there was a bunch of unexplained mystery. with that, Gigers art and such could be left alone, open to the viewers own imagination. Otherwise(as we seem to be going towards) we're gonna attempt to explain the guys unnerving mind and force reasons for his artistic abilities and interpretations. lets face it, Gigers art freaks us out and part of its draw is that we have'nt tried to fit him into any particluar bubble. not that we really can.
I say this because, well, think about it? A super advanced race or group of beings living in blacked out, cave like structures? cant afford light bulbs or some cool light source? these "beings" are keeping xenos as pets or world cleaning tools? Nukes? Disease maybe? my point is, the original movie relied heavily on the art. how exactly(unless we dumb ourselves down) are we expected to believe that advanced beings dont have cooler tech going on? for the record, I totally dig the first couple of movies. however, trying to "squeeze" the hell out of the original story line seems like a reckless move. I can't be the only fan thinking this. I am, in NO way swinging from Ridleys' nuts but rather more concerned that Prometheus does'nt add to the Alien 3,4 AvP list of weak assed films trying to hold onto something sacred in all our eyes. but I'm just sayin.
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Ronster
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 4:09 PMThe achitecture has to be gigeresque to explain the connection in the DNA between Space Jockies and the xeno's... who ever said space jockies had eyes anyway... I mean to see in dark places xenos do not have eyes so why do SJ's they may see in other ways to us say through others for instance is more likley.
I got hang-ups with what the space jockey actually is now... there are engineers and space jockies it would seem or are they one and the same? just one wheres a suit infused with the magic DNA.
I don't think it will be AVP standard alot better than that... Alien resurrection it's possible but I would hope that it is alot more thought provoking thus making it better along with better actors actresses also better.
Kane77
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 4:24 PMI wonder if there will be reasonable explanation for biomechanics development in Prometheus ..
Ronster
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 4:34 PMI think this will be the main subject matter of the movie how we were made and how we are considered to be flawed and our creators want changes.
Kane77
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 4:48 PMI mean it would be kind of a lost chance to not showing how it becomes the form ..
most people know Giger because of his exceptional, highly stylized designs but I dont wanna see it THE SAME as in ´79 ALIEN basically..the SJ room has this designs, too..
Ronster
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 5:18 PMI think you need to look at it more like the xenomorphs are what happens when you mix another parasitic creatures DNA with a space jockey suit and whatever is wearing the suit...
say it's made of 3 organisms the suit / the wearer / the parasite and they all melt into the chair which corrupts the urns of creation creating the eggs or somthing like this...
were the xenomorphs intended... I don't think so they created somthing else for there bio weapons the xenomorphs are like a corrupted version of it alot more primitive perhaps and don't care for their creators now that correlates... I have a feeling it's David wearing the suit or he has a direct art to play in setting up this abomination
CROSSGENETX
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 6:30 PMI think it will be something out of this world. Maybe the original Alien is big or does not even look like xenomorph at all. What I think might be the case is that the derelict ship is the original Alien. This ship can roll and by the looks of the pieces on the ground is prometheus ship or another human vehicle. The derelict ship does not look like it`s crash landing but following the two females. Just looking at the shape and structure gives you an idea it resemble a little alien.
centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMar-04-2012 6:38 PM[i]"I say this because, well, think about it? A super advanced race or group of beings living in blacked out, cave like structures? cant afford light bulbs or some cool light source?"[/i]
Shawn,
IMHO, what distinguishes good SF from naive SF is just that: the degree of "alienness" of the aliens.
Observing the works of evolution on Earth, we learn that parallel evolution happens, but nothing guarantees that alien intelligences must function like human intelligence. Just now, biologists want to confer the status of "non human personhood" to dolphins, on the grounds that although not human, dolphins port some kind of intelligence.
I think the prospect of an advanced intelligence that is deeply non-human, and whose material life and abstract culture is awkwardly different of ours, is much more interesting _ and much more creeping!
takka_takka_takka
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 12:08 AMI always just assumed the "aliens" were part of the standard ship equipment - part of the ship itself. The Jockey's would ingest this parasite that allowed them to interface with the ship. Maybe in its original, untainted form the parasite would even serve as a "backup" for the crewmembers in case of emergencies. The ship crashes, the crew dies or is incapacitated and the parasite goes into retrieval mode. It downloads a copy of the jockey's DNA and current neural map (like a cortical stack), emerges to attempt ship repairs and wait for recovery teams to arrive. Given that recovery times could be epochal in nature it would make sense to have such a failsafe in place so that crews could "sit it out" until the retrieval team could come for them and decant the parasite's memories into a new body. Of course the parasite would be encoded to only play nice when in the presence of jockey DNA and if some unauthorized organism is detected it goes into hyper-aggressive intruder mode to keep the ship safe.
alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 8:13 AMI can recall how giger wanted to indulge in a magnificent landscape made of bones and motor cycle engines etc to express his biomechanoid design in his landscape for the original film but alas there wasn't the money for it.
Xeno Origins
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 9:19 AMMy first post here... I am with those who think the Giger look is important in this film. Just because The SJ's are advanced, does not mean they should have a Mister Coffee and floor lamps. The design represents their culture. Much like the Mayans and Egyptians had a certain look to their architecture. Just my thoughts...
Pulserifle
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 9:22 AMDon't mean to go off the point a bit but just seen a comment at the end of your thread and thought i would comment. Its regarding your thoughts that "AVP was a weak ass film" while yeah it had its faults it was by no means weak, you really need to look at the money they put into them. Avp and 2 apparently had a $60 million and $40 million budget respectively which is pocket change in the movie world so instantly this ruled an epic space film and limits what they can do. Compare this then to Prometheus which is somewhere around the $150 - 200 million mark and I bet you will see a big difference.
While avp made good returns on their investments i really think if someone wanted them to succeed they would of backed them properly and not butchered the franchise. At the end of the day we usually get what we pay for and luckily we got something a little better albeit not something that these 2 greats deserve.
alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 9:28 AMi heard although i'm not 100% sure but district 9 was made for a mere 30 million i watched that the same night i saw avatar and i know what film stayed with me after i went to bed that evening lol.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 9:32 AM[quote]Member
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My first post here... I am with those who think the Giger look is important in this film. Just because The SJ's are advanced, does not mean they should have a Mister Coffee and floor lamps. The design represents their culture. Much like the Mayans and Egyptians had a certain look to their architecture. Just my thoughts...[/quote]
Welcome Xeno origins. I agree as well.
alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 9:38 AMIts going to be interesting how many forum members love prometheus, those that think its ok, and those that dont like it,I am really looking forward to the after event discussions and deliberations should keep us all occupied for some time after the release as well.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 9:44 AM[quote]alteredstate.
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Its going to be interesting how many forum members love prometheus, those that think its ok, and those that dont like it,I am really looking forward to the after event discussions and deliberations should keep us all occupied for some time after the release as well.[/quote]
I agree "AS" been saying it for about 3 months now...Hope FRNATZ doesn't give away too much of it as well 1 week before the rest of us see it lol....he'll be holdin' all the cards for a few days there...hahahaha
Pulserifle
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 11:58 AMLast year i ear marked this and battleship for the two i wanted to see most. Prometheus being my main interest, i don't think a day has passed with me trying to get some new info on the film. Its that common now even my wife makes some silly comment about it now :)
I know its hard to keep the excitement down encase it ruins the movie but i so can't wait for it.
shawn
MemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 4:42 PMthanks for all the input guys/gals. not trying to incite a riot, just put some thoughts out there. I guess, in a gigantic nutshell, what I was trying to say is that I hope that the film truly delivers. And yes, AvP was a severley "weak assed" film. Money spent aside, the different genres should have never been cross-bred. I think the idea of "just cause you can, doesnt mean you should" comes to mind. Finally....I love you all, now please "move your selector switch from safe to semi and scan your sector".
Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMar-05-2012 5:05 PMAw man. No riot? *puts away pitch fork and torches and pouts*
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Kane77
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 4:09 AMIf you go as a die hard fan you probably would judge ALIEN the only ´true´one.
ok. Propbably Prometheus, too. It´s only your opinion as there are millions of personal opinions.
Dont forget that ANY multi million dollar hollywood product comes through many different production stages, as every movie is based on division of labor.
AvP has its own vision, some Alien fans thought its just a sell out, but compare it to maybe any Star Treck film, for me its still more interesting. It has a certain ´ancient astronaut´ content, as star gate, which connects it with P.
Pulserifle
MemberOvomorphMar-06-2012 7:00 AMEveryone is entitled to their own view shawn but expecting a $40 million film to not only be a master piece then comparing it to other high budget films is a little naive 2bh.
The AvP concept was a great idea but sadly never got the right backing. Ofc die hard fans on both sides prefer their own alien and really don't like to see it diluted or defeated by its rival come to think of it but really any true loving sci fi fan wanted these films to work out.
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