It has to be LV-426....and that ship is the derelict...

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Rojxb.jpg[/img] This photo screaming to me both Space Jockey and Derelict are different thing.

Davis: Thank you! Yes they are different things because THE PALNET IN Prometheus IS NOT LV426!! The SJ is a "space suit" that fits whoever is piloting the craft. In Prometheus it is obviously a human who has been mutated into an "Engineer"/SJ. (From the trailer, my guess is Holloway.) In ALIEN it was an unknown entity, far larger.

I think you all missing a key point. The Weyland Industries website timeline states: Weyland astronomers discover multiple moons and a ringed planet just outside the Zeta 2 Reticula System, which are possibly able to support life. Weyland expects to travel there within the century. Multiple moons and a planet... surly LV-426 could be one of these moons. Prometheus takes place on the actual planet and the derelict we see in Alien eventually crashes on one of the moons? Or the other way round if LV-426 is a planet. Do they discuss whether LV-426 is a moon or a planet in Alien, I can't remember! Either way this scenario makes sense, especially due to the Weyland Industries site going to the effort of saying 'multiple moons and a planet'...

Well, either way.. some will be right when the movie comes out and some will be wrong! Even if it isn't LV426 (and I pretty certain it is) I think we can agree ITS THE SAME SOLAR SYSTEM? (Zeta 2 Reticuli!!) So, we KNOW the Prometheus rams the alien craft (let's call it the Derelict - same one in Alien) and it CRASHES! So, then if this Isn't LV426... does the Derelict fly somewhere else, (highly bloody unlikely considering it got RAMMED AND CRASHES!! Or are there TWO Derelicts in system! WTF!! So Davis... as for the SJ not looking the same. For one, the movies are 33 years apart. Movie prop production has come a bit of a way since 1979. The SJ in Prometheus is alive in year 2073 (give or take a few years for voyage time) The one is Alien is clearly dead in year 2122. So are you telling me they should look identical.. 49 years apart in movie time and 33 yrs in RL with the presence of a substance/alien life form on the ship that CAN MUTATE LIFE?! WTF!

A agree, LV-426 will feature in the film, we just don't how yet. There could easily be more than one SJ ship too. The first crashes on the planet, the second on LV-426. And Ridley has said he wants to do a sequel to Prometheus so this could be when the second ship crashes on to LV-426. This film may not lead straight into Alien if he wants a sequel.. I still think the fact that the Weyland website states a 'planet and several moons' has significance to the film. Either way, I can't bloody wait :)

I think to assume the derelict is the same one, on the same moon, reduces the "reach" of the SJ race considerably. With all the different "forms" we've seen between the two movies so far, and all the urns, and all the technology the SJs wield, then reducing their location to one moon and one ship seems weak. The huge sections of ground opening to release the SJ ship, and the sheer size of the ship and caves and temples indicates a RACE of beings at work. All of these things had to be built, and two blue dudes could not have done it alone. I know some things change in designs from 1979 until now, but the pictures above CLEARLY show two different chairs, and two different creatures. I have doubts, or at least hopes that RS and company would not miss such huge details as that. One way or another, we should all know soon. 77 days and counting.

Gonna go with no, since the timeline clearly states the discovery of LV426 and the coordinates for the Prometheus Project were 50 years apart. People who think the jockies can't have more than one ship....I mean, that's just stoopid. This is not an Alien prequel.

I love all things Alien, just not to the point that it blinds me from seeing how cool this NEW story will be. Anyone else see all the egg looking things on the console where the green orb is? Also on the chair, in front of the jockies face.

If you decided to make a movie and most of it was it's own story but a surprise plot twist at the end continued the story of one of your previous movies. Wouldn't it make sense to mislead people against thinking it a prequel?

Good point. I think i'll be cool either way. Just seems like a lot of stuff has to be explained for that to happen.

I don't buy "artistic license" or "effects have come a long way in 30 years" or "the alien goo changed the ship" for a moment.....no way, no how. Why would he make that much more exposition necessary to explain such discrepancies, when perfectly replicating the chair, etc. would have been so simple? Did the alien goo cause the statis chambers ( or whatever ) around the chair to completely disappear? Seriously?

Biomechano:"If you decided to make a movie and most of it was it's own story but a surprise plot twist at the end continued the story of one of your previous movies. Wouldn't it make sense to mislead people against thinking it a prequel?" Yeah, that's it! Ridley Scott is well known for this sort of thing! I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the movie, after the goo in the urns has mutated the planet, the surviving humans, the Prometheus itself, it reaches across the farking galaxy and wipes the memories of everyone and everything, who knows where this farking rock is, so that years later (what's the time line between this movie and "Alien") a farking tug boat stumbles across the place and a computer and an android jump up and say "We found it!!".

You might want to calm down a bit it is just a movie.

Biomechano: You know what, I may just do that. I temporaraly forgot that people enjoy this sort of banter. I myself did it years ago in the old Aliens newsgroup. (shit, it's gotta be nearly twenty years ago!!!!!!!!!!!) My apologies. Speculate away. (I think the company learns what to listen for!)

The SJ ship in Prometheus is NOT the derelict from Alien. The navagator "turntable" platform in Alien is completely different from what we have seen in Prometheus, i.e. no stasis pods or control panels. This moon does not have the same geology as LV-426 either

Well the moon in Alien was 1200km across (computer readout) and had near-earth gravity (0.86) which is also impossible. So it can't be becauce of the geology? LOL So why did Ash have SPECIFIC orders in Alien to "bring back life form" "crew expendable" if HUMANS had NOT come across this planet BEFORE. How do we explain that?

I gotta agree that the planet is LV426 and the ship is the derelict. I admit am wrong in my original theory of the SJ being Weyland. but I think there has to be a connection with the film title and the plot. The trailers indicate that they were wrong about it being an invitation. The impression I get is after finding the urns, releasing their contents sets out a chain of events that result in the SJ piloting the alien ship back to earth to destroy mankind. I wonder how the SJ ends up with the hole in it's chest from what must be a alien burst out of it.

To the different SJ looks: This is good picture DAVIS, thank You. I will try to formulate some assumptions and ideas, feel free to invalidate these: The Alien boneship and Prometheus boneship are different, but they are similar in shape and size. The chair has the same size and is the same type and purpose in Alien and in Prometheus. Ridley included all these chair details. The SJ sitting in a chair has not the same size and has different proportions. The Prometheus SJ is smaller and has human like proportions. The Alien boneship or at least the SJ and chair looks fosilized, it could mean it's lot older, or not so well conserved as Prometheus boneship. This makes me think the bone ships are "grown" or constructed in below the Temple ground on the Prometheus planet. And the Prometheus boneship is "fresh". And while I want the LV426 to be the same planet as we see in Prometheus it will be a lot more interesting if these will be different planetoids in the Zeta Reticuli system.

After watching the directors cut of Alien last night, I'm almost convinced that LV-223 is in fact LV-426 Here's why. When the Nostromo is seen cruising into the system, there is one large planet with rings and some moons (one of which is LV-426). Then we see when the Prometheus is approaching LV-223 that there is a large ringed planet that it and other moons are orbiting. Also when the crew is trying to find out where they are after waking up from hypersleep, Lambert states "we're just short of Zeta 2 Reticuli" ....... isn't that where LV-223 is supposed to be? Now I know that this has been argued on the forum before but here's my hypothesis as to what happens. At the end of Prometheus, one of the SJ/Engineers/infected crew sets forth in motion the terraforming sequence on LV-223 changing it into a volcanic waste land to try and destroy all evidence of the engineers/sj/Prometheus. Meanwhile Weyland Industries covers up all info regarding the mission/planet etc even going as far as renaming LV-223 to LV-426. 30 years or so later, knowing what is really on LV-426 (223) they get the Nostromo to investigate the "signal", knowing full well what they would find. And to add, perhaps we've been mislead to think that the scene with the blue guy at the waterfall and the Engineer ship hovering above is the beginning sequence. Maybe it's the end scene where the Engineers are terraforming LV-223 to try and erase all evidence of themselves and the Prometheus.....thus turning it into what we know as LV-426 As for the signal, perhaps the SJ in the crashed ship had activated it to communicate to the engineers to come and clean up the mess but the terraforming didn't do its job completely, leaving the derelict ship intact and its signal going. Also perhaps the terraforming also changed the cargo's dna turning it into the egg sacs we see in Alien when Kane goes into the hold as well as the SJ in the pilot seat making him larger than the ones seen in Prometheus. That's my 2 cents anyways but I guess we'll all know for sure in a few weeks.

@LV426JGFPM - to be fair, Aliens takes place something like 90 years after Prometheus, so I have no doubt they were able to improve upon spaceflight technology. Also @zzord... if by some bizarre chance LV426 was superdense, it is theoretically possible that it might have a gravitational field similar to Earth's, but it would have to be some [i]insanely[/i] dense material like osmium, or something even denser. I know that I recently read about the discovery of a whole planet denser than lead, so it's not completely impossible. Remember, a superdense object like a black hole has gravity so strong that not even light can escape it.