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It has to be LV-426....and that ship is the derelict...

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LV426JGFPM

MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 12:47 AM
Here is my thoughts on why the planet they are on is LV-426/Acheron. The planetoid has a molten lava base, when it was visited by the nostromo. So who is to say that the planet in the time after the events of the Prometheus mission didn't under go severe geographic change? Perhaps certain events during the Prometheus mission caused those changes to happen. Maybe a self destruct sequence was activated to destroy where the derelict was stationed? Causing the faults in the area to have massive quakes, thus having the molten lava come to the surface making the land we see in Alien and Aliens? Constant eruptions on the planet and or in that area could cause what we see in Alien. The eruptions would deplete the atmosphere to the point it wouldn't be breathable to humans. As for some people saying that the ship trying to escape is NOT the derelict, doesn't make sense. I would see no viable reason for Ridley Scott to move away from the story of the derelict and LV-426. Those two things together would just mess up future events. Why would some people even want the movie to be on a different planet? I have always wanted to know more about the derelict and LV-426, that for me was one of the main reasons I watched the movies. Those two things themselves are what keeps bringing me back. Of course the space jockey, that is a no brainer. Well thanks for reading the rant.
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artyoh

MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 10:08 AM
I don't buy "artistic license" or "effects have come a long way in 30 years" or "the alien goo changed the ship" for a moment.....no way, no how. Why would he make that much more exposition necessary to explain such discrepancies, when perfectly replicating the chair, etc. would have been so simple? Did the alien goo cause the statis chambers ( or whatever ) around the chair to completely disappear? Seriously?

TheSNARK

MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 10:30 AM
Biomechano:"If you decided to make a movie and most of it was it's own story but a surprise plot twist at the end continued the story of one of your previous movies. Wouldn't it make sense to mislead people against thinking it a prequel?" Yeah, that's it! Ridley Scott is well known for this sort of thing! I wouldn't be surprised if at the end of the movie, after the goo in the urns has mutated the planet, the surviving humans, the Prometheus itself, it reaches across the farking galaxy and wipes the memories of everyone and everything, who knows where this farking rock is, so that years later (what's the time line between this movie and "Alien") a farking tug boat stumbles across the place and a computer and an android jump up and say "We found it!!".

Biomechanic

MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 10:33 AM
You might want to calm down a bit it is just a movie.

TheSNARK

MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 10:41 AM
Biomechano: You know what, I may just do that. I temporaraly forgot that people enjoy this sort of banter. I myself did it years ago in the old Aliens newsgroup. (shit, it's gotta be nearly twenty years ago!!!!!!!!!!!) My apologies. Speculate away. (I think the company learns what to listen for!)

Paul Van Leuwen

MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 11:08 AM
The SJ ship in Prometheus is NOT the derelict from Alien. The navagator "turntable" platform in Alien is completely different from what we have seen in Prometheus, i.e. no stasis pods or control panels. This moon does not have the same geology as LV-426 either

zzodr

MemberOvomorphMar-23-2012 6:39 PM
Well the moon in Alien was 1200km across (computer readout) and had near-earth gravity (0.86) which is also impossible. So it can't be becauce of the geology? LOL So why did Ash have SPECIFIC orders in Alien to "bring back life form" "crew expendable" if HUMANS had NOT come across this planet BEFORE. How do we explain that?

arcaneradio

MemberOvomorphMar-24-2012 7:53 PM
I gotta agree that the planet is LV426 and the ship is the derelict. I admit am wrong in my original theory of the SJ being Weyland. but I think there has to be a connection with the film title and the plot. The trailers indicate that they were wrong about it being an invitation. The impression I get is after finding the urns, releasing their contents sets out a chain of events that result in the SJ piloting the alien ship back to earth to destroy mankind. I wonder how the SJ ends up with the hole in it's chest from what must be a alien burst out of it.

Guest

MemberOvomorphMar-24-2012 9:19 PM
To the different SJ looks: This is good picture DAVIS, thank You. I will try to formulate some assumptions and ideas, feel free to invalidate these: The Alien boneship and Prometheus boneship are different, but they are similar in shape and size. The chair has the same size and is the same type and purpose in Alien and in Prometheus. Ridley included all these chair details. The SJ sitting in a chair has not the same size and has different proportions. The Prometheus SJ is smaller and has human like proportions. The Alien boneship or at least the SJ and chair looks fosilized, it could mean it's lot older, or not so well conserved as Prometheus boneship. This makes me think the bone ships are "grown" or constructed in below the Temple ground on the Prometheus planet. And the Prometheus boneship is "fresh". And while I want the LV426 to be the same planet as we see in Prometheus it will be a lot more interesting if these will be different planetoids in the Zeta Reticuli system.

Chairman Meows

MemberOvomorphMay-26-2012 12:31 PM
After watching the directors cut of Alien last night, I'm almost convinced that LV-223 is in fact LV-426 Here's why. When the Nostromo is seen cruising into the system, there is one large planet with rings and some moons (one of which is LV-426). Then we see when the Prometheus is approaching LV-223 that there is a large ringed planet that it and other moons are orbiting. Also when the crew is trying to find out where they are after waking up from hypersleep, Lambert states "we're just short of Zeta 2 Reticuli" ....... isn't that where LV-223 is supposed to be? Now I know that this has been argued on the forum before but here's my hypothesis as to what happens. At the end of Prometheus, one of the SJ/Engineers/infected crew sets forth in motion the terraforming sequence on LV-223 changing it into a volcanic waste land to try and destroy all evidence of the engineers/sj/Prometheus. Meanwhile Weyland Industries covers up all info regarding the mission/planet etc even going as far as renaming LV-223 to LV-426. 30 years or so later, knowing what is really on LV-426 (223) they get the Nostromo to investigate the "signal", knowing full well what they would find. And to add, perhaps we've been mislead to think that the scene with the blue guy at the waterfall and the Engineer ship hovering above is the beginning sequence. Maybe it's the end scene where the Engineers are terraforming LV-223 to try and erase all evidence of themselves and the Prometheus.....thus turning it into what we know as LV-426 As for the signal, perhaps the SJ in the crashed ship had activated it to communicate to the engineers to come and clean up the mess but the terraforming didn't do its job completely, leaving the derelict ship intact and its signal going. Also perhaps the terraforming also changed the cargo's dna turning it into the egg sacs we see in Alien when Kane goes into the hold as well as the SJ in the pilot seat making him larger than the ones seen in Prometheus. That's my 2 cents anyways but I guess we'll all know for sure in a few weeks.

John D.

MemberOvomorphMay-26-2012 12:37 PM
@LV426JGFPM - to be fair, Aliens takes place something like 90 years after Prometheus, so I have no doubt they were able to improve upon spaceflight technology. Also @zzord... if by some bizarre chance LV426 was superdense, it is theoretically possible that it might have a gravitational field similar to Earth's, but it would have to be some [i]insanely[/i] dense material like osmium, or something even denser. I know that I recently read about the discovery of a whole planet denser than lead, so it's not completely impossible. Remember, a superdense object like a black hole has gravity so strong that not even light can escape it.

RocknRollGhost

MemberOvomorphJun-02-2012 9:00 PM
I won't ruin anything, but I saw a critics screening of Prometheus on Thursday and I believe that there are two different planets with different ships. What took me to this page was thinking that LV-223 was not the planet referenced in the Alien films. And it's impossible to do this I'm sure for any fan of Ridley Scott's and the material, but go in as cold as possible and expecting nothing. I loved the film, but I overhyped it to myself over the time since it was announced. Nothing could live up to the hopes I built up. But it is pretty damn great no matter what.

JonTiffany1

MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 1:17 AM
It's nice to see that we all agree that the origin of the Xenomorphs is less important than the connection between LV-223 and LV-426. They were genetically engineered monsters, much like humans and the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park. Back to the topic at hand though, maybe LV-426 is just one of many random planetoids that the Engineers raced to in attempt to get their biological weapon away from their homeworld. Except in the case of the derelict spacecraft, it could not cope with the harsh conditions on LV-426, causing the canisters to prematurely rupture, and the creation of the hundreds of eggs, without any necessity of a queen. And it just so happened that the Space Jockey onboard got infected. This theory does not support the absence of the supposed chestburster/xenomorph in Alien. Nice try though, right?
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