The SJs ship - inconsistencies.

With all the accolades that Ridley is getting about his movies and being the greatest director ever, I have to agree with you. If this is indeed the the derelict from Alien, then it should be an exact copy of the ship in Alien. It would ruin the whole movie for me if they don't have that continuity between Prometheus and Alien.

Multips ships? Maybe the chair organically changes to the size shape of the creature in it? Who knows

Perhaps there are different model Ships? and depending on how long the Derelict had been there it's probably in bad shape inside and out and not what it used to look like.

I have said the same thing many many times...it bugs me a heck of a lot as well as the uniforms of the crew but I have decided to write it off for now to poetic/artistic license and trust in Ridley that it will not matter to me in the end that much when I see the film.

Thanks for all your thoughts. I'm a stickler for continuity. Just wish he'd made even the interior walls of the ship the same though lol :o) Maybe all will be revealed as to why there are differences. Hope so.

I thought they already established... it's not a prequel. Do you guys just not buy that? I don't think we necessarily have seen the ship from the 'Alien' movie yet. RS DID say he would address the original space jockey, though. We should all reserve our judgement until we see it in its intended format. Big screen, 3D. We don't really know anything more about the plot than what we have been shown. All else, who knows.

could be two different ships, could be entirely different sections of the same ship. the derelict craching in the preview could be the midpoint of the movie, or something entirely non-related to the one we see in Alien. One thing about the trailers i cant figure out, the derelict crashes on this far away planet in the movie that we assume is the same planet contact with space jockeys is made. How can this terrFormed planet with a visual atmosphere become the uninhabited rock LV 427 in "Alien" in a matter of 30 years? i think we are underestimating Ridleys attention to detail here. I dont think anything in Promethus will lead us to a direct tie in with Alien, as Ridley mentioned wanting to tell the story in 2 movies. I dont think we will see how the alien eggs get on the derelict in his movie. If Prometheus is the final tie in to Alien, and there is only 1 derelict, then the company would know its exact location. That would mean they sure as heck wouldnt send 1 freighter the Nostromo with 6 unsuspecting individuals and a science android to follow up this discovery. I think a derelict actually will get off the planet in Prometheus somehow and is taken out via Kamikaze attack in space. it then crash lands on LV 427, with the company having a general idea where it is but no exacts. So Weyland sends out a bunch of expendable mining missions throughnthat part of the galaxy until a signal is picked up.

Hi Necrofan. Yep. I agree. But it's still fun to speculate. That's the point of the forum, I guess. I just hope that RS hasn't sold out on the original Alien, just because the latter films were a bit flimsy. As long as he has some continuity, and doesn't try to deny the original Alien movie events 'happened', I'll be quite happy for the bulk of Prometheus to be a standalone.

The reason the walls are not the same, as in Alien, is because the Xeno's are not created yet ... they secrete the walls with the Xeno goo ... don't they? ... And I'm going with TWO ships ...

Yeah, HicksandHudson. I've had similar thoughts. Maybe it'll all become clear in the 2nd movie, if there is to be one.

Hi Gem]n[. That thoguht also crossed my mind. That the derelict had become a hive and had been altered by the xenos.

Continuity isn't an issue if the ship we see in Alien is a completely different ship from a long time ago.

Totally different ship. End of story. We saw at least 5 temple domes, could be at least 5 ships there.

2 different ships created by the same culture.

We have F-16's and bombers, helicopters,etc,there could be multipe alien craft ( such as the hovering disk ) or one craft could be hundreds or thousands of years older, or suited for a different function. They are supposedly bio mechanical so they can easily transform in accordance to needed functions possibly. I think you have various ships and possibly various times that we are beholding the engineers. What if the engineer that we see outside on the surface of the planet looking at his hand is simply old and he or his race is dying. He could be creating or terraforming earth, seeding earth with the beginings of man, and then enters his ship, leaves and either hibernates until his creations fullfil their potential to make contact with their race to be host to his races DNA (immortality in a sense) and he comes back to earth to repopulate his species. And as far as the Derilect ship discovered by the Nostromono in Alien, that could be a engineer that escaped off the promethius planet heading to earth to invade, or just trying to get back home or quarantine himself because he knew he was doomed and just headed for the most desolate location he could find before what nappears to be a chest buster got him and he crashed. Maybe he's a larger benevelont jockey and the ones encountered by the prometheus crew a smaller more aggressive species that infected him and turned his crew to all those eggs (Dallas cacoon scene where he was being transformed into a face hugger) If there is a 30 year difference as stated between Prometheus and Alien that derilect ship could be old alien/space jockey technology, because the movie, screenplay and books seem to make it ancient, maybe thats why you have eggs and no steel looking cylinders.

We have F-16's and bombers, helicopters,etc,there could be multipe alien craft ( such as the hovering disk ) or one craft could be hundreds or thousands of years older, or suited for a different function. They are supposedly bio mechanical so they can easily transform in accordance to needed functions possibly. I think you have various ships and possibly various times that we are beholding the engineers. What if the engineer that we see outside on the surface of the planet looking at his hand is simply old and he or his race is dying. He could be creating or terraforming earth, seeding earth with the beginings of man, and then enters his ship, leaves and either hibernates until his creations fullfil their potential to make contact with their race to be host to his races DNA (immortality in a sense) and he comes back to earth to repopulate his species. And as far as the Derilect ship discovered by the Nostromono in Alien, that could be a engineer that escaped off the promethius planet heading to earth to invade, or just trying to get back home or quarantine himself because he knew he was doomed and just headed for the most desolate location he could find before what nappears to be a chest buster got him and he crashed. Maybe he's a larger benevelont jockey and the ones encountered by the prometheus crew a smaller more aggressive species that infected him and turned his crew to all those eggs (Dallas cacoon scene where he was being transformed into a face hugger) If there is a 30 year difference as stated between Prometheus and Alien that derilect ship could be old alien/space jockey technology, because the movie, screenplay and books seem to make it ancient, maybe thats why you have eggs and no steel looking cylinders.

Yes, it's entirely possible that the ship you see in Alien had been there for a very, very long time. Regardless, this has been addressed multiple times by the filmmakers, and discussed up and down on this board. Prometheus is not a direct prequel to Alien. Not sure why that is so hard for people to believe or understand. The connections you find will still have some ambiguous answers, but direct continuity implies a film that already has an end--and quite frankly, that's boring, and extremely limiting. I'm glad that they didn't hamstring themselves by some crazy notion that they had to finish where a 1979 film starts. That said, I'm expecting a lot of fans that can't let go of the Alien film a bit, to come away from Prometheus disappointed because the wished and believed the film to be something it isn't.

Yes, it's entirely possible that the ship you see in Alien had been there for a very, very long time. Regardless, this has been addressed multiple times by the filmmakers, and discussed up and down on this board. Prometheus is not a direct prequel to Alien. Not sure why that is so hard for people to believe or understand. The connections you find will still have some ambiguous answers, but direct continuity implies a film that already has an end--and quite frankly, that's boring, and extremely limiting. I'm glad that they didn't hamstring themselves by some crazy notion that they had to finish where a 1979 film starts. That said, I'm expecting a lot of fans that can't let go of the Alien film a bit, to come away from Prometheus disappointed because the wished and believed the film to be something it isn't.

The derelict has been described as a living, organic entity - probably one that can go thru various changes - "It's Changing..." "Into what?". Grow old and die, etc..

I get that the LV426 derelict could have already happened many many years before Prometheus, may be refered to at some point in this film but what happens in this story will simply run parallel to that.

The reason the two designs are different is because the production designer on this film is Mr Mack not Mr Giger...

i feel it would make sense if there are several ships on the planet and after a environmental catastrophe of some sort then maybe only one survives the carnage and that one is the ship in alien although snorky will beg to differ.

Well the way i look at it is this.... in the 1970's they Special Effects and Budget was not as big and as good to get the details the Directors may have wanted. If Alien was made in the 90's then some things may have looked different. [img]http://media.photobucket.com/image/colonial%20viper%20MK1%20prop/mfbphoto/Colonial%20Viper/Colonial_Viper_03.jpg[/img] [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090803004147/batroid/images/e/ed/Fighter_viper_mk2.gif[/img] You can notice that those Vipers are the same kind of thing, they look different because the newer one has more detail due to advances in Special Effects. I would say the differences between Alien Derelict and the Prometheus one is likewise.

well ridleys a stickler for detail and if he so chose to copy the original down to the last nut and bolt then arthur max is more than capable of pulling it off not taking into consideration that Giger is connected to this movie in some fashion. We are told that he has been constructing something for ridley, a project that has been vague in the details of which we are not sure. Some have speculated that the giant head is his work but i'm not so sure. On the other hand we are told that the face huggers had to be redesigned so our assumptions at this point are educated guesses , conjecture, and stabs in the dark, it all adds to the intrigue but its damn frustrating to. At the same time i'm pleased cos i want lots of surprises on june the 8

Different ships. Agreed.

Well if we look at the SPECIFIC "Dereclit" in Alien IS CLEARLY DIFFERENT that the one we see in Prometheus. This is actually the shape of the Derelict in Alien... [img]http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/writing/figs/derelict5.jpg[/img] You can check out a really cool page on the idea process behind the Giger inspired Derelict in Alien here... [url=http://ioannis.virtualcomposer2000.com/writing/Derelict.html]Genius of the Derelict webpage...[/url] Now, whether the specific differences are there for a reason or whether it is simply nothing more than a slight change decided on the art director is another matter. But strictly speaking, they are NOT THE SAME.

Does no one else think of Pink Floyd when they look at the Derelict? ...:) ...

Yes, and also a giant virus, the shape of one, non linear and abstract.

I saw the original 'Alien' movie on the big screen some 30+ years ago. I also read the book prior to the movie (really a great book). It was a fantastic experience and I am so looking forward to seeing 'Prometheus'. I have, over the years, thought about what the xenomorph's were, where they came from, what their neutral colony would be like or if one even exists, etc.. Since I haven't seen 'Prometheus' yet, I don't know what continuity exists or doesn't exist. However, I will say, from the very beginning, I never thought the zeno-eggs were on the derelict space ship. I always thought the ship crashed on LV-427 and inserted itself into a cavern under the surface of the planet. The space jockey, goes into the cavern in an attempt to repair the ship, finds the eggs and, like Kane, finds himself in a world of hurt. I also do not believe the space jockey was alone on the ship. Like Kane, he was probably brought back on board in an attempt to extract the face hugger when that failed the chest burster does it's thing and takes out the remaining crew.. just like on the Nostromo. Before everyone is killed they are able to set a warning becon (remember, it was mistaken as a distress becon, but was later interpreted by 'Mother' as a warning beacon) to keep others away. I'll have to see how this long-standing theory plays out when I see 'Prometheus'.