Giger's Alien Mural, Link to Prometheus.

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Hey folks. I want to make it quick, since the idea is very simple. Currently we witness a lot of influence of older Giger works on PROMETHEUS. Hence, it would be wise to take a closer look to the original lifecycle mural he created back in 1978. I know it has been discussed on this forum before, but I don't think from this perspective: Although (maybe) not intended in '78, it holds much more info about the queenless, original lifecycle depicted in ALIEN. This information links to PROMETHEUS. First, see the picture: [img]http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o612/Nephilim-LV426/Prometheus/Giger_Alien_Life_Cycle.jpg[/img] It shows what we all know – the making of an egg, facehugger and eventually the chestburster. If we now take a look at the upper part, something curious comes to the eye – and something that has been observed before. A worm is wiggling it's way into (or from) an eyeball. Giger surely placed it there as a mocking image of God's eye in the pyramid (see the triangular shape), but it might have been an inspiration for the infection scene with Holloway in it. FURTHERMORE, and now the interesting part, can interpret this worm-thing as coming out of the woman's belly, the woman which is enclosing the scene with her whole body. In this case, the "eye" is the very opening of the belly this "worm" is protruding from. I am saying: The woman gives birth to an alien egg. Telling from the image, this is logical, as the "worm" can be seen at the underside of the eggs in the lower parts, too. Matching this with the footage from the PROMETHEUS trailers, I raise the following theory: After Holloway is infected by a small organism while researching, he has sex with Shaw, impregnating her. She then gives birth to a living alien egg. Notice here: The overall shape of the wiggling creature in the Medpod is similar to that of an alien egg (Oval "head", tentacle-like base) This alien egg is the prototype of a creature we meet in ALIEN. I'm not speculating on whether we meet the facehugger / chestburster of this alien in the finale or not. I want to resume the clues given: 1. Scott refers to a lot of Gigers original work (Temple, murals, alien hieroglyphs) 2. The mural image of Giger holds tempting similarities to scenes in the trailers. 3. The resemblance of the "Shaw Baby" and the "Alien Egg" That's it. I'm curious about your thoughts. Do you see the same links between the life cycle image, and the PROMETHEUS trailers? What do you see? Thanks for reading!

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Okay I see but the statement is different. This theory says that Shaw gives birth to an egg, not a facehugger itself. Thank you though.

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Or maybe this [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2448]Giger's Alien Lifecycle comes full circle[/url] You choose there's tons of them on this topic I'm sure

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So the egg does not contain a facehugger?

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Oh lord another Alien movie wanabe. People trying so hard and hoping that this is an Alien prequel. Make sure before you go see this movie you are wearing Alien blinders this way you are not disapointed.

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I agree that's the point I'm making haha there have been so many duplicate posts i.e the two we just posted, I made mine having never seen yours but alas they're eerily similar lol. What I'm getting at is they all pretty much have the same concepts maybe subtle differing idea but with the new search everything should be being put on correct posts if at all possible.

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Oh no another troll here to ruffle some feathers on a discussion board, imho id say just don't waste our time or yours. Watch a few trailers if you think it's not an "alien" movie. You might notice a thing or 2

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jesus christ. It's not about who's first or who wrote something first. What I tried to make understandable is NOT the inner urge to express my hope that the alien will be present in the movie (which I actually hope will not), but the fact how Giger's original work seems to play a major role in the concept of PROMETHEUS. So regarding the search, fine. Maybe worth a check before. But I think it's questionable to claim to be the "originator" of some thought or idea, when this forum kind of proves that a lot of people have the same ideas without having read the other threads before. There's no reason in debating over that. Of course the egg contains a facehugger. Your post just didn't tie to the image details as much as mine does – I just can't find your specific observation on the "eye"-element or the worm being portrayed there three times. Maybe you have it somewhere there. But I'm not going to check every single post on this forum if somebody wrote that before, that would make no sense. Thanks for your comments though, except that of doppelganger, who seems to have misspelled his own name, and who obviously did not read my post because it was not about the craving to have a classic alien in PROMETHEUS.

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I agree with you cantspacejocktherock. It is evident that the SJ race knows of, knew, or conceived of the original ALIEN. There is a scene in the trailer (#3 I believe) where we clearly see the ALIEN bursting from a flailed chest. It almost looks JUST LIKE the scene where Dallas is grabbed (or confronted) by the ALIEN in the air ducts aboard the Nostromo. I have paused, replayed, zoomed in on.... whichever way possible to obtain a clearer image. The "mural" in that scene is EXACTLY like the starbeast we meet in ALIEN. It has a smooth, elongated, silvery/black toned head. It has 6 digits (almost the Vulcan welcome sign with the exception being that extra digit-thumb-on each hand) and is obviously "bursting" from a skeletal human "chest". It has been indicated that the SJ beings (the ship discovered in the temple) were on their way to Earth. They had obviously been there before (based upon the cave drawings). I believe that they chose Earth as a"testing ground" for their new genetically created bio-weapons (the ALIEN). In meeting primitave "man" they would be doing no harm to the Universe. In their view they had found "apes" (from our perspective) an rexceptional test subject. The face hugger is too perfectly designed to attach to a human face; what other conclusion can there be? They did not expect the "apes" to advance evolutionally and come seeking a "creator". Now man, himself, has put a kink into their plans. On top of that we "apes" have believed ourselves to be at the level of Gods since we have created artificial intelligence. Introducing an android to the prospect of biomechanical "Godhood" we have now unleashed our doom, as a race. I believe the key in Prometheus that leads to a crashed ALIEN vessel discovered at a later time by the crew of the Nostromo lies with David and the SJ experiment. Ok, my 2 cents have been posted........

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@dopelganger Ridley has said this movie started as a direct prequel he has since redone the script and then filmed a movie that would cover the orginal idea and tie in with Alien, while also covering a host of other things that can lead to a part 2 that does not have to cover the Xeno Franchise. I also think that Shaws baby is the Proto Xeno. Looking at that Mural it showed how the orginal Xeno life cycle was, and thats from Egg to Face Hugger on Host to Chest Burster. The 1978 version depicts what looks simular to the Space Jockey and maybe explains what happened to the Space Jockey, in maybe another Jockey had something to do with getting the one on Alien implanted with the Xeno. Now you and other have made that good observation about what looks like a Eye with a Worm in it.... and yes the Eggs have a Worm at the bottom. The body/eye however i beleave depicts the Derelict craft, it is maybe not a females body. As we see one side is a Leg the other a Arm. The Arm also has a Xeno Head. Now maybe the idea it shows a Female and thus represents Shaw and Holloway scene, is one way of looking at it. But remember back when this was done, there was no concept of Shaw or Holloway. Here is another way to look at it.... maybe the Derelict has one of two functions. 1) Somehow it creates the Eggs (remember no Queen existed in Alien) looking at the Orginal Script there was no Eggs but Capsules/Urns like the ones in Prometheus only more leathery. So does the Derelict change the contents of those Urns, or Urns themselves into Eggs? 2) Or again simular does the Derelict use the contents of those Urns to load into the Cannon and Fire them at a Planet, this could be worms that are fired that then somehow create the Eggs? As far as Shaw goes that looks like a Squid/Octopus and the orginal Script for Alien descibes the Face Hugger as such. How Shaw gets impregnated is the big question and the MONEY SHOT of the movie, i feel its the scene that Shaw said was horrifying and Ridley said was Embaracing and rival the Chest Burster Scene in Alien. If so... 1) Does a Human looking Holloway with that worm in his eye, impregnant Shaw? 2) Does a mutated Holloway latter on impregnate her against her wishes, i.e she would be in shock of seeing a Mutant Holloway. 3) Does some other Organism Impregnate her i.e the Tenticle scene where Shaw is hidding behind the Door, (could this indeed be mutated Holloway?) And does the Space Jockey having something to do with this scene?

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With regards to the movie and Alien, it will tie in with Alien. Ridley and co said the following. 1) We will see traces of Alien DNA in this movie. 2) There will be some links with Alien but it wont be directly just about Alien (by that i think it will look at the Derelict and Space Jockey but also in another context). 3) The last 12-8 minutes of the movie, will link with Alien. The above point he has mentioned a few times and each time added or changed how he worded it inc. a) The last 8 mins will be set on LV426 b) The fans of Alien will get their wish/be exicited at the end of the movie c) You will see Alien DNA for sure at the end of the movie. d) The end of the movie will explain the ties to Alien. 4) They said the movie is where the Mommy meets Daddy. so for me this movie will show us how the Xeno came to be, and will show a scene that would fit in with the Derelict in Alien and answer some questions that was asked about the Derelict/Cargo and Pilot. But while the events leading and the end of the movie may link to Alien, there is a lot of stuff in the movie prior to that, that can be explored in another movie. For Example if all Mamals came from Fish this movie would show the Xeno Fish and then explain how Xeno Man was created. But it would also show how the Xeno Fish creates other lifeforms.

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