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The SPEED OF LIGHT vs. the LIGHT YEAR for Dummies!

CanadaPhil

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I thought I would post a topic for the start of a discussion on THE SPEED OF LIGHT & THE LIGHT YEAR in relation to Space Travel. I am certainly not a rocket scientist by any means, but there is a lot of confusion in the forums on this subject. The main problem most people have is that they confusion the these as being one in the same thing, but they are NOT. One is a measure of VELOCITY while the other is a measure of DISTANCE! (Just forget about TIME for right now!) The [b]SPEED OF LIGHT[/b] is just what is sounds like. It is a measure of VELOCITY. The speed of light in vacuum, usually denoted by c, is a universal physical constant which is important in many areas of practical & theoretical physics currently understood by us. Its value is 299,792,458 metres per second, a figure that is exact since the length of the metre is defined from this constant and the international standard for time.[1] In imperial units this speed is approximately 186,282 miles per second. In metric units this speed is approximately [b] 300,000 kilometers per second.[/b] According to special relativity, c is the [b]maximum speed at which ALL energy, matter, and information in the universe can travel[/b]. It is the speed that all massless particles and associated fields (including electromagnetic radiation such as light) travel in vacuum. In the Theory of Relativity, c interrelates space and time, and also appears in the famous equation of mass–energy equivalence E = mc2.[2] Now in contrast, a[b]LIGHT YEAR[/b] is a measure of [b]VAST DISTANCE[/b] not Time as many confuse it with!!! A light-year (ly) is a unit of length, equal to just under [b]10 trillion kilometres[/b] (10×1015 meters, or about [b]6 trillion miles[/b]). As defined by the International Astronomical Union (IAU), a light-year is the distance that light travels in a vacuum in one Julian year. The light-year is often used to measure distances to stars and other huge distances on a galactic scale, especially in non-specialist and popular science publications, or made up fictional movies!!!! With respect to this story, the system of interest is the Zeta-Reticulli which is approximately 39 light-years from Earth. In other words, its about [b]39 TRILLION KILOMETERS[/b] from here!! OK, thats the "coles notes" version. Feel free to add whatever infomation you like....
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Ender
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Just to note the speed of light is not a "velocity". It is simply a speed, which is 299,792,458 meters per second. 2 pieces of data Velocity is speed in a given direction. 3 pieces of data Also forget about miles, modern scientists use the metric system
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where did you go to school? 39Ly at 6 trillion miles/Ly is 234 trillion miles.
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I would love to be able to work it out and the effects of Time Dilation just to seen if the 39 light years would take the rumoured 2 or 5 year. That way we can rule out wormholes etc. btw Time Dilation is basically the faster you move the slower the clock goes.
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" Also forget about miles, modern scientists use the metric system" Thats ok I am not modern or a scientist !
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Most science fiction on TV or film does do some sort of hand waving for fast then light travel. Same thing for making artificial gravity and so on. most of the time it is best if this is just hand waved and accepted so that it does not get in the way to the main point, which is to tell a good story. Though you do have fun ones like Babylon five, which had fast then light travel, but (humans at least) had to deal with Zero gravity or have rotation. Plenty of Science Fiction literature deals with time dialysis, but movies normally shy away from this, for the simple fact of not wanting to spend time explaining the concept.
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@Pulse.. Yes... and to add to the Faster you move, this effect is then greatly increased the further and FURTHER you get from Earth.
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So it should take them 3.8 year to get there if they were travelling at the speed of light, but I'm pretty sure they're not they are going faster as detailed in a previous thread I started called "first 12 minutes breakdown" . Only recently scientist at CERN believed they had found a particle that was travelling faster than light which if harnessed could make time travel a possibility, unfortunately after further investigation it was found to be down to faulty tech. (at least that's what we've been told) Maybe in 2089 we will have discovered that particle and harnessed its qualities. anyway this is a Sci-Fi movie it doesn't need to be accurate in any way shape or form if that were the case id be more concerned about the aliens than the speed the ship is going.
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Lol, then a light year is around 47000000000000 furlongs +/- 15 inches
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born. Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.
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furlongs or leagues ?#
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LOL furlongs
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So again in summary, in future Space Traveller is probably a job that is going to pay well, but it will probably be only suited to those who are Single with no exteneded families at all and no pets left at home that require feeding and watering! haha Ok, but even using the movie Example at 2.5 years one way or something like that, I think that would still probably translate to 10-15 YEARS or so in actual EARTH TIME? for a total round trip of 20-30 "lost" years back at home. So if you and a pregnant spouse were say 35 when you left, by the time you got back, your wife would be a senior citizen and your kid would be nearly as old as you were when you left. You on the other hand, have probably just aged slightly with a bit of grey on the sides. :)
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Further.. and that probably sheds new light on that Parker line... "we need to discuss the bonus situation before we get back" Hahahahaha
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Time dilation CANNOT exist in the Alien franchise for one simple, narrative reason... "I told her I'd be back in time for her birthday," (sobs) "her 11th birthday" - Ellen Ripley, Gateway Station, 2179.

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@Snork... Yup... And I didn't even want to mention that in Cameron's Aliens, the Sulaco was apparently able to travel from Earth all the way to LV426 in a few weeks!!! That is the problem with all of the sci-fi we have ever watched... It has to conveniently ignore the realities of physics in order to move the story along. Im not going to get into it, but speaking of flight officers and their kids, that was one REALLY praise worthy element of the fake "Harvest" script from 2 years ago.. I give the author credit for realisitically trying to depict the effects of Time Dilation in that script... that plus the way in which the armed cruiser travelled and moved! Cool stuff... Obviously an author with a grasp of physics... Hopefully whoever he/she is, we will see their work in some other hardcore sci-fi project one day!
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also by my figuring out Noxwords claim that LV-223 is 336ly away from Earth means the prometheus would have been travelling, on average at approximately 67 times the spped of light.

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average speed if using m-theory that is, ,which is theoretically the way to attain such speeds

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The equation for relativistic time dialation is just an application of the Pythagorean theorem. Td = T / sqrt( (1 - (v/c)* (v/c)) ) This is hard to show without superscripts but in words Time dialation Td = time T / the square root of (1 - the square of the (velocity divided by the speed of light) ) And you have a true velocity because the dialation effect is in the direction of travel. The same equation can be used for the dialation of distance. Just use distance in place of time. ROTFLMAO
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The only reason I can think of, for why cinematic sci-fi generally conforms to the convention of "[i]faster[/i] than light" travel, is the nifty-cool warping/zooming SFX invariably used to visually illustrate it. My guess, is that if there's anyone out there actually ( physically ) visiting systems other than their own, it's probably accomplished by manipulating the fabric of space-time itself...........It [i]was[/i] depicted that way in "Dune," along with a number of other stories, and would theoretically obviate time-dilation effects.
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Nobody has mentioned this entry on the Weyland Industries Corporate Timeline: Weyland scientists discover the inverse relationship between velocity and the flow of time making the long sought-after concept of faster than light travel a reality. The search for practical application begins. MAY 20, 2032
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RIght, I forgot about that!
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born. Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

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