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dallas!dallas!
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 1:22 PMIt is time we men spoke up for ourselves. For too long, men have been given shallow roles, needing to be rescued by the smarter, tougher, more pragmatic women. It is unfair, unright, ungood, and unacceptable. Look at how men are portrayed in the original Alien--dim (Brett), lazy (Parker), lazy and dim (Dallas), or even British! (Kane and Ash). This blatant sexism has to stop. It reinforces stereotypes that have damaged men for generations. I fear we will see more dim, lazy and British men in Prometheus. Act now! Tell Scott his old fashion views have no place in 2012 or 2087!
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Neurion
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 5:30 PM@Dallas!Dallas!
Hey pal, I absolutly agree with you. You might get a kick outta something I posted a while back, when the sequel to Carpenter's THE THING was released. Here it is below:
The Thing is…
Well, I saw “THE THING” prequel last night. (NO SPOILERS) If I compare it to the average Science fiction/Horror film…it wasn’t terrible, and had some pretty interesting ideas. On the other hand, if I compare it to truly excellent films of the genre, of which there are few (Carpenter’s THE THING, ALIEN), it’s quite weak and feeble…at best.
The setting/atmosphere was a bit stale…and “diet Coke.” Like its predecessor, there should have been more of a…pardon the pun, “Who Goes There?” sense of paranoia in the air. Also, I never really got the sense of bitter cold, and the frigid reality that it would be in Antarctica. The extra-terrestrial monster manifestations are pretty cool designs, with some rip-offs…or homage to the original The Thing, Alien, From Beyond, Leviathan, etc. A few of the effects are crap, right out of a “Sifi channel” original movie, but most are passable or good. The films editing and pacing is a bit off, and the third act feels rushed.
However, I will sacrifice criticizing everything for a solid story, believable characters, and realistic, interesting dialogue.
The question is: Who goes to see Science Fiction Horror Films?
I mean…Who goes there?!
I’ll tell you who goes there. MALES. That’s right! Males between the ages of 10 and 50. Sure you have a couple of “here and theres,” but by and large, it’s “Dudes” who make or break a SciFi/horror film’s box-office success.
So why in God’s name, do filmmakers continue to shove and shoehorn female characters into traditional “male roles”? Once again, I’ll tell you why…to push a liberal, feminist agenda. These roles are traditional because they work…and are more realistic. This is an unpopular and fairly taboo subject in today’s society. You would think, they would be smart…and greedy enough to realize that sometimes you cannot accomplish both box-office success, and political correctness simultaneously. Alas, they’re too numb to figure out this equation.
When I saw the film last night, there were about 70 or 80 people in the audience…give or take. Only 6 or 7 were female. This is what I talking about. This is a “Guy flick,” whether people like it or not. So, all the males in the theater sat there and watched a woman shell out most of the flame throwing and alien ass-kickins. In my humble opinion, this is the main reason why this movie will fail. To tell you the truth, I actually, really liked the lady protagonist’s character…a lot! Doesn’t change the fact, that deep down, males want to identify with a male protagonist.
One could say: “Well it worked in “ALIEN” with Ripley”. My answer for that would be: It worked in ALIEN, first of all, because it was a novelty. It had never…really been done before.
Secondly, in the original ALIEN, Ripley was not the Rambo type of character she was eventually developed into. She was a young, responsible officer, who had command authority and terrible decisions thrust upon her, in an impossible situation.
Thirdly, ALIEN was less of an action picture, and more of a horror film. Therefore, Ripley fit perfectly into the horror genre’s male psychological…Beauty and the Beast cycle, where male viewers are free to be scared and terrified, vicariously through a female character’s predicament…without injuring their own tender male ego.
Ultimately, I enjoyed a lot of the elements in the new “THE THING” film…but it’s still weak, and pales in comparison to the original.
~Neurion

Prom_queen
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 7:15 PMNeurion,
You need to read or re-read craigamore's previous post. Also, Dallas!Dallas! was being sarcastic.

Zedwardson
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 7:33 PMI am so going to burn for this but.....
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 7:36 PMas Biomechanic once said..."If I hear the words..."You complete me" in this thing I'll be walking out".

Prom_queen
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 7:43 PMzedwardson, yes you deserve to burn for that, and I hope the burn is in your bad place.
Just kidding.

Zedwardson
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 7:45 PMProm Queen, the DLC for the game includes laundry hampers....

alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphApr-12-2012 8:10 PMi just watched the thing yesterday run of the mill horror yarn with a few ok thrills.
Having said that its what i expected and leads into the carpenter film quite as expected.
Noted that alec gillis and tom woodruff were responsible for the effects. the team behind the last 3 alien films but i still think rob botins work is superior.

Ashmodean
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 2:15 AMI don't think seeing Brittish people in sci-fi is unrealistic. Australians on the other hand...

neo
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 3:11 AMSpartacus
as Biomechanic once said..."If I hear the words..."You complete me" in this thing I'll be walking out".
@sparty you love bio ... no wonder you always make a remark get original dude LOL.. copy paste is outdated

neo
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 3:16 AMand whats all the touch touch about sexist ??? if Ridley is the only one who makes women as main Antagonist why should it be a problem??? don't we have enough men pumping movies like Predator who feel muscle power is the best ??? why cant people think logically that fear is a concentrated conscious what women feel that's why they are best decision makers... they run when there's trouble not stay & get killed

neo
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 3:35 AMWe never know how high we are
Till we are called to rise;
And then, if we are true to plan,
Our statures touch the skies—
The Heroism we recite
Would be a daily thing,
Did not ourselves the Cubits warp
For fear to be a King—

belladonna
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 6:23 AMthese threads are making me sick to my stomach
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progeny
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 11:12 AMSince your all blowing smoke up each others asses here is one more touchy point.
GOD creates man in his own image
GOD provides man with sustenance to feed and grow
GOD teaches man and shapes him
GOD is a man????
WOMAN creates man from her body and in her image
WOMAN creates sustenance from her own body to feed and help man grow
WOMAN teaches and shapes man to become..... you walking "dna" nutsacks
GOD is a _____________
[b]Go vaginas *rah rah*[/b]
LMFAO

Gehirn
MemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:14 PM[quote]GOD is a man????[/quote]
If such a thing exists, I'm sure it's an angry woman.

Neurion
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphApr-13-2012 5:35 PM@Prom_queen
I don’t know if Dallas!Dallas! was being sarcastic or not…either way, I agree with the spirit of his post.
By the way, I had already read Craigamore’s post…and once was enough for me. I just happen to disagree with his opinion on this particular subject.
Peace,
~N

dallas!dallas!
MemberOvomorphApr-14-2012 1:20 AMWell it just goes to show ya like the old saying goes, "Men are from LV-426, Women are from LV-223."

dallas!dallas!
MemberOvomorphApr-16-2012 2:37 AM@ Nuerion
I was being humorous but . . .
based on your Thing review, It doesn't sound like you have a problem with movies having female heroines per se, just ones where the writer/director/producer decided to make the protagonist a woman based on some "Hey, let's show how sensitive/bold/progressive we are and make another Ripley type character the hero."
If that is what you are saying I am with you. The Thing prequel was so clearly that.

keepshowkeeper
MemberOvomorphApr-16-2012 6:36 AM@dallas!dallas!: 1. who's Francis? 2. the extra "e" in "clichee" was supposed to emphasis on how "cliche" the thing is, like "clicheeeeee!" ;-) 3. "Men are from LV-426 ..." Good one! :-)
You know what? I thought about it and you are right! There ARE too many male whining wimps in action movies lateley who bore us with their sensitive side and personal problems. And of course we have enough toughgirls already. I sometimes wish to get back those larger-than-life Schwarzeneggers and Stallones. They were unrealistic but much more entertaining.

dallas!dallas!
MemberOvomorphApr-18-2012 3:45 PM@keepshowkeeper
1. the funniest (imo) side character from the movie "Stripes". Warren Oates says the line when Francis aka psycho threatens to kill anyone who touches him.
2. I get it. Go big! Add a few more eeeeees!
3. Thanks.
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