Eggs & Deleted Scene in Director's Cut

Thats a bloody good question isnt it?

I also read somewhere that Ridley first wanted the eggs to be in a pyramidesq structure in the first movie, but he didn't get the money to do this. Then it ended up under the SJ.

interesting..can you post this particular part of the script ? I only have found the script by Walter Hill and David Giler.. turning into egg..never heared that..

In early versions of the script the eggs were to be located in a separate pyramid structure which would be found later by the Nostromo crew and would contain statues and hieroglyphs depicting the Alien reproductive cycle, offering a contrast of the human, Alien, and space jockey cultures. Was just on Wikipedia about Alien. seems he got to do in Prometheus what he wanted in Alien? it's in here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(film)

I don't want to get into the whole "Eggs were on derelict"/"Eggs were in temple" debate. But more debate where eggs come from in Ridley's lore. Which would help understand what Ridley might have in store for Prometheus be there some eggs in the last 8 minutes of the movie. One of my big Qs that I hope Prometheus answers is "where the hell did all those eggs come from?". @Kane. Not sure of any script links but if you can watch the Directors Cut of Alien, skip towards the end. Ripley finds Dallas and Brett. I do remember this scene but only after watching it the other night did I notice, and confirm other's posts about, Brett turning into an egg.

@sox2000 jeah I know the scene, but he just looks cocooned, not turning into an egg. @shin heres an early script http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/alien_early.html

@Kane77 - seriously, you telling me you cant see the ridges that make up the mouth/lobes of the egg in the image in the OP

@Kane77 Makes sense if Dallas is just cocooned...Brett becomes a egg with a facehugger inside him, then, the facehugger impregnates Dallas. Brett is the egg, Dallas is the host.

in the foto it might look like an egg but makes no sense at all..an infected human turning into an egg..

@kane77 - because the original intention was for the alien to have a complete lifecycle

I took some screens from the DC´s Alien. the surrounding is xenostyle, Dallas looks cocooned and Brett (?) encapsulated, maybe transformed into xeno-building material..no egg IMO [URL=http://www.imagebanana.com/view/m0hoj7n1/b2.png][IMG]http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/m0hoj7n1/thumb/b2.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://www.imagebanana.com/view/igejyca8/b3.png][IMG]http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/igejyca8/thumb/b3.png[/IMG][/URL] [URL=http://www.imagebanana.com/view/tgj6z7jy/b4.png][IMG]http://img7.imagebanana.com/img/tgj6z7jy/thumb/b4.png[/IMG][/URL]

It's always seemed to me that in the original version of [b]Alien[/b] (including the deleted scene), the life cycle and the back-story were made pretty straightforward. The Space Jockey was found with a hole in his chest from something bursting outward, as Dallas makes explicit for any less-than-observant members of the audience. Lambert says "I wonder what happened to the rest of the crew?" The deleted scene shows Dallas and Brett morphing into eggs. Based on this, the Alien uses a host organism at [i]two[/i] points in its life cycle. (1) Adult Alien captures a host and does something to it which makes it change into an egg. (2) The egg produces a facehugger which attacks a second host organism and implants the seed of the chestburster in it. (3) The chestburster emerges and grows into an adult alien. So, the SJ had somehow picked up a facehugger which parasitized him (perhaps while exploring some other planet never shown -- the Alien home world?), the emerging chestburster killed him, and the resulting Alien ran amuck and overpowered the rest of the SJ crew, changing them into the eggs which Kane found in or below the derelict. What happened on the SJ ship was pretty much the same as what happened on the Nostromo, except that there was no survivor able to blow up the ship (though apparently someone lasted long enough to set up a warning beacon to warn others away). With the cocooning scene deleted, the life cycle of the Alien was left unclear, so Cameron was able to define it differently using the Queen Alien, giving them instead a system modeled on ants or termites, dismissing the deleted scene as non-canonical. Notice that the original life cycle works equally well whether the Aliens are a naturally-evolved species or an artificial bio-weapon, though I see nothing in the movies to suggest that they're anything other than a naturally-evolved species.

@Kane, thanks for the script @infidel, wow i never though of what happened to the crew and the eggs. makes a lot of sence.

lifecycle not clear yet IMO. The queen idea of Cameron was nice, but not original, yes. But in Alien there are [i]thousands[/i] of eggs beneath the derelict ( not in). That men-turning-into-egg idea would purely theoretical ( kinda) close the life circle, but not convinving at all.. [URL=http://www.imagebanana.com/view/9hbifmhp/d1.png][IMG]http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/9hbifmhp/thumb/d1.png[/IMG][/URL]

Which is probably one of the reasons it wasn't in the theatrical cut, some people suspect the alien may do this to produce a queen. Also the eggs in the ship were the ships cargo, to be deployed on another world, seemingly Earth.

[quote]some people suspect the alien may do this to produce a queen[/quote] This is true, but you could also take into account the fact the alien, takes on a % of the hosts DNA. Infest a female, add reproductive mutation to the mix and you have a Queen. (I'm thinking about the dog alien from 3 and we only ever saw a male and a SJ infected). This could of removed the need for a drone to convert matter to eggs. We wont really know what SRS has planned till the movie is out

From the Allen Dean Foster novelization of "Alien", when Ripley finds Dallas cocooned: ' Dallas tried to speak again, failed. His head turned a little to the right. Ripley swung her light, turned it upward slightly. A second cocoon hung there, different in texture and color from the first. It was smaller and darker, the silk having formed a hard, shining shell. It looked, although Ripley couldn't know it, like the broken, empty urn on the derelict ship. "That was Brett." Her light turned back to focus on the speaker again. ' ... It's pretty clear that the intention was for the Alien to cocoon and transform its victims into more eggs. Whether Dallas was intended to be another egg, or another host, is unclear. I also think this version of the lifecycle and the one presented in Aliens are compatible - perhaps the Brett-egg contains a facehugger that produces a queen.

My take is completely different but still involves transforming SOMETHING into EGGS.. Its the URNS!! with the Jockey bioformer goo. The URNS were the real cargo. A "prototype" Xeno was in fact impregnated to the Jockey pilot. The prototype Xeno is the result of the SJ bioformer interacting with DAVID & then HUMAN DNA to begin the FIRST part of the evolution of a new species. When the new proto Xeno bursts from the Jockey on LV426, it sets to work on what is has available to it... A cargo of URNS. To me there has to be on obvious connection. The carefully arranged URNS around the godlike statue... Is this not completely reminiscent of the "EGGS" as we see them encircling the dead SJ in 1979??? The eggs were not made out of crewmembers.. or laid... they are transformed URNS.

This is strictly my take. I still think, queen or no, this was a great scene that works in the movie. It is not so much that Brett is transforming, as the Alien saliva/blood has some molecules in it that break the body down into that gooey mess which is the protein/nutrition needed for the face-hugger to develop and grow. Brett is essentially what the baby facehugger feeds on. Kind of like the white protein in a chicken egg surrounding the yolk. Whether or not the same is happening to Dallas is unclear but the O'Bannon original implies as much but also has the proto Dallas (here named Standard I think) say "It's eaten too much of me already." Kind of fits nicely with my protein scenario and could fit, I think into Aliens somehow. Mutating makes it sound like The Thing. Brett is clearly dead and essentially melting away.

If you look close at the Scene when David 8 pulls something from one of those Pods/Urns it does look like something like a Part Pealed Banana Split in 4 and covered in Slime. You Urn Theory could be correct, but not to the degree the Urns become Eggs but that the Urns actually contain what change into the Eggs. If not we have to ask what is it that David is pulling from the Pod as to me the Pod Looks kind of Ceramic in Material.

Again I don't want to get into the debate of what planet the derelict has crashed on, but here's a theory. The egg chamber found by Kane looks massive and seems to stretch off into the distance. In fact it looks like 3 miles long. I believe that the planetoid that the nostromo sets down is the SJ home world and the ship has coincidently landed straight over some subterranean hangar. I know the effects back in the seventies were a little basic and possibly perspective and distance were hard ton create but that egg lair just looks far to big to be part of the derelict. Any comebacks?

With the humans turning into eggs idea does a similar think happen to dr gediman in alien resserection?

I agree with dallas! Brett isn't turning into an egg, he's a nutritional resource for the egg or whatever is being formed int it. The urns have biological material in them, and I believe this material is similar to what the xenomorphs secrete. This "secreted resin" allows them to build things such as hives, eggs, cocoons, the walls seen in Aliens, etc. I believe organisms can also be formed from this material.

These are all simply ideas and not confirmed..... Perhaps the Xeno DNA simply evolves into a different replication method everytime it needs to. We dont know. We dont know (yet ) if the eggs in 1 were cargo. We dont know if the eggs in 1 were laid there or were carried there. We dont know if the eggs were in the Derelict or in a subteranium cavern. Good ponts Infidel. Cannot wait to find out though!!!

The Director's Cut (w the Dallas/Brett egg scene intact) is the version of the movie that's been running on HBO for the past few months. Before that, I had to grab my DVDs or go on YouTube if I wanted to see that particular scene. I can't help but believe there's a reason THAT version of the movie is being shown in the run-up to Prometheus. Just my guess...

As alien as the turning into eggs thing might be, in the end it would be a highly ineffective way to breed for a natural species: they need 2 hosts to breed one new individual. Once there are no more hosts, there is no more reproduction. They could then try and use themselves as eggs and hosts (just speculation), thus becoming the only species that rather than increasing its numbers by breeding actually reduces it until self extinction. On the other hand, if they are not a natural species, but rather a bio-engineered weapon, then it all would make sense, being a highly effective and self cleaning weapon of mass destruction.

Here is a site that debated just this issue. I originally saw the theatrical release and it was only years later that they released the Directors cut with that added scene with Dallas and Brett being cocooned and turned into eggs so thats why it was so hard to accept for me. The site I mentioned is [url=http://forums.sciflicks.com/showthread.php?t=12098]here[/url]. I now have no choice but to accept Ridley Scott's afterthought or initially deleted idea as an alternative xeno life cycle.

According to the commentary on Alien, they removed that scene because it broke up the spine chilling action of Ripley running around the Nostromo in total fear. To stop the action long enough for her to have even a short conversation with Dallas didn't work in the final edit. Years later what became known as the directors cut was inadvertently delivered to some venue and it had been a forgotten nontheatrical version, but when people saw it, it increased interest in the franchise. There was a book version at the grocery store checkout book stands too by Alan Dean Foster and he attempted to deal with the problems of presentation of the xenomorph life cycle although its been too many years to remember what his version was. I just remember that he embellished it a bit too but he is a hack writer so whatever he wrote is not canon.

My view of that scene was as follows.. The Xeno was able to somehow alter the DNA of the Host and mutate them into a Egg, and the other Host was cocooned because a Egg is useless without a Host for the Face Hugger. Thats what i saw in that scene, Brett was being changed into a Egg and Dallas was being used as the Host for the eventual Face Hugger that came from that Egg.

Yep im with ya on that BigD. What about when the Xeno kills that other woman? Looked like it might've impregnated her =O A Xeno might have reproductive organs? RS only did the first movie, so the rest could not even be correct? Only the ones he direct link to eachother??