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Xenomorph King

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Hi, guys and girls. I’m new here, so be please go easy on me. LOL. I don’t know if a topic like this has been posted before, or whether there’s been any sort of discussion about this, but, as a gay [i]Alien[/i] fan (a rare breed?), I’d like to know how you’d feel about same-sex relationships (romantic or strictly sexual) in [i]Prometheus[/i] or any future [i]Alien[/i]-related movie. The reason why I ask this is because I was listening to the [i]Alien[/i] audio commentary ([i]Alien Quadrilogy[/i] edition) the other day, and about the 1:15:36 mark Ridley Scott begins to (surprisingly enough) talk about casual relationships of both a hetero- and homosexual nature in space. I include here my transcription of this particular bit of the audio commentary. Ridley Scott: “I thought, Why not? Relationships would be discouraged. You know, the idea of casual sex would be normal – for obvious reasons. ’Cause if you’ve got seven on board, someone’s gonna get left out. Right? And so, casual relationships – whether it’s male or female, male with male, female with female – seems to be okay in space when you’re locked away in a big tin can for years on end. Could be years, plus hypersleep. So it might feel like a year. You might be away ten years. So I tried to instigate that, and there was a suggestion of that with Dallas and with Veronica. An idea of, ‘Should we infer something here? Should we have an inference of, you know, a lesbian, a gay relationship or not?’ It would have been kind of interesting. Today I’d probably do that, just to thicken up the layers in the characters.” Now, I’m not saying that Ridley will go as far as to do something like this with such a massively expensive, high-profile film project as [i]Prometheus[/i] (or, rather, that the film studio would permit such a thing), but again, as a gay fan, I’d dearly like to see some variation in a genre that consists of mainly heterosexual relationships. I mean, not everyone is heterosexual, right? So, would you be alienated (excuse the pun) by even the “inference” of a same-sex casual or romantic relationship in a film like [i]Prometheus[/i]?
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Because, Alien Drone, most of the characters in these movies are humans, and sexual orientation is an integral component of human behavior. In my opinion, any character devoid of even a suggestion of sexuality would come across as being rather flat. To try to omit it (and make everyone asexual) just to please the masses would be, again in my opinion, silly and cowardly. To repeat, as Ridley Scott said, all of that was just "to thicken up the layers in the characters". Be inclusive, I say.
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I have to disagree with the unlikely part, Myrddin365. I believe that there are many more homosexual (and let's not forget bisexual) people than is immediately apparent. I might even go as far as to say that most homosexuals are closeted. It therefore doesn't seem so unlikely to me that at least one homosexual or bisexual would be among the crew of the Nostromo or Prometheus. Heck, the Colonial Marines are probably crawling with homos. LOL.
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Speaking as another Gay Sci-Fi fan (Wow! There certainly seems to be a few of us here)... I worry about how a Gay character(s) may be portrayed. Hollywood has a very nasty habit of stereotyping us in the cinema. If there ARE Gay crew members, I hope it's one of the Mercs... tough and bad-ass enough to break this stereotypical mould.
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He isn´t as popular as some decades ago, but Arthur C Clarke books, mainly the later ones, depicted homosexuality. In fact he believed that homosexuality was a universal characteristic, only present in higher or lesser degree. There is not much secret that he was an homosexual himself, but his archives will only be published after 2038 (thirty years after his death). Generally speaking, sexual relationships can mess up some environments. That´s why "sex" is a taboo concept in the manned american space program. I think "Alien" was pretty much assexual. Maybe because there wasn´t explicit "sexual roles"; the movie conveys a strong sense of sex egualitarianism. "Sex" was only allowed in the human-alien relationships: fast, wild and lethal.
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He isn´t as popular as some decades ago, but Arthur C Clarke books, mainly the later ones, depicted homosexuality. In fact he believed that homosexuality was a universal characteristic, only present in higher or lesser degree. There is not much secret that he was an homosexual himself, but his archives will only be published after 2038 (thirty years after his death). Generally speaking, sexual relationships can mess up some environments. That´s why "sex" is a taboo concept in the manned american space program. I think "Alien" was pretty much assexual. Maybe because there wasn´t explicit "sexual roles"; the movie conveys a strong sense of sex egualitarianism. "Sex" was only allowed in the human-alien relationships: fast, wild and lethal.
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I'm just an old fashioned hetero I guess and as such I do not understand or find anything interesting about the gay lifestyle - to each his own though, as long as you don't wave it in my face. The only gay people that irritate me are the ones who flaunt it for no other reason than they know it makes people uncomfortable - and that's not a behavior that's necessarily limitited to the gay community - just look at all the idiots walking around with baggy pants hanging down to their knees - you think they do that because walking around like a penguin so your pants dont' completely fall off is more comfortable? . My wife has a gay friend - he's a nice enough fella. He knows I am straight. We respect each other, he doesn't try and defend his way of life and I don't try and tell him he is wrong. All that said, I hope like hell they don't put any gay stuff in the movie, I really don't see what purpose it would serve.
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"I'd think that, in the US or Europe, the kind of person who'd seriously object to a gay relationship being depicted would probably not be the sort of person who'd be a fan of movies like the Alien series in the first place. It might be more of a problem in some other markets like the Middle East or Chinese-speaking countries, though." Well LGBT movies are not the only ones : Any movies pertaining to time travel, such as Back to the Future, are now banned in China. This one has a cultural logic to it though. The ban against time travel is based on the immense respect that Chinese culture has to its ancestors. The Chinese believe that a work of fiction that depicts the ancestors will be necessarily different from what actually happened, which is considered extremely disrespectful.
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Since when is Evolutionism a position? It's not an opinion it's a FACT. Now if you claim to be an Atheist then... that's something else entirely. Do you honestly believe that what a bunch of fundamentalist creationists claim to be fundamental, is common to all Christians? I mean did you know that not all Christians are Creationists? Most Christians don't even take the Book literally: Look up Saint Augustine [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Hippo]Saint Augustine[/url]. And just to nail the argument down, according to the Atheist Slavoj Zizek it is also possible for Christians, Atheists... to make fun at a guy called Jesus who was literally the son of God without hurting the cult, precisely for ideological reasons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL6mqIrRnJs&feature=like-suggest
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"Re Christianity, I couldnt care less what they think because Im an Evolutionist. Christians, and for that matter people of most faiths have some very strange, archaic ideas that simply dont seems to go away. Its funny that we live in so called modern times and yet there are still people (sorry America) who think the Earth is only a few thousand years old.Come to think of it, prometheus is gonna piss a lot of these people off, nothing to do with sexual orientation, more to do with Creationism." Brego since When is Evolution a Position? It's A FACT! And don't believe that the Creationist movement is some sort of retard, obscure and medieval cult: Look up Zizek's veiws on this or look at 5;23 to 7:90 of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpgRHm7BOMQ
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I remember reading at one time or another, that in ALIEN, there were several possible relationships that Scott considered implying. Whether they were ever scripted, merely discussed or improvised as additional takes or , Dallas : Ripley (depicted in the shuttle, as Kane's body bumps into the window) Dallas : Lambert (implied only, Cartwright mentions this during ALIEN commentary) Lambert : Ripley (too far from mainstream in 1979 for a main character?) Nowadays, implying (even if not depicting) a gay relationship might not need to make THAT big an impression on ANYONE if handled maturely. BTW, there were several other, shall we say, less than traditional sexual relationships depicted in Trek and its spinoffs, particulary DS9. As with so many other "forbidden" topics( war, politics, religion) placing them in a sci-fi context allows them to be explored more indirectly.
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@Heustess...we can get into endless debates about whether evolution is "fact" or not and though the theory has massive gaps in the fossil record, I don't discount its plausibility, but in either case....the theory of evolution and the existence of God are not mutually exclusive...to assume so is very short sighted and presumptive...........anyway, that's not the point of this thread and I would just like to say myself, as a Christian, I bear no ill will towards homosexuals or anyone else for that matter....that's kind of the point of my faith...to love everyone...........let he who is without sin cast the first stone.......
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hey xenomorph king!.....I am also gay and from South Africa....I just wanted to say hi....and i was hoping to hook hook up....I will Pm u my physical address and cell number...u can pick me up after around 8...let's make it friday...your treat...:) Nah I am joking ...ofcause...but welcome to the forums....I am sure u can tell that at least u in a nice adult non homophobic environment....been coming here for a while and I find most people rather tolerant...I don't flaunt my preferences...but I have mentioned it on a few threads and i am rather surprised how well it's gone down... Anyway....glad to see we not alone....!
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@ Xenomorph king or shoud i rather say... "ek is baie bly om te sien ek is nie die enigste skewe bliksem van suid afrika wat hier kom nie...:)..."...just me and u and Charlize is gonna understand that MSG!..;)
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Double post, sorry
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I cant remember if it was in the movie or the novelisation of alien, but didnt ripley and lambert have a short conversation on whether they'd slept with ash. I always got the impression of casual sex between crew, although I never considered samesex couplings. Sheltered upbringing I guess. But a 2:5 ratio of women to men on board would imply it was fairly common. Also the crew bios behind ripley at the debriefing in aliens states the sex for each member as 'natural', implying gender change being more commonplace in the future too.
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Heustess I dont get your point.... Perhaps I should have state "Most fundementalist, religeous people" not all. Of course I believe Evolution is a fact, the universe to me is god, the universe created everything, all matter, antimatter and other stuff we are yet to find out about and life evolved and will keep evolving. All this without a God clicking his fingers a few thousand years ago to create Earth for us.
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Hey guys and gals. I'm from Texas in the US and have been a fan for 18 years...since I was about 14. I'm gay and would love to see gay characters just for plot and character depth alone. I think if done it should be a casual fact and just used to build on the human relationships Ridley's movies have. It make us all think mor to have more diversity. Look what he did for women with Ripley. She was groundbreaking. She just happened to be female and a survivor. Gays are survivors. We are stereotyped like anyone else and that's fine. Having a non stereotypical female lead that really wasn't pushed in your face as something different and groundbreaking was inevitably...groundbreaking. "Hey she's a woman...and a survivor...and it wasn't shoved down our throats. Wow...that exists.". Thanks for being so open minded about homosexuals guys.
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@ Juxtapose LOL! Goodness gracious, it's [i]rerig lekker[/i] to meet another gay fan from South Africa! It seems I'm not such a "rare breed" as I originally thought. Damn. LOL. I'm pleasantly surprised by the overall open-mindedness showcased by the replies to this forum. Very mature responses. And everyone is so respectful of each other! Whoa, I'm not used to this. LOL. [i]En, ja nee[/i], I'm glad our girl Charlize is in this film. She might speak with an American accent now and live in the U.S., but she'll always be a South African [i]meisie[/i]. Represent, girl! Again, fantastic to meet you, Juxtapose. I plan to make myself a borderline annoyance 'round here, so maybe we'll see a little more of each other.

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