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Xenomorph King
MemberOvomorphMar-25-2012 4:48 PMHi, guys and girls. I’m new here, so be please go easy on me. LOL.
I don’t know if a topic like this has been posted before, or whether there’s been any sort of discussion about this, but, as a gay [i]Alien[/i] fan (a rare breed?), I’d like to know how you’d feel about same-sex relationships (romantic or strictly sexual) in [i]Prometheus[/i] or any future [i]Alien[/i]-related movie. The reason why I ask this is because I was listening to the [i]Alien[/i] audio commentary ([i]Alien Quadrilogy[/i] edition) the other day, and about the 1:15:36 mark Ridley Scott begins to (surprisingly enough) talk about casual relationships of both a hetero- and homosexual nature in space.
I include here my transcription of this particular bit of the audio commentary.
Ridley Scott: “I thought, Why not? Relationships would be discouraged. You know, the idea of casual sex would be normal – for obvious reasons. ’Cause if you’ve got seven on board, someone’s gonna get left out. Right? And so, casual relationships – whether it’s male or female, male with male, female with female – seems to be okay in space when you’re locked away in a big tin can for years on end. Could be years, plus hypersleep. So it might feel like a year. You might be away ten years. So I tried to instigate that, and there was a suggestion of that with Dallas and with Veronica. An idea of, ‘Should we infer something here? Should we have an inference of, you know, a lesbian, a gay relationship or not?’ It would have been kind of interesting. Today I’d probably do that, just to thicken up the layers in the characters.”
Now, I’m not saying that Ridley will go as far as to do something like this with such a massively expensive, high-profile film project as [i]Prometheus[/i] (or, rather, that the film studio would permit such a thing), but again, as a gay fan, I’d dearly like to see some variation in a genre that consists of mainly heterosexual relationships. I mean, not everyone is heterosexual, right?
So, would you be alienated (excuse the pun) by even the “inference” of a same-sex casual or romantic relationship in a film like [i]Prometheus[/i]?
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craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 9:40 AM@Heustess...we can get into endless debates about whether evolution is "fact" or not and though the theory has massive gaps in the fossil record, I don't discount its plausibility, but in either case....the theory of evolution and the existence of God are not mutually exclusive...to assume so is very short sighted and presumptive...........anyway, that's not the point of this thread and I would just like to say myself, as a Christian, I bear no ill will towards homosexuals or anyone else for that matter....that's kind of the point of my faith...to love everyone...........let he who is without sin cast the first stone.......
Juxtapose
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 12:19 PMhey xenomorph king!.....I am also gay and from South Africa....I just wanted to say hi....and i was hoping to hook hook up....I will Pm u my physical address and cell number...u can pick me up after around 8...let's make it friday...your treat...:)
Nah I am joking ...ofcause...but welcome to the forums....I am sure u can tell that at least u in a nice adult non homophobic environment....been coming here for a while and I find most people rather tolerant...I don't flaunt my preferences...but I have mentioned it on a few threads and i am rather surprised how well it's gone down...
Anyway....glad to see we not alone....!
Juxtapose
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 12:41 PM@ Xenomorph king
or shoud i rather say...
"ek is baie bly om te sien ek is nie die enigste skewe bliksem van suid afrika wat hier kom nie...:)..."...just me and u and Charlize is gonna understand that MSG!..;)
FoulOleRon
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 3:22 PMI cant remember if it was in the movie or the novelisation of alien, but didnt ripley and lambert have a short conversation on whether they'd slept with ash. I always got the impression of casual sex between crew, although I never considered samesex couplings. Sheltered upbringing I guess. But a 2:5 ratio of women to men on board would imply it was fairly common. Also the crew bios behind ripley at the debriefing in aliens states the sex for each member as 'natural', implying gender change being more commonplace in the future too.
brego
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 4:04 PMHeustess I dont get your point.... Perhaps I should have state "Most fundementalist, religeous people" not all.
Of course I believe Evolution is a fact, the universe to me is god, the universe created everything, all matter, antimatter and other stuff we are yet to find out about and life evolved and will keep evolving. All this without a God clicking his fingers a few thousand years ago to create Earth for us.
Gigeresque
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 4:44 PMHey guys and gals. I'm from Texas in the US and have been a fan for 18 years...since I was about 14. I'm gay and would love to see gay characters just for plot and character depth alone. I think if done it should be a casual fact and just used to build on the human relationships Ridley's movies have. It make us all think mor to have more diversity. Look what he did for women with Ripley. She was groundbreaking. She just happened to be female and a survivor. Gays are survivors. We are stereotyped like anyone else and that's fine. Having a non stereotypical female lead that really wasn't pushed in your face as something different and groundbreaking was inevitably...groundbreaking. "Hey she's a woman...and a survivor...and it wasn't shoved down our throats. Wow...that exists.". Thanks for being so open minded about homosexuals guys.
Xenomorph King
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 6:14 PM@ Juxtapose
LOL! Goodness gracious, it's [i]rerig lekker[/i] to meet another gay fan from South Africa! It seems I'm not such a "rare breed" as I originally thought. Damn. LOL.
I'm pleasantly surprised by the overall open-mindedness showcased by the replies to this forum. Very mature responses. And everyone is so respectful of each other! Whoa, I'm not used to this. LOL.
[i]En, ja nee[/i], I'm glad our girl Charlize is in this film. She might speak with an American accent now and live in the U.S., but she'll always be a South African [i]meisie[/i]. Represent, girl!
Again, fantastic to meet you, Juxtapose. I plan to make myself a borderline annoyance 'round here, so maybe we'll see a little more of each other.
Xenomorph King
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 6:27 PM@ FoulOleRon
Oh yes! That scene between Ripley and Lambert was one of the deleted scenes. I don't think it was in the novelization, though. (I read it for the first time a few weeks ago.) Thanks for mentioning it. Yes, that definitely established the possibility of casual relationships on the Nostromo. And I also remember that the word "natural" was included in parentheses alongside each person's sex in the Nostromo crew dossiers included as an Easter egg on the 1999 DVD edition of [i]Alien[/i] (the 20th Anniversary edition?). Interesting. Again, thanks for bringing this up.
Xenomorph King
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 6:33 PM@ Gigeresque
You make a very good point about stereotypes. I think lot of people will be surprised to know that MANY homosexuals are completely "straight-acting". Effeminate gays/masculine lesbians in film and television are [i]so[/i] last century.
Anyway, I'm glad to see another gay voice added to the conversation.
alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphMar-26-2012 6:47 PMi personally dont mind the sexuality of the crew members or if it is shown it just adds to the texture of the characters and wont be something i think that will be lingered on for long but if it is thats fine .
I live in a city that's defined as the gay capital of europe and its fine i take people on their personality and what they are like as people sexuality doesn't even enter the mind when meeting new people unless im specifically asked and i tell them i'm straight and thats it. I never have prejudice against it because you can alienate some damn fine people just because of a silly thing as sexuality .
Heustess
MemberOvomorphMar-27-2012 9:38 AMI said; ''Brego since When is Evolution a Position? It's A FACT!
And don't believe that the Creationist movement is some sort of retard, obscure and medieval cult:
Look up Zizek's veiws on this or look at 5;23 to 7:90 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpgRHm7BOMQ''
And you craigamore and Brego conclude that I believe that God and science cannot Coexist within a person?
What about Mendel and his Laws, father of all genetic studies? Was he not a monk?
I talked about today's rise religious fundamentalism as a modern phenomenon which was not led by primitive cavemen, but people you can met up with any time. I NEVER denounced religion as a whole.
After all brego you said : "Re Christianity, I couldnt care less what they think because Im an Evolutionist. Christians, and for that matter people of most faiths have some very strange, archaic ideas that simply dont seems to go away. Its funny that we live in so called modern times and yet there are still people (sorry America) who think the Earth is only a few thousand years old. Come to think of it, prometheus is gonna piss a lot of these people off, nothing to do with sexual orientation, more to do with Creationism."
To this I disagree. I believe that today's Christians are up to date with current affairs, fundamentalists or not.
And the example I gave was that of a guy who denounces both Richard Dawkins and his "vulgar atheism" and religious fundamentalists who believe in intelligent design...
Also Brego your answer is ambiguous, did you understand that I believed that all religious people were against evolution, or that not all fundamentalists were against it.
In any case Fundamentalism is the demand for a strict adherence to specific theological doctrine and a literal interpretation of the scared texts. So yes, if you consider your self a fundamentalist[b] in this sense[/b], in any case then you are against evolution.
genjitsu17
MemberOvomorphMar-27-2012 9:49 AMTimes are changing, even now. I have no doubt that by the time we can colonize space, we will be accepted as normal. I live in Georgia, butt hole of the south, and I can see it happening now. People can't afford to keep this inequality going. I enjoy peoples' differences. It makes life more interesting. Thank you to everyone for showing that this forum can be a mature, understanding place!! (Even if we don't agree on how this movie will go.) LOL
I may work for the company, but im really an OK guy.
Gehirn
MemberOvomorphMar-27-2012 2:12 PM[quote]What about Mendel and his Laws, father of all genetic studies? Was he not a monk?[/quote]
There are plenty of Gaia worshippers too fighting in the name of "science"!
Xenomorph King
MemberOvomorphMar-27-2012 5:30 PMWow. I'm amazed at the overall response to this topic. Glad that you other gay fans don't feel so alone anymore. LOL.
A heartfelt thank you to everyone who's taken the time to reply to this topic. Your thoughts and opinions are very much appreciated.
And hey, hopefully I can contribute more interesting topics in the future. *crosses fingers*
Lord Ennio
MemberOvomorphMar-27-2012 6:24 PMIn my humble opinion, to put an issue such as this one front and center(in a film such as this one), would be alienating certain characters, and thus taking away from what they have to offer overall. The idea would be to focus on their skills as crew members first, and everything else second. I remember reading an article online by J.J. Abrams about the same issue. He basically said that it would be a cool idea to have a gay character in a Star Trek film, but as with Ridley Scott's response, the idea is not to put them center stage, as one of you here put it, but "to contextualize it."
brego
MemberOvomorphApr-01-2012 4:35 PMIts not gonna happen guys. Im sure there wont be any heavy relationship matter in the film and if there is.... well have to wait and see.
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