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LV -223 as an outpost

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centrosphere

MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 9:25 AM
So the [url=http://www.screenslam.com/blog/sir-ridley-scotts-prometheus-origins-evolution-from-alien]new article[/url] give hints that LV-223, the planetoid where most, or whole, of the action takes place, is not the SJ (=engineers?) homeworld, but only some kind of outpost: “[i]The crew of the Prometheus thinks they’re headed to paradise to discover answers to the ultimate questions. But what they find is a dark and twisted and frightening world – a way station for these beings,” adds Jon Spaihts. “The cold and implacable environment is more like hell than heaven.”[/i]" This rises a new question: why the archeological "clues" found on Earth point to a distant outpost and not to the homeworld of the "gods". I´m under the forming conviction that something unexpected happened on Earth. I´m starting to think that the "Prometheus" crew will not "steal" anything from the SJ´s outpost in Zeta Reticuli system; on the contrary; something was given to us back on Earth, and our arrival at the SJ´s outpost instantly informs this race of a likely betrayal. In fact I think that an Engineer, for wathever reason, deranged the ongoing experiment on Earth, giving birth to mankind. And this was probably unexpected from the SJ´s stance. In this case, I can´t help but wonder about the reason for the Engineers hostile response to the fact of our existence. I can only think about one explanation: the background of "Prometheus" (and probably "Alien") universe is that intelligence is exceedling rare. Remember that when the Nostromo´s crew find the Derelict, Ash says that "Mother" never saw something like it. I believe Ash wasn´t talking about the specific Derelict design, but the whole idea of a nonhuman spaceship. But the scarcity of intelligence don´t mean it must be cultivated, from the Engineers point of view; it means the emergence of a rival in their ecological niche. That´s the reason they go to destroy us. What are yours opinions?
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Nostromo

MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 10:32 AM
I had just assumed that one of the crew steals something from the temple (maybe David) and madness ensues and then the Engineers get all peeved that their technology/genetic codes were stolen. It's always humans trying to get the upper hand and angering powerful creatures.

Nostromo

MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 10:35 AM
Thanks for sharing btw, had not seen that article yet. I found this very interesting...Neither scientist was prepared for the unimaginable terrors they would encounter. “When Shaw and Holloway conceived the mission, their expectation was they would discover a benevolent species that might provide answers to some of our greatest mysteries,” says executive producer Michael Ellenberg. “In other words they were hoping to meet gods. But these beings prove to be anything but compassionate. They are a dangerous race of superbeings.”

Gem]n[

MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 10:39 AM
Well that was an interesting read ... but I like the bit at the end ... [b]SPOILER ???:[/b] [quote]On the planet, the team meets a survivor of a civilization in control of some very dangerous elements, including various forms of biology and biomechanics, which in a heartbeat can eviscerate its victim, or worse. “This brings us to the question,” says Scott, “what are the consequences of meeting a superior being, whose capabilities are quantum leaps beyond one’s own, and are in effect god-like?”[/quote] SURVIVOR ... as in ONE ... left behind ... with some naughty organisms ... [quote]But these beings prove to be anything but compassionate. They are a dangerous race of superbeings[/quote] But then that makes me think ... why did they bother creating us in the first place if they're that way inclined? ... Looks like our discussions on this forum weren't too far out :) ...

Syphonox

MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 10:40 AM
To me, your last paragraph leads into the answer to your original question. If you were creating lifeforms throughout the universe who could become intelligent and develop a way to travel through space, why would you invite them to your home planet without knowing their intentions? Why not just invite them to your "lab" and see how it goes down? As far as why they want to kill us, there are numerous speculations on that subject on this forum. They are obviously far more advanced as a sspecies than we are, and they are perhaps our creators. This means that we may not understand their motivations or thought processes; after all, they aren't human. This also means that they, being our creators, have ownership over our existence, in which case if they feel threatened, or we do something stupid, they may fee like exterminating us without so much as batting an eye.

dopelganger

MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 10:55 AM
Maybe is was not an invite but a warning like in Alien. The drawings are telling a common story of a visitor, a being that either left something behind or took something with them. Maybe the drawings are a warning to stay away or to avoid contact all together. Then add greed, deception and lust for power you get a pretty good story that messes with out heads. Looking forward to this movie. It is going to kick some Alien ass.
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Shane

MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 11:11 AM
Did one of the early "leak" things say they were resource hungry? Maybe it is designed as a trap. When your civilization gets to a point where you can make it to this planet your world is ready to be harvested for what technology and resources you have. The Stephen Hawking sort of idea....

Ghorgul

MemberOvomorphApr-24-2012 11:24 AM
I have had this weird theory about Engineers' motivations: (CANT REMEMBER IF I HAVE READ THIS SOMEWHERE OR IF THIS COMPLETELY OF MY OWN THOUGHT PROGRESS, so dont start raging if I'm accidentally "quoting" someones earlier theory!) The Engineers leave part of their DNA in some living form to different planets and enviroments, then they wait for the evolution to do it's work, and go see the results. If the results are seen fitting they are absorbed into themselves, and the "children" race which provided this new genepool is destroyed (to avoid competition)? This would lead it into Engineers experiencing very rapid evolution progress. At the same time they could be gathering some very weird set of creatures and genes into their vaults, to be used as bioweapons in the future, and even on destroying children races. Actually now that I think of this, it's probably the best solution if one prefers to become godlike being. Hypothesis on the films plot drawn from this theory: Humans arrived to scene where one children race (SJs) has pursued to exterminate their fathers when they have realized their rather inhuman ways. They have partly succeeded, as there seems to be only a handful or maybe only even 1 Engineer left. This Engineer used their bio-records and created some horrible monster to kill the SJs attacking them, and succeeded, as some images seem to show piles of SJ corpses.

takka_takka_takka

MemberOvomorphApr-25-2012 4:23 AM
Agreeing violently with OP on this one. Human intelligence was never on the menu. One Space Jockey (the Prometheus of the story) went rogue and decided to uplift our species. When we show up the other Jockeys flip their shit because we are half-breed abominations that should never have come about. So they do the only rational thing and decide to find out where we are from and clean up the rogue Jockey's mistake.

CanadaPhil

MemberOvomorphApr-25-2012 8:32 AM
^^^ Yep.. I have agreed basically with that premises for some time now as well. I think in the story, we HUMANS do NOT exist anywhere else in the entire Universe.. and we are sort of "in the likeness of the Engineers", because a small part of them was STOLEN by... a "Jockey" which is a completely different species than the Engineer. This has been kept secret from them, which really would not be that hard as I dont think the Blue Meanies get out all that much... At least they dont see the need to have travelled reqularly to Earth.. 390 TRILLION kms from Zeta-Reticulli !!... There servants, the "Jockeys" were the ones to handle all of their "delivery" work. So when "we" show up unannounced, it is not going to go over too well with those who "think" they are "in charge".
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