Derelict damage mystery

Not sure its the same derelict now as they have stated the film is set on LV 423 but not LV 426. I agree though it should be quite bashed up unless its alloys are way stronger than the prometheus....i suggest that huge explosion in the trailer is the prometheus evapourating and hardly putting a ding in the derleict....just a guess. in Alien they do mention a crack or hole next to the three oval intakes.....so it will require a bit of explaining as to whats going on with the planet numbers if the 2 ships are one and the same.

Not sure its the same derelict now as they have stated the film is set on LV 423 but not LV 426. I agree though it should be quite bashed up unless its alloys are way stronger than the prometheus....i suggest that huge explosion in the trailer is the prometheus evapourating and hardly putting a ding in the derleict....just a guess. in Alien they do mention a crack or hole next to the three oval intakes.....so it will require a bit of explaining as to whats going on with the planet numbers if the 2 ships are one and the same.

I agree there should be some damage to the derelict in prometheus but on the other hand the weyland website says they have found adamantine ( an indestructable metal) so if in that universe there is adamantine the derelict could be made of something similiar or even stronger. I think that is reaching but I'm just saying that is how it could be justified in the Prometheus universe.

Yeah, it could be that the derelict technology is a lot different than ours, and that much stronger materials have been used. This is kind of a tangent, but I was wondering how it is that the derelict the Nostromo crew comes in contact with has an opening that they can just walk into. It doesn't make any sense for a spacecraft to have an opening like that, and it doesn't make sense that RS would have overlooked something like this. Does it have a "shield" that engages when the ship is powered? Is it the propulsion system and the crew just found a way into the main deck? Am I ignorant? lol

I was never of the opinion the derelict crashed on LV426. The eggs aren't in the ship, they're in a cave below the ship. That was always part of the design and you can tell from the scale, there is no way that egg chamber fits in that ship. It suggests to me that the LV426 ship landed above the cave deliberately.

As others have said, no damage from Prometheus colision because it's a different ship. There's another thread going on here where it's speculated that the derelict ship did intentionally land on LV-426, not crash, and that perhaps the xeno that came out of the SJ is the result of an accident while dropping off or loading weapons in the form of the eggs.

^^ I agree, completely different ship

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I don't think it's the same ship at all. I just watched Alien last night, and very intently I might add. The derelict as seen in Alien is perched on a rocky ridge. In fact the whole area surrounding the derelict is mountainous. The derelict crashing to the ground in the Prometheus trailer is doing so on a flat, plains area. The Prometheus landscape looks nothing like the LV-426 derelict "crash site". Also, I'm in complete agreement with those who doubt the egg chamber in Alien could be part of the derelict ship. Again, watching Alien last night, I forgot how effing huge that chamber area was. Seeing Kane descend into it, that room seemingly went on for miles in either direction. You could have easily fit several derelicts INSIDE of it!! The exploration of the derelict was always my favorite part of Alien. I can't fathom stumbling upon something so utterly creepy and inhuman stranded on a desolate world. Curse Lambert for being so damned anxious to "get out of here"!! I wanted to see more...

The derelict (on LV 426) looked a lot more bashed up in ALIENS, when the Jordan family rolls up to it, than it did in ALIEN.

@JockeyCousteau Yes Sir That's what I'm talkin' about. But I don't think there are 2 ships I think somehow it's gonna end up being that one.

I disagree that the Derelict in Alien looks bashed up. In fact for something that had supposed to have crashed it looks surprisingly NOT bashed? There are design differences in the Derelicts between Alien and Prometheus, which make me think they MIGHT not be the same ships anymore as the ships fractally morph over eons Of time. Once Pandoras Box has been hot boxed... not even death can turn it off. The derelict in Prometheus has slightly different design properties, so I feel there must be a deeper reason for it other than an oversight or revamping of the original. It is more metallic, mechanical and less organic. I do prefer the older design although the new one is still cool. It's organic feel makes it more alien and creepy. RUHs

Of course the derelict in Prometheus is the same as the one in alien. It would make no sense for ridley Scott to make a movie which ties into alien and then use the same ship as in alien and even make it crash and then we should believe that there is a second ship which also crashes... That seems very unlikely and I am 100% sure that the derelict in Prometheus is the same as the one in alien

I Like It Logan! LOL what he said.

So instead of two ships "crashing" on two different worlds, one ship crashes on one world, takes off, then crashes again, on a different world?........and that makes more sense, how, exactly? ;)

AH HA Double Douched, Touche Pussy Cats! Even though it's the same smoke, you can snork from a different bong and get more dorked? Especially if it's a Giger Bong. As for the cargo bay....I think it is something like an ultimate Bong that is the Tardis on Dr Who or one of those never ending staircase images on a Mobius Loop! Good journey Friends and Wayfarers RUH

The ship in Alien didn't crash, it landed. Aircraft take off and land all day, all the time in the real world. And one day, one of them happens to crash. I think that's the situation here. The derelict in Alien could have been there for a hundred years. It's not a stretch that after a hundred years another alien ship would wind up stuck on a planet.

No I think the derelict takes off on LV-223 and the Prometheus pursuits it and the crash happens on LV-426 but I have no idea how Shaw and Vickers end up on LV-426 maybe with the third ship seen in the tv spots?

I am with logan 3 on this one. I know for a FACT that the Sj we see strapping in is the one in the film. Heres one to see if anyone is paying attention a creature we have yet to see referred to as "The Deacon" actually punches into the SJS chest bending the bones outwards. I dont know what it does but some sort of proto egg is laid, why?, I dont know, I do know this comes from a reliable source. it makes no sense as Logan3 said for there to be two ships, the crew enter through a gash or tear in the side of the ship to the left of the 3 ovals, freeze frame the full trailer, the very same ovals are visible frame right of where the Prometheus impacts, theres your tear Dallas points out as an entry point. Camerons Aliens mentions Seismic activity shifting the Derelict, thus breaking it up more and creating new entry holes probably bypassing the SJ altogether. also its been out there for another 50 odd years, more than enought time for the harsh conditions on Archeron to batter it about a bit. Is it too simple that we need to read that much into it?. The cave issue for the eggs?, I agree the scaling was off but I just dont buy the cave theory, look at the walls?, look at the biomechanical elements dotted around, the same wall they walked along before climbing up to the sj chamber is the same wall on its side that Kane is lowered down, its supposed to be the ship, even if it is canvernoues, crappy excuse its the Tardis, bigger on the inside than the outside, I just dont see how those regular patterns decorating the walls could be formed natural, not when the surface is in such chaotic weather. there is no evidence of this patterning on the surface. we know something burnt its way through the floor of the sj chamber onto a lower deck, perhaps a cargo deck?, we see the same thing happen when they try to cut it off Kane later on. The real question for me is why does The Deacon kill the SJ? and has anyone else heard of this creature?. Its all specualtion in the end

Yeah, Biehn_Bandit, I put "crashed" in quotes for a reason.......but the Prometheus rams the SJ ship above lv223, and it falls to the ground on lv223, I don't think there's any question of that. Granted, it seems to suffer no apparent damage, so it could possibly take off again, then fly to lv426.......but I certainly don't see how that's any more plausible than two ships ending up on two different moons, for two different reasons.