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The SJs ship - inconsistencies.

GuruMonkey

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Hello Am totally looking forward to Prometheus and am sure it's going to be marvellous but .... one thing I'm having trouble with is in the detail of how much the Space Jockey's ship in Prometheus differs internally to the one in Alien. Many features are different, if you look closely. I'm a bit of a lover of continuity and the fact the the interiors differ walls, and features on the Space Jockey's chair, floor around the seat) is cheesing me off a bit. It might have been a bit of a feat to pull off, but why didn't Ridley Scott faithfully reproduce the original ship? Is this the same ship? Is it a different one? I think Ridley has done himself a bit of disservice if he hasn't remained faithful to the original in detail. Maybe I'm just expecting too much, and maybe Ridley Scott wasn't expecting people to notice. But I do ... arrrgh :o)
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With all the accolades that Ridley is getting about his movies and being the greatest director ever, I have to agree with you. If this is indeed the the derelict from Alien, then it should be an exact copy of the ship in Alien. It would ruin the whole movie for me if they don't have that continuity between Prometheus and Alien.
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Multips ships? Maybe the chair organically changes to the size shape of the creature in it? Who knows
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Perhaps there are different model Ships? and depending on how long the Derelict had been there it's probably in bad shape inside and out and not what it used to look like.
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I have said the same thing many many times...it bugs me a heck of a lot as well as the uniforms of the crew but I have decided to write it off for now to poetic/artistic license and trust in Ridley that it will not matter to me in the end that much when I see the film.
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Thanks for all your thoughts. I'm a stickler for continuity. Just wish he'd made even the interior walls of the ship the same though lol :o) Maybe all will be revealed as to why there are differences. Hope so.
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I thought they already established... it's not a prequel. Do you guys just not buy that? I don't think we necessarily have seen the ship from the 'Alien' movie yet. RS DID say he would address the original space jockey, though. We should all reserve our judgement until we see it in its intended format. Big screen, 3D. We don't really know anything more about the plot than what we have been shown. All else, who knows.
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could be two different ships, could be entirely different sections of the same ship. the derelict craching in the preview could be the midpoint of the movie, or something entirely non-related to the one we see in Alien. One thing about the trailers i cant figure out, the derelict crashes on this far away planet in the movie that we assume is the same planet contact with space jockeys is made. How can this terrFormed planet with a visual atmosphere become the uninhabited rock LV 427 in "Alien" in a matter of 30 years? i think we are underestimating Ridleys attention to detail here. I dont think anything in Promethus will lead us to a direct tie in with Alien, as Ridley mentioned wanting to tell the story in 2 movies. I dont think we will see how the alien eggs get on the derelict in his movie. If Prometheus is the final tie in to Alien, and there is only 1 derelict, then the company would know its exact location. That would mean they sure as heck wouldnt send 1 freighter the Nostromo with 6 unsuspecting individuals and a science android to follow up this discovery. I think a derelict actually will get off the planet in Prometheus somehow and is taken out via Kamikaze attack in space. it then crash lands on LV 427, with the company having a general idea where it is but no exacts. So Weyland sends out a bunch of expendable mining missions throughnthat part of the galaxy until a signal is picked up.
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Hi Necrofan. Yep. I agree. But it's still fun to speculate. That's the point of the forum, I guess. I just hope that RS hasn't sold out on the original Alien, just because the latter films were a bit flimsy. As long as he has some continuity, and doesn't try to deny the original Alien movie events 'happened', I'll be quite happy for the bulk of Prometheus to be a standalone.
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The reason the walls are not the same, as in Alien, is because the Xeno's are not created yet ... they secrete the walls with the Xeno goo ... don't they? ... And I'm going with TWO ships ...
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Yeah, HicksandHudson. I've had similar thoughts. Maybe it'll all become clear in the 2nd movie, if there is to be one.
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Hi Gem]n[. That thoguht also crossed my mind. That the derelict had become a hive and had been altered by the xenos.
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Continuity isn't an issue if the ship we see in Alien is a completely different ship from a long time ago.
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Totally different ship. End of story. We saw at least 5 temple domes, could be at least 5 ships there.
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2 different ships created by the same culture.
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We have F-16's and bombers, helicopters,etc,there could be multipe alien craft ( such as the hovering disk ) or one craft could be hundreds or thousands of years older, or suited for a different function. They are supposedly bio mechanical so they can easily transform in accordance to needed functions possibly. I think you have various ships and possibly various times that we are beholding the engineers. What if the engineer that we see outside on the surface of the planet looking at his hand is simply old and he or his race is dying. He could be creating or terraforming earth, seeding earth with the beginings of man, and then enters his ship, leaves and either hibernates until his creations fullfil their potential to make contact with their race to be host to his races DNA (immortality in a sense) and he comes back to earth to repopulate his species. And as far as the Derilect ship discovered by the Nostromono in Alien, that could be a engineer that escaped off the promethius planet heading to earth to invade, or just trying to get back home or quarantine himself because he knew he was doomed and just headed for the most desolate location he could find before what nappears to be a chest buster got him and he crashed. Maybe he's a larger benevelont jockey and the ones encountered by the prometheus crew a smaller more aggressive species that infected him and turned his crew to all those eggs (Dallas cacoon scene where he was being transformed into a face hugger) If there is a 30 year difference as stated between Prometheus and Alien that derilect ship could be old alien/space jockey technology, because the movie, screenplay and books seem to make it ancient, maybe thats why you have eggs and no steel looking cylinders.
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We have F-16's and bombers, helicopters,etc,there could be multipe alien craft ( such as the hovering disk ) or one craft could be hundreds or thousands of years older, or suited for a different function. They are supposedly bio mechanical so they can easily transform in accordance to needed functions possibly. I think you have various ships and possibly various times that we are beholding the engineers. What if the engineer that we see outside on the surface of the planet looking at his hand is simply old and he or his race is dying. He could be creating or terraforming earth, seeding earth with the beginings of man, and then enters his ship, leaves and either hibernates until his creations fullfil their potential to make contact with their race to be host to his races DNA (immortality in a sense) and he comes back to earth to repopulate his species. And as far as the Derilect ship discovered by the Nostromono in Alien, that could be a engineer that escaped off the promethius planet heading to earth to invade, or just trying to get back home or quarantine himself because he knew he was doomed and just headed for the most desolate location he could find before what nappears to be a chest buster got him and he crashed. Maybe he's a larger benevelont jockey and the ones encountered by the prometheus crew a smaller more aggressive species that infected him and turned his crew to all those eggs (Dallas cacoon scene where he was being transformed into a face hugger) If there is a 30 year difference as stated between Prometheus and Alien that derilect ship could be old alien/space jockey technology, because the movie, screenplay and books seem to make it ancient, maybe thats why you have eggs and no steel looking cylinders.
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Yes, it's entirely possible that the ship you see in Alien had been there for a very, very long time. Regardless, this has been addressed multiple times by the filmmakers, and discussed up and down on this board. Prometheus is not a direct prequel to Alien. Not sure why that is so hard for people to believe or understand. The connections you find will still have some ambiguous answers, but direct continuity implies a film that already has an end--and quite frankly, that's boring, and extremely limiting. I'm glad that they didn't hamstring themselves by some crazy notion that they had to finish where a 1979 film starts. That said, I'm expecting a lot of fans that can't let go of the Alien film a bit, to come away from Prometheus disappointed because the wished and believed the film to be something it isn't.
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Yes, it's entirely possible that the ship you see in Alien had been there for a very, very long time. Regardless, this has been addressed multiple times by the filmmakers, and discussed up and down on this board. Prometheus is not a direct prequel to Alien. Not sure why that is so hard for people to believe or understand. The connections you find will still have some ambiguous answers, but direct continuity implies a film that already has an end--and quite frankly, that's boring, and extremely limiting. I'm glad that they didn't hamstring themselves by some crazy notion that they had to finish where a 1979 film starts. That said, I'm expecting a lot of fans that can't let go of the Alien film a bit, to come away from Prometheus disappointed because the wished and believed the film to be something it isn't.
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The derelict has been described as a living, organic entity - probably one that can go thru various changes - "It's Changing..." "Into what?". Grow old and die, etc..

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