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I enjoy all the plot ideas here but think we are being too literal with some of the things we see in the trailers. For example, a king has his reign and then he dies doesn’t mean we’ll encounter a king. It could be a referral to a species being dominant one day and history the next. The phrase is like saying every dog has his day, or 15 minutes of fame. Because the movie is called Prometheus doesn’t mean that it’s based on ancient Greek mythology any more than Red Dwarf features small red people. Also, RS has gone to great lengths to distance himself from Aliens 3 and 4 because of their silly plot lines, even so far as to have them ruled non cannon. I would be surprised if after declaring a movie about alien cloning (ie resurrection) as fan fiction if he goes down the route of time travel, ancient atlanteans, Weyland being an SJ, androids evolving in to xenos etc. I’m not dissing the theories that are posted as they make great reading but I think they are wide of the mark. I think the movie will be set within believable realistic parameters that all audiences, particular the older generation like me who grew up with the film will believe and not on a way out there sci-fi premise. Having said that, with my luck the I will be completely wrong and the film will be about an ancient time travelling xenomorph from Atlantis called Prometheus who becomes lost in time following a time travel experiment, temporarily taking the places of other people to put right what once went wrong and hoping that each leap will be the leap home.

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genjitsu17
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I have to agree with snork. I think all this proto-xeno stuff is B.S. I also think the familiar xeno has been around for a while.
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Yeah, I think those things on board are different stages of chestbursters, face huggers and xenos. The worm(which was taken out before it fully developed) is a premature chest buster. The squid could be a premature face hugger? The bigger thing could be the middle stage of a xeno, seeing as weve never seen how they grow from a chest buster all the way to a fully grown xeno. This is just one of my guesses and Im most likely completely wrong as I havent thought this through. Actually, I wont be surprised if we dont we ANY "alien DNA" and like someones else said, if Ridley gives us something original, BRILLIANT! Im all for that too!
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One problem I always had with the bioweapon idea (although Ridley seems to have gone for it9: it would fail completely on any being that was either too small or did not a correctly shaped mouth. No matter how scary, this can wipe the life clean off a planet? Yeah right, here somewhere there should be a collective peal of laughter from all arthropods and too-small vertebrates, not to mention microorganisms - and that's just Earth as we already know it. Seems a lame sort of bioweapon, may Ridley prove me wrong!
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Thanks Sparta. It's nice to get a 'friendly' response from somebody in the forum. Those are few and far between.
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@ Wirrn - Same here. It would be more easy and efficient to use some kind of gas or something to wipe out a planet. And also, after the xenos have wiped everything out, the space jockeys will then have to wipe the xenos out! But like you said, maybe Ridley can prove us wrong.
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I would have to post this question to snorky here at this point... question for you: Why do you suppose the Derelict is Trying to Leave Lv-426 for Earth and Do you not suspect that the Engineers have made a decision to TERRAFORM IT? That this is Why??? And what do you do you suppose their means are with which to Terrafrom Earth? Has Ridley Himself not stated over and over and over that the Xenomorph is a Biological Weapon Created By The Race Of Space Jockeys to Terraform Other Planetoids? That their Eggs are a form of dropship cargo??? Edit:@Wanna-See No worries Man, I LOVE all you guys here!
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^^^^ Ditto to the last couple "bioweapon" comments. This is why that concept always ends up falling flat for me. Its just like a completely lame idea that has been done poorly in a million b-grade slock sci-fi yarns. Seriously, we are talking about beings that have literally harnessed the POWER TO CREATE and manipulate life down to the MOLECULAR level!! and they have mapped the ENTIRE UNIVERSE and have been travelling to all these places for thousands of milenia it appears. If they wanted to wipe out life on a planetary scale, they could do it in a million more simpler ways.. They surely would have the knowledge to create a virus or contagion that could simply be dispersed. Why would beings of THIS KIND OF POWER have any need to create a race of BIG BUGS ((for lack of a better description)) that need to have 1 LIVING HOST (that is almost their same height size!!!!) for every 1 of them they wanted to create. Surely a HIVE species that simply emerges straight from EGG to nearly fully formed adult is more desirable is it not?? Sorry... It just doesnt jive as being a "planetary bioweapon". More like a junk yard "guard dog".. or "local enforcer"
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wow I think it jives perfectly and this is WHY EXACTLY... that I LOVE these forums, We CAN in FACT Agree To Disagree Here! With Respect For Each other & All Our Opinions!
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I Agree Sparky, the Xenomorph are the new, favoured child and the means by which to eliminate the first batch of children

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lol you're just dealing with my insanity in a constructive way Snorky you do not fool me. I Wish you and I could watch this thing at exactly the same moment so we could both see the expressions on echother's faces as Both Our Theories Get Shot In Arm Or Shot Down Completely...lmao...
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@Snorkelbottom Where you came up with the idea that SJ's created the universe is OUT THERE. I've always seen them as just another species that rose to sentience long before the core stellar mass had stopped forming. They may have been first, but I suspect they were not the only cards in the deck. As evidenced in the trailer something happened to that world, it's lifeless. There are signs that something chaotic occurred resulting in those piles of bodies/suits. The mystery is the face, and I don't call it human since that is a TERRESTRIAL referrance, if it depicts the creators it's whatever they call themselves. I only use the word Mala'kak because it's part of the CULTURE and CANON. Since it's Ridley's film I'll have to accept whatever he lays out, willingly, or begrudgingly.
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Snork... Not quire sure what you are saying... How does the elminating an "old child" with a new favoured child jive with "TERRAFORMING" a planet. How exactly are 8ft tall Xenomorph bugs terraforming a planets atmosphere. I can accept that a Xenomorph is a sort of a weaponized biosoldier that is programmed to say eliminate a specifc lifeform that maybe the "Overlords" have deemed to need a correction of sorts, but just how are they TERRAFORMING??
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But what you say is accurate at the same time Ghost Solitaire. And it also fits beautifully with the "AA" theory, which I remind people is a Theory, Von Daniken never said it was all a FACT, just that these were his Theories. In this same way I agree and accept whatever Ridley lays out for us in the film.
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Sparky - I have always believed that the Xenomorph are a biological means to eradicate an indigenous ecosystem, and were created by the SJ's. But I am also beginning to believe they were created to eradicate us, and the other firstborn that the SJ's created before they were superseded by one of their firstborn GS - Firstly the term Mala'kak is not canon, it comes from the comics, which aren't canon. My reference to the SJ's creating the universe wasn't meant to be taken literally. They were most likely one of, if not the, first sentient races that sowed the seeds of life throughout the universe. But in time were superseded by one of their creations. Angry they created a second batch of children, specifically designed to eradicate the firstborn children and were imprisoned. Then along we come and open the jail cell, unaware of the events that have transpired, thinking we are greeting a kind god only to unleash an angry, wrathful god and its new batch of children designed to eradicate us and the other firstborn children.

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CanadaPhil, the first step of terra-forming apparently is destroying completely any living life forms and organisms. This would be the initial purpose of any Biomechanical Weaponized creature such as a Xenomorph. It's entire design seems created with this sole purpose in mind.
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Don't know why people think an alien race would think along the same lines as us. This is THEIR way of eradicating life, not our way. It may be completely logical and sensible to them. They don't have to be more efficient than us in everything, just in enough ways (in relation to their world) to make them overall more advanced than we are.
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Very good thread here. I think we're all essentially saying the same thing. We will see a prototype of the Xeno. The real question my friends is when we learn the true purpose of the prototype, will we be prepared for that? I believe that will be the shocker. Why do humans make pesticides? To better ourselves.... To quote Ridley "Basically, don’t[url=http://www.scificongress.com/ridley-says-prometheus-moral-is-you-dont-around-with-gods/] @#$![/url] around with gods" (Excellent article with no spoilers - only mind expanding theories) 62 and counting....
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OK... so its JUST a weapon then?. And it would then also appear that these "overlords" are neither merciful or benevolent since they seem to prefer a method that causes excruciating pain, horror & suffering. They seem pretty petty & vindictive.
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Yeah, like Napalm was JUST a pesticide...
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Maybe wipe out the general population with a virus or with deadly microbes (such as the ones that infect the crew in Prometheus), and use the xenos to get rid of the remaining survivors hiding in holes. They're there for clean up.
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Yes, but a very lame weapon, unless created specifically to destroy humans and (maybe) closely related species while leaving most of life on earth there. How could xenos eradicate arthropods, or microorganisms. No way, they would even have a problem with mice because mice are too small. To eradicate humanity, a perfect weapon; to remove all llife from earth in order to prepare it for terraforming, the xenos are worse than useless.
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The Xenoporph isnt a tired form if someone ACTUALLY tells us for once where they bloody well came from. In ALL the alien movies NOBODY has answered that question.......and i wanna know damn it.
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^^^ That.. Give Wirnn a hand.
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No need for a virus, you just lay a few eggs and wait (Hadleys Hope, USM Auriga, Gunnison County), the xenomorphs spread eradicating all life by using them as hosts to propagate. @ Neph - NO PROTO's, I do not not wanna see the Alien being created in this film. The Mural shows the Xenomorph already exists.

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Mice...LMFAO...What would work better for you wirm, Vaporization like in War Of The Worlds? Something that just by being there as you mentioned like a type of Gas? what then? What you say makes perfect sense to me by the way, BUT, Just FYI the Xeno's could trigger some event such as a nuclear explosion just by running into a bomb or stepping on a glass sphere the size of a tennis ball that might kill everything on earth in a heartbeat except the roaches!!!
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@snork yes, that Mural...Is one of the KEYS to this for sure.
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Im going to throw in my wrench here and say, I hope it has nothing to do with chestbusters or classic Xeno's at all. The problem with movies now is people feel like they have to be a prequel, sequel or from the same director as"insert money maker here" To be anything good. What ever happened to first time ideas? Maybe David got a cave drip in his eye and pricked his finger and a mini xeno is sitting on top of his finger, with all the biomechanical dna it will ever need to evolve. I'd be fine with it scurrying off and never knowing more about it that is untill...Fox squeezes another cash crop out of the "ALIEN" series.... Why is there only one SJ Ship? If your a confident terraforming/seeding God then you only need one ship per quadrant of space wouldn't you? Maybe you have a sleep awake cycle if your creating worlds and civilizations you wouldn't need to sit and watch the paint dry, you would take a nap for oh.. a few hundred thousand years.
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I am not so sure that's a Mural as well Snorky, could just be a little Vestibule in the Xeno House near it's front door lol.
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@ Wirnn - Hence the SJ's creating a second batch of children created in their new (suited) image specifically to eradicate the first batch of children (us, and others throughout the universe) created in their old image (humanoid tall blue guy), wiping all of the first batch of children from existence and returning the SJ's to their position as rulers.

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Mark Cawley I Love your Ringtone and I Love that Point you just made. It certainly isn't.
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"Don't know why people think an alien race would think along the same lines as us. This is THEIR way of eradicating life, not our way." I was considering the same thing earlier! They are their own civilization, right? And they have their own way of dealing with things, and another means may have not occurred to them. That could be a possibility. Who had guns first? The Europeans. That was their means of fighting. Other civilizations didn't use guns until they were introduced. Look at Star Wars. It's a fictional world of course, but if I recall, none of their vehicles ran on whieels, right? I could imagine that if some civilization had discovered some other technology for transportation they were satisfied with, maybe they will never discover the wheel. There's a south American tribe that uses a special liquid they put in the water, that paralyzes the fish. That's how they catch them as opposed to using nets or spears. The Greeks were philosophical, the Arabs mathematical. My point is that each civilization goes in its own direction and has its own means for dealing with its affairs.
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@Spartacus Actually, nothing short of vaporization (literal, not that WotW nonsense) may work, and I can claim it as a once-upon-a-time student of the late great evolutionary bilogist SJ Gould (pun intended). Nukes would eradicate humanity and many more species than Xenos would, but that's a whole different matter altogether from eradicating life itself. Individuals and species are not that tough, but life's damn tough. Even if you fried the entire surface of the Earth, that may still leave a whole bunch of chemical-eating bacteria living deep inside earth quite alive and kicking. The problem is, we tend unconsciously to equate ourselves with life on earth - a ludicrous notion if there ever was one.
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Lets throw this one out at you... Alien Harvest was really the first blueprint for Ridleys idea all along!! hahahaha... That would be HIGH-larious... But it was only the FIRST DRAFT. And the Xenos are indeed a bio-weapon/terraformer of sorts, but they are in fact JUST BIG FAT ANTS!!!! So yeah, your mural is in fact showing you... The XENO ANTS !!! Now, the unexpected interaction with HUMANS (who should never have taken a trip to this world) sets in motion of chain of events that leads to the XENO ANTS altering from a straight EGG to Adult cycle to an extrapolation of ours where 1 host/"mother" if you will has to have the "newborn" gestate inside of her. So instead of 1 single queen laying thousands or even millions of eggs in a "hive" which hatch straight into the same species, they are mistakenly altered into something that now has a partial mamalian life/birthing cycle. So when the SJ (from 79's Alien) was on his Extinction run to Earth, it was not aware of what exactly had taken place within the Xeno life cycle and was in turn, OVERWHELMED by one of the cargo foiling the "mission". Hence the warning beacon being set before it died... Indicating that this new uncontrollable terrifying thing even has the power to overwhelm the "overlords"
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@ want-to-see-prometheusNOW! - I have no doubt that an alien civilization(the space jockeys) would go about things in a different way to us humans, but what I have a problem with is that using xenos just isnt efficient for wiping the planet clean and its logical that the space jockeys, being FAR more advanced than us, should also choose FAR more efficient ways of doing things than us. But like someone else said, maybe the space jockeys dont want to completely clean the planet, and instead just want to get rid of the humans, in which case, the xeno is perfect for that. All smaller life forms like bacteria and Jonesy the cat would still be alive and well!
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I was the ONE person That absolutely LOVED alien Harvest and I put it to you right now that most of what that Fake script contained was Ideas that are now appearing in the trailer. The Baby Wiggly Ant Like Alien Form and the Engineers to name just 2 Whoppers!
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To far fetched... its all about fate "the king has reign, and then he dies". Its the fate, the natural order for the SJ's to become replaced, first by the firstborn children then once again by their new Xenomorph children. The Xenomorphs aren't accidentially altered in anyway or tainted... remember they are the perfect organism.

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@Snorkelbottom Hahaha, point taken, it really is getting tied into loops by now(my thinking)! I was pretty certain the blue guy was either Holloway or whatever that thing Shaw gives birth to grows into, or (small but nonzero probability) Weyland. But after reading the latest Q&A with Ridley, where he mentions humanoids from Atlantis from 750 million years ago, incidentally about the same time multicellular life started on Earth, I'm no longer at all sure about anything, but I'll freely admit that bit makes me scared excrementless that the movie may yet turn out cheesy after all, and I'm hoping with all hope I have that this does not happen and it really turns to be the masterpiece we all want it to be. Or I get up and leave the theatre, like I did with LOTR part1. But I don't want to do that to Ridley of all people, I truly don't...
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Thanks Wirm, Fabulous Info man.
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Wow, you guys keep coming up with some amazing ideas. Great thread. It really gets you thinking about what is possible or plausible in the film given what we know from the previous alien films and trailers and so on.
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Sorry... ANTS it is!! Hahaha.. And the reason that the "Derelict" IS in fact the same ship we see here is that after it manages to take off again, its has an epic submarine battle in space with big frikking lay-sers and gets finally knocked down over LV426. You see, all along, the Prometheus has been shadowed on its journey by an armed Weyland black ops vessel... Oh...lets say call it.. the ARROWHEAD !! Hahahaha... Thats it. The submarine battle in space is PART 2 !! And... and someone is gay.

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