Best idea for how alien embryos got into Ripley in Alien3

Maybe Alien 3, and Resurrection are just hyper sleep dreams and Ripley is still drifting through space.

EXACTLY weylandshark, lol. This has been the only way I've been able to really enjoy ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION over the years - by imagining they are merely 2 'nightmares' that Ripley is having during her hypersleep journey home! This helps me to disregard all the design and plot inconsistencies, and general sillyness involved in those, and just look on them as non-'canon', fun 'spin-offs' instead. Works for me anyway. And I've noticed that there's been some who actually dislike ALIENS too...so although I personally love it, I guess those who don't can just look on that movie as being just another 'nightmare' from her original sleep too, if they wish... Oh, and why stop there? If you don't like the AvP movies, there's no real reason she didn't have time to have SEVERAL 'nightmares' during her trip on the shuttle, and these could just be 2 more!

[quote]Maybe Alien 3, and Resurrection are just hyper sleep dreams and Ripley is still drifting through space.[/quote] ````````````````````````````````````````````` Ya know, everything else aside, all predisposition to thought and any idea about all this, and being completely objective about it all. that's a Fantastic Idea.

oh and guys there is something you all keep forgetting and i have posted this so many times in so many threads I stopped doing it...IT'S THIS... BURKE ~ !!! APPLYING LOGIC WHILE WATCHING THE FILM {AND I AM TALKING ABOUT "ALIENS" THIS TIME}CLEARLY SUGGESTS IT WAS BURKE WHO ARRANGED TO HAVE OR PUT THE EGG{S} IN THE SULACO. THE LOGIC COMES DURING THE ATTACK SCENE ON THE CENTURIES...THEY KEEP COMING AFTER THE MARINES AND THEY BREACH THE BULKHEADS AND DOORS AND DURING THE SCENE IN WHICH BURKE GETS EATEN HE GETS EATEN AND WE SEE IT...FROM BEHIND HIM, MEANING A XENO WAS COMING AT FROM THE DIRECTION OF THE SULACO. BURKE PUT IT/THEM THERE JUST THE SAME WAY AND AT THE SAME TIME I SUSPECT THAT HE DROPPED TWO HUGGERS ON RIPLEY AND NEWT WHILE THEY SLEPT...HE WAS DOING EVERYTHING HE COULD TO MAKE SURE ONE GOT HOME AND PAST ICU, SOMEONE HAD TO BE INFECTED AT ALL COSTS FOR HIM TO SUCCEED. IT WAS CLEARLY BURKE WHO DID THIS EVEN THOUGH WE ARE NEVER TOLD HE DID AND WE AND NEVER SEE IT !!! BUT IS 100% COMMON SENSE BASED ON WHAT WE DO SEE. AND WHAT WE DO SEE IS BURKE GETS IT FROM BEHIND, FROM A XENOMORPH COMING AT HIM FROM THE SULACO ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HIMSELF PUT IT AND OR THEM... THERE.

Completely agreed Spart. There is definately some sort of company involvement. My suggestion would be based on the size of the Sulaco. There was very few marines on the ship, which is gigantic - yes the ship could be that size to transport the collonists to safety. However, I can't see the company seeing the colonists anything more than expendable. I'm sure eggs being on board of the Sulaco can be explained by another team of scientists whom are in communication with Burke and collect the specimems Or Bishop collected the eggs on Burkes orders - he had that very knowing look when Ripley and Newt got back on the dropship to be saved. I can't wait to see what they do in 'Aliens Collonial Marines', said to be the true sequel to Aliens - running alongside Aliens as a squad of marines answer the distress call from the Suloco..............

yes, BellasianAlien and people, for Years and Years just refuse to admit this to themselves, Because No one comes on screen and shows them in a pretty paint by number painting how things work with regard to plot in a film...people relax their brains and forget to think while they watch a film like this, but i wait for the dvd and watch them over and over and over if i do not understand something and 9 times out of 10 the answer was presented in the film but because I/we were am/in a vegetative state while watching the movie we/I need to be spoon fed everything and refuse to THINK for MYSELF. By the way Me too man, I pre ordered it a while ago for the Ps3 !!!

The Sulaco was in Orbit?!?

there ya go, see how relaxed my brain is, OK, so lets say it is in orbit while all that was happening...what does that leave us with...? FAILING ANY LOGICAL EXPLANATION LIKE BISHOP DOING IT ON COMPANY ORDERS...THEY GOT IN THERE OR ONE OF THEM GOT IN THERE BY ITSELF/THEMSELVES either way is their any denying that one or more face huggers or eggs were on the Sulaco when the three of them went into stasis? I mean, the bottom line is Ripley got "Hugged" and by a queens' Hugger no less, on board that eev. !!!

@ Everyone that likes the notion of 'Burke' being responsible for leaving an egg or two in waiting near the cryotubes - Where was HE intending to 'sleep' on his journey home I wonder? Would the others who survived not wonder why he seemed reluctant to sleep alongside them in the same pod area?... Surely he was at an equal risk of the hidden egg(s) nearby opening and attacking HIM while he was asleep too, if that was the case?... I guess he could have had the 'special perk' of having a safely isolated cryotube of his own on the trip, or perhaps he just 'didn't think things through properly' when it came time to join the rest for the trip home?... My own biggest dislike of this theory however, is that I wonder how 'Burke' managed to collect, carry, and place the egg(s) into position himself...without the egg(s) opening to attack him while he was doing that?... I suppose 'Bishop' could have given us all a false impression that he 'cared', even though he went back for Ripley and Newt, and saved 'Newt' from being sucked out (who knows?, maybe he hoped they both might be 'impregnated' too at some point)...giving him a dark 'programmed' nature and 'company' agenda indeed...but I choose not to believe this either. Nope, I prefer to think of ALIEN 3 onwards as merely the fevered 'nightmares' of Ripley's hypesleep...which helps to explain why the whole of ALIEN 3's intro. scenes weren't thought through properly to begin with!

With respect to everyone's opinions, i think what we're mainly doing here is making excuses for the filmmakers. It's funny if you think about it - we have huge, passionate arguments about what is or isn't 'canon,' and we even call out the movie makers for violating it when we see it happening... yet we have no problem constructing completely imaginary reasons to 'explain' things that don't make sense onscreen. I gave up a long time ago trying to use any kind of logic to make a clean connection between Aliens and Alien3. It's not about wanting to be spoon-fed, per se; it's simply that the events of the beginning of [i]Alien3[/i] contradict 1) The sequence of events in the final act of [i]Aliens[/i] and 2) What we know about the Alien life-cycle from Scott's & Cameron's films. The production team on "Alien3" should have either paid attention to continuity from the previous films, or thrown it out completely (which they practically did anyway - even the [i]Sulaco[/i][b][/b] looks different in [i]Alien3[/i]!). It's pretty obvious that they just didn't care.

The best way to link Aliens with Alien 3 is by re-releasing each of the films as Final Editions, in which, as I said before, each film would have additions/amendments/subtractions to bring the films up to date both within themselves and as a series in the following four ways... 1. Pacing 2. Effects 3. Narrative 4. Continuity To make Aliens-Alien 3 work is by doing the following... 1. Aliens - in the scene when the Marines first discover the Facehuggers, the original line says "2 are alive, the rest are dead". Amendment - "4 are alive, the rest are dead". 2. Alien 3 - At the beginning an egg is shown nearby the hypersleep pods. Subraction - cut footage showing the eggs. Therefore we can assume that the other two Facehuggers were stored onboard the drop-ship, courtesy of Bishop following an executive order from Burke, while Ripley was rescuing Newt.

@ [b]snorkelbottom -[/b] It's such a pity that the intro. scenes for ALIEN 3 ended up contradicting what we'd seen and heard during ALIENS, and the small amendments you mentioned in your previous post would definately have smoothed things better between the two movies. But I still have a few problems with certain things to do with this which I'll post up later here when I've more time.

When Bishop was preparing to crawl down the service tunnel to pilot the dropship down, he told Ripley that it would take (in total) approx 3 hours. Earlier in the movie, it was established that the place was going to blow up in approx 4 hours. This left Bishop an extra hour during which he could have: fetched 2 eggs and hidden them. While Ripley was rescuing Newt, Bishop could've then returned to pick up the eggs and put them in the drop ship. He'd then fly back to pick up Ripley and give some bogus story to cover up why he was late. [b]BOOOYAAAAAAA[/b]

I love it! Now where exactly did Bishop get these eggs? ;)

The Queen was never IN the Sulaco, she just hitched a ride on the landing gear. Sadly the production on Alien 3 was a mess and the whole movie was cut and re-written so many times it's hard to know what is true. It certainly does make it look like Bishop is to blame for the eggs being there though, but I believe that is only due to the issues with the editing of Alien 3.

Here's the rest of what I wanted to add now - This notion of 'Bishop' (under 'company' orders from 'Burke') being responsible for sticking a couple of eggs on the Sulaco at some point is certainly interesting...because it gives a real dark edge to the 'Bishop' android which would contradict the seemingly benign nature of his rescue of Ripley and Newt, and his saving of Newt from being sucked out of the Sulaco... But unfortunately, as abordoli asked - Where exactly did 'Bishop' get these eggs in the first place, to do this? As snorkelbottom said, it's stated in ALIENS that there are only 2 'facehuggers' left alive, and presumably these are the ones used for the attack on Ripley and Newt, which get shot and killed... And the 'eggs' the Queen laid certainly looked like they were all destroyed thanks to Ripley and the subsequent explosions...and since the Queen was now 'egg-sac'-less when she emerged from the 'Dropship's landing gear, then she certainly didn't produce the 'egg' seen in the ALIEN 3 intro. There is no mention of 'eggs' surviving in ALIENS , but I guess it could be argued that we just never heard/saw some examples of these, and that some were kept seperately from the 'facehugger' tanks we saw... But my problem with this whole idea is this - Even if 'Burke' had supposedly organised for 'Bishop' to store a couple of 'unseen-by-us' eggs nearby the Sulaco's hypersleep pods...surely that would have been a little unwise, considering that 'Burke' himself would have had to enter one of the hypersleep pods too (had he survived) for the journey home? Of course, perhaps he hadn't thought things through too well... Nope, I'll stick to 'imagining' that ALIEN 3 (and ALIEN RESURRECTION) were merely 2 feverish 'nightmares' dreampt up by Ripley during her sleep home, to explain away the inconsistencies. I find it easier than anything else.

The notion of the 'Bishop' android (complying to 'Company' orders from 'Burke') being responsible for placing a couple of eggs nearby the Sulaco's hypersleep pods is certainly interesting...because it gives a real dark new edge to our view of 'Bishop' which CONTRADICTS his supposedly benign rescue of Ripley and Newt, and saving Newt from being sucked out of the Sulaco... However, as abordoli asked - Where did the eggs come from in the first place, for them to have been hidden near the Sulaco's hypersleep pods anyway? As snorkelbottom said, it's stated in ALIENS that there are only a couple of 'facehuggers' alive still...and these are the ones that are presumably let loose on the sleeping Ripley and Newt, before the marines kill them... ...and it's likely that the ones that the Queen laid were ALL destroyed by Ripley and the subsequent explosions in her lair. And the Queen can't have laid any more afterwards, because she'd ripped off her 'egg-sac' to escape the fire before managing to get onto the 'Dropship's landing gear... However, I guess it could be argued that perhaps some ADDITIONAL 'unseen-by-us' egg specimens were stored somewhere nearby the 'facehugger' specimens in the the containment tanks seen in ALIENS...and a couple of these 'unseen' eggs could have been the ones used by 'Burke' and 'Bishop'... [b]But my problem with this whole scenario is this -[/b] Even if 'Bishop' could have somehow taken then placed a couple of eggs in the Sulaco without them hatching...why would 'Burke' get 'Bishop' to hide a couple of eggs beside the hypersleep pods anyway, considering HE would have to be in one of the pods for the journey home too?...as the highly dangerous eggs would surely have posed a great risk to him also, when he was asleep?... Perhaps 'Burke' didn't think that through very well?... On the other hand, it could be argued that 'Burke' had a special, seperate hypersleep pod well away from the other pods... Either way, these are just 'imaginary' ways to explain the inconsistencies that are there onscreen...and I'd personally prefer to stick with my own 'imagined' notion of ALIEN 3's intro. (along with the rest of it, and ALIEN RESURRECTION too) merely being the feverish 'nightmares' of Ripley's hypersleep 'dreams'...as this explains the many unexplained inconsistencies and general silliness that came after ALIENS in a way that satisfies me the most!

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In Aliens, newt gets captured and cocooned........ There may indeed have been only one egg on the sulaco.

I agree that the design of the queen was not real good. The only time it was believable was when it was on that white cargo door with the yellow forklift on top of it. As for Alien 3, the best we can get is the director's cut, where Ripley burns up before the chestburster arrives among other improvements. As for the series, there are two categories: Alien and all the other films afterwards.