Best idea for how alien embryos got into Ripley in Alien3

I sir am a broken record when it comes to ALIEN and the sequels. I don't like the queen(Sorry señor Cameron). ALIENS is a good action movie but it removed the mystique of ALIEN. "What do you expect us to use harsh language" is a line a love from ALIENS. So after the big battle with her majesty. a commando team of xenos place eggs by the cryo chambers. Facehuggers gave Ripley and Newt a good night kiss. Then instead of leaving well enough alone, the xenos/facehuggers got carried with their celebration and started a fire to sabotage a secure delivery of the xeno cargo. This "stasis interrupted, fire..." sequence was a bit shoddy for my own taste. Too many things from ALIENS didn't make sense, and it made lesser sense to me in ALIEN3. ALIEN Resurrection..."look a the beautiful baby"... :| The skill that people like Ridley Scott has is a dieing breed, and it's sad that the studios encourage such shoddy work to be the standard fare. Alas this dinosaur feels the brittleness of his weary bones.

That entire opening sequence of Alien3 is a mess. But then again, so was the entire production, so it's no surprise.

I am something of a purist so I too have been disappointed by everything after ALIEN. But I have to remind myself that the people who own the franchise are investors who are really only interested in making money. That often means betraying and whoring out original ideas in favor of money-making ones. So I simply say, 'such is life, I still have ALIEN and they can't take that away from me, and maybe one day something called PROMETHEUS will come along.'

Agree with all of you. To me, Alien is the ONLY "Alien"...not fond of Aliens---that screaming girl just wipes me out and i have to turn it off every time. That said, there is NOTHING wrong with making a GREAT movie that makes money AND tells a great story---something we are GOING to get with Prometheus. Not maybe, not sort of, not "only if"---we are GOING to get a blockbuster, fantastic, wonderful story which will ALSO give the studio mucho moola...

I do not understand why there is any question of this at all, an Egg or just Face Hugger complete with queen's wiggly wiggly was in The Sulaco and impregnated Ripley while she was in stasis and en route to Fiorina-161. This is undeniable and presented clearly in both versions of the film.

and I think once again as I have to say this alien 3's reconstructed directors cut IMO is a thing of pure beauty and an incredible Masterpiece Of Horror.

and they were NOT EMPRYOS, it was a Queen capable of producing embryos. They took the queen out in Resurrection after reconstruction her from DNA found at the spot of her death and in her exact state from the end of that film. I see why you have been confused, you have had it wrong from day 1...it was a Queen Not Embryos ! The embryos were IN THE QUEEN.

By talking about Alien 3, I got a theory to the "Chestburster" seen in the Trailer of Prometheus. At the End of Alien 3, the alien comes out of Ripleys abdomen right ? And the Chestburster is bigger, because it's a Queen. In the short scene in the Trailer, the Alien comes out of Shaw's abdomen too and it's a big one, a Queen. Maybe that's the way how the Xeno's was created. That would explain where the eggs came from, in the derelict.

spartacus...no no. the queen is, at the time its in ripleys stomach, an embryo as well, so theres nothing wrong with that. and there are TONS of holes in the beginning of Alien 3, most of which have been dissected on these discussion boards; how'd the egg get there, why did the face hugger bleed on the cryo, where was the second egg, etc. also, why does it take sooooo long for the queen to pop out of ripley when the other alien got out so quickly. personally, there are many things that i liked about alien 3, but there were holes, theres no denying that.

There are even more questions about the beginning of Alien 3 that don't often get answered. Like: How did the facehugger get from the dropship hangar bay (where Ripley fought the queen, assuming the queen somehow left an egg on the Sulaco before getting blown out the airlock) all the way through the ship to where the cryotubes were? Are we supposed to believe that there were no hatches, ports or bulkheads (heck even [i]doors[/i]) between the dropship's hangar bay and the crew's hypersleep chamber? For that matter, what was it doing outside its egg at all? Did it just decide to randomly hatch and hope it could find a host somewhere? Not a very smart move from an evolutionary point of view. Or did it actually sense Ripley, Newt, Hicks, etc. during/after the battle with the queen, but say to itself [i]"Ok, I'm just gonna hang out in this here egg and keep a low profile till the fighting's over and then, when everybody's asleep somewhere else in the ship...THEN I'll sneak up on 'em. Yeah, yeah, that's it! They'll never expect that, mwahahahahahaha..."[/i] But, as I said, I don't blame Fincher, I blame the crazy quilt of writers/directors/suits that came and went before Fincher even got on board.

from what i remember from an old aliens magazine strip based on one of the many alien 3 scripts.ripley got impregnated by the chest burster which was originally in newt.when the eev crash landed on fury 161it was submerged in water seeing as newt had drowned the embryonic queen exited newt and entered ripley thorough her mouth.as i say guys it was based on an old comic strip based on of the many theories of alien 3.

all those "questions" are answered in the directors cut but unfortunately, and I understand why, we do not count that.

Where, though? I'm watching it at the moment. Right now I'm up to the point where the two prisoners are dragging the dead ox into the abattoir and talking about what they'd like to say/do to Ripley (and holy hell is that a [i]dead cat hanging skinned from the ceiling???[/i]) . Then one of the prisoners jumps up on the cart they were using and says "Hey Frank, what's this?" and he lifts up what looks like a very large dead facehugger. I LOVE the whole beginning of this movie in the Director's Cut - the whole thing with Clemens finding Ripley on the beach (she looks like a lice-covered bird caught in an oil slick, lol), Andrews actually typing out the transmission to W.Y. on-screen while we cross-cut to the prisoners looking inside the EEV wreck at the bodies (and doesn't Hicks's corpse look GRODY in this version, yikes), the overhead shot of them hooking the oxen up to the EEV. SO much more interesting than in the theatrical cut. The opening sequence - up to the point where the EEV hits the water - is the same, though. Interestingly, I just realized that the quick shot of the live facehugger hiding in the EEV (as it's being swung on the crane, in the theatrical cut) isn't in this version.

It seems that the only explanation is their had to have been another alien beside the queen that got on the Sulaco for who else secreted that egg near the cryo chamber of the 3 survivors and if there was one egg, why not two? We know Newt never got hugged (the autopsy revealed as much plus no bursted chest) so we've got two eggs. One gets on Ripley laying a queen and the other is scuttling about looking for a dog to jump on.

In all, its all very shoddy and requires a suspension of belief on the part of the viewer.

@JohnD ...coooool....ha...so happy you are seeing it for the first time, pay close attention to how wonderous the xeno's expanded killing scenes are now bro...And With regard to Ripley's Xenomorph...keep watching man !!!

Yes, I just got to the point where Ripley is talking to Aaron (85) about contacting Weyland-Yutani about the alien they've captured; still nothing in this cut to clarify any of the inconsistencies from the opening, really. Although, watching this again, I must say - Aaron doesn't come across nearly as comical/idiotic as he does in the theatrical cut. In this version he really is more of a regular guy.

And how about the guy with the Jamaican (or maybe African) accent? "De big muthafuka will eet you alive." Love it.

Holy smokes - Lance Henriksen [i]does[/i] yell "I'm not a droid!" in this version! It's right after he stands up clutching his bleeding ear. I wish I could understand what Ripley says right before she closes her eyes and falls backwards into the fire, but I can't make it out. Still, all in all a much more effective version than the theatrical cut. Despite its flaws, it adds much more layering to the characters and makes the whole story much more interesting. And yes, the Alien's attack scenes were definitely more exciting in this version, as well.

can you turn on closed captioning john? my bf likes to do that for movies that have a lot of mumbling and hard to make out lines.

Maybe Alien 3, and Resurrection are just hyper sleep dreams and Ripley is still drifting through space.

EXACTLY weylandshark, lol. This has been the only way I've been able to really enjoy ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION over the years - by imagining they are merely 2 'nightmares' that Ripley is having during her hypersleep journey home! This helps me to disregard all the design and plot inconsistencies, and general sillyness involved in those, and just look on them as non-'canon', fun 'spin-offs' instead. Works for me anyway. And I've noticed that there's been some who actually dislike ALIENS too...so although I personally love it, I guess those who don't can just look on that movie as being just another 'nightmare' from her original sleep too, if they wish... Oh, and why stop there? If you don't like the AvP movies, there's no real reason she didn't have time to have SEVERAL 'nightmares' during her trip on the shuttle, and these could just be 2 more!

[quote]Maybe Alien 3, and Resurrection are just hyper sleep dreams and Ripley is still drifting through space.[/quote] ````````````````````````````````````````````` Ya know, everything else aside, all predisposition to thought and any idea about all this, and being completely objective about it all. that's a Fantastic Idea.

oh and guys there is something you all keep forgetting and i have posted this so many times in so many threads I stopped doing it...IT'S THIS... BURKE ~ !!! APPLYING LOGIC WHILE WATCHING THE FILM {AND I AM TALKING ABOUT "ALIENS" THIS TIME}CLEARLY SUGGESTS IT WAS BURKE WHO ARRANGED TO HAVE OR PUT THE EGG{S} IN THE SULACO. THE LOGIC COMES DURING THE ATTACK SCENE ON THE CENTURIES...THEY KEEP COMING AFTER THE MARINES AND THEY BREACH THE BULKHEADS AND DOORS AND DURING THE SCENE IN WHICH BURKE GETS EATEN HE GETS EATEN AND WE SEE IT...FROM BEHIND HIM, MEANING A XENO WAS COMING AT FROM THE DIRECTION OF THE SULACO. BURKE PUT IT/THEM THERE JUST THE SAME WAY AND AT THE SAME TIME I SUSPECT THAT HE DROPPED TWO HUGGERS ON RIPLEY AND NEWT WHILE THEY SLEPT...HE WAS DOING EVERYTHING HE COULD TO MAKE SURE ONE GOT HOME AND PAST ICU, SOMEONE HAD TO BE INFECTED AT ALL COSTS FOR HIM TO SUCCEED. IT WAS CLEARLY BURKE WHO DID THIS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NEVER TOLD HE DID AND WE AND NEVER SEE IT !!! BUT IS 100% COMMON SENSE BASED ON WHAT WE DO SEE. AND WHAT WE DO SEE IS BURKE GETS IT FROM BEHIND, FROM A XENOMORPH COMING AT HIM FROM THE SULACO ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HIMSELF PUT IT AND OR THEM... THERE.

Completely agreed Spart. There is definately some sort of company involvement. My suggestion would be based on the size of the Sulaco. There was very few marines on the ship, which is gigantic - yes the ship could be that size to transport the collonists to safety. However, I can't see the company seeing the colonists anything more than expendable. I'm sure eggs being on board of the Sulaco can be explained by another team of scientists whom are in communication with Burke and collect the specimems Or Bishop collected the eggs on Burkes orders - he had that very knowing look when Ripley and Newt got back on the dropship to be saved. I can't wait to see what they do in 'Aliens Collonial Marines', said to be the true sequel to Aliens - running alongside Aliens as a squad of marines answer the distress call from the Suloco..............

yes, BellasianAlien and people, for Years and Years just refuse to admit this to themselves, Because No one comes on screen and shows them in a pretty paint by number painting how things work with regard to plot in a film...people relax their brains and forget to think while they watch a film like this, but i wait for the dvd and watch them over and over and over if i do not understand something and 9 times out of 10 the answer was presented in the film but because I/we were am/in a vegetative state while watching the movie we/I need to be spoon fed everything and refuse to THINK for MYSELF. By the way Me too man, I pre ordered it a while ago for the Ps3 !!!

The Sulaco was in Orbit?!?

there ya go, see how relaxed my brain is, OK, so lets say it is in orbit while all that was happening...what does that leave us with...? FAILING ANY LOGICAL EXPLANATION LIKE BISHOP DOING IT ON COMPANY ORDERS...THEY GOT IN THERE OR ONE OF THEM GOT IN THERE BY ITSELF/THEMSELVES either way is their any denying that one or more face huggers or eggs were on the Sulaco when the three of them went into stasis? I mean, the bottom line is Ripley got "Hugged" and by a queens' Hugger no less, on board that eev. !!!

The best way to link Aliens with Alien 3 is by re-releasing each of the films as Final Editions, in which, as I said before, each film would have additions/amendments/subtractions to bring the films up to date both within themselves and as a series in the following four ways... 1. Pacing 2. Effects 3. Narrative 4. Continuity To make Aliens-Alien 3 work is by doing the following... 1. Aliens - in the scene when the Marines first discover the Facehuggers, the original line says "2 are alive, the rest are dead". Amendment - "4 are alive, the rest are dead". 2. Alien 3 - At the beginning an egg is shown nearby the hypersleep pods. Subraction - cut footage showing the eggs. Therefore we can assume that the other two Facehuggers were stored onboard the drop-ship, courtesy of Bishop following an executive order from Burke, while Ripley was rescuing Newt.

@ [b]snorkelbottom -[/b] It's such a pity that the intro. scenes for ALIEN 3 ended up contradicting what we'd seen and heard during ALIENS, and the small amendments you mentioned in your previous post would definately have smoothed things better between the two movies. But I still have a few problems with certain things to do with this which I'll post up later here when I've more time.