The Alien and Jockeys, Biomechanical…or just Biomechanical looking?

Neurion
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphMay 03, 20126050 Views28 RepliesOver the past year, I’ve read a lot of posts considering the notion of the Alien being actually biomechanical (biological and mechanical), perhaps as a result of crossing the android David with SJ technology and so on…etc…
For myself, I have never considered or held that the Alien was part machine or mechanical. Even though Giger’s style lends itself to that “look,” I’ve only ever imagined and felt that original Space Jockey, facehugger, and the Alien istelf was completely organic, right down to the metallic “looking” teeth in the first and (for my money) superior original design. To me, that’s part of what was so unique about that original design.
What do you guys think?
May 04, 2012
Lycans rule!!! The days are getting lesser. Cant wait to feast my eyes. Imo maybe we're all reading too much into every little detail. But seriously ya'll need to get over the fact that there are no xenos in this movie. 8)
May 04, 2012
I think we can all agree that the original SJ, fused in his chair, seemed to have been one entire flowing organic "mass". I don't believe that we were seeing anything skeletal in the sense that terran carbon-based life-form, especially mammals, have skeletons, but it appeared that what we were seeing was exo-skeletonish. Fossilized and fused mysteriously all complete with a chestburst exhibit. I never thought that a live SJ would be "fleshy", but instead would be quite similar to the Xeno, but the color of sand.
Enter Prometheus: We see grey looking SJs. Still not "fleshy", but appearing to have a common ancestor of the Xeno due to some common characteristics. I wouldn't be surprised if the SJs were silicon-based and also had acid for blood. I am highly skeptical that we are going to see the real SJs being "fleshy" putting themselves into an exo-skeletal suit that then makes them look like the original SJ and SJs we have seen.
Perhaps a lot of my bias emanates from the non-canonical comics that featured SJs. RS cab do what he wants for he has the license to fabricate anything while at the same time linking their look back to original SJ. I'm not hung up on this or anything. Simply bored and rambling on for the sake of entertaining discussion. Nothing more....
P.S. @vixen, I don't see any mention in this thread where anyone is discussing (let alone griping) that Xenos are not in Prometheus. I believe we're all happy they won't be. We're just talking about organic/non-organic properties of the SJs, FHs and Xenos.
May 04, 2012
@abordoli --- jip definetly not mentioned in this thread bt it seems to be genral feeling amungst some fans - not all- that they'd'wish to see the Xeno in there somewhere , afterall the alien is genius I don't think anything matches the design of Alien in sci-fi I was scared shitless the first time I saw the movie and I saw Aliens first and then Alien it was on cable and I was like 10 or 9. Yep left a big impact. So I am one of those wishful fans :)
May 04, 2012
@abordoli
Grow-Your-Own-Crystal kits, i had them.... now i wonder if we should have done a wacky experiment and played Bio Engineer/Jockey... and thats if we could only fuse the Grow-Your-Own-Crystal kit with the Grow Your Own Sea Monkeys....
Then again potentially that could have created something that maybe goes wrong, like 7ft Sea Monkeys and wipe out Mankind... lol oh well its kind of what i think the Engineers did with the Xeno a experiment that went AWOL.
As far as Bio Mechanical, well to me that means one thing... A Machine thats Living. But then we are already a living robot made from Organic Material.
I think in context with the movie, the term Bio Mechanical would mean a Technology and indeed maybe every day objects that the Engineers use that are 1) Part Living, or all living to a degree, 2) a Technolgy the Engineers can actually bond and fuse themselves with.
I look at it like this and i said in other threads. A Snake wears its Skin, and a Gorilla wears its Fur Coat as part of its own body, the skin/coat is as one it lives and is fused and part of the animal.
When we buy a fur Coat or a Snakeskin Jacket or Shoes, they are not fused as part of our own Organism, they are dead peices of Skin that we wear.
The Bio Engineers have created a suit that when worn would be like a Fur Coat that when worn actually becomes part of you, just as it is with a Gorilla and its Fur Coat.
The Juggernaught ship again is like say a Woden Ark/Ship but its not where the Wood is dead after being cut from the Tree. Its as if the Woden Boat is still alive just as the Wood was when it was a Tree.
As far as the Xeno, i do think that maybe the Xeno is a creation made years ago that involves manipulation and joining of the DNA that indeed is a part of the Cobra Worm and other Organanisms. But its also that DNA/Substance thats fused with a Bio Engineer.
With Mankind the options are....
1) We Evolved from Apes over Time (Darwin Evolution).
2) Created from nothing by Gods magic wand. (Bible Creation).
3) Created by a experiment/hybrid of Ape DNA and some Alien Race of Creators (Ancient Alien Creators).
Now if we switch that to the Xeno.
1) Is a Evolution of Organism that is related on a Evolution scale to the Organisms in Prometheus, like how Dog could be to Cat.
2) Created from Organisms and DNA and what ever else by the Engineers, a experiment just as say Mankind invented the Wheel.
3) A combination of all above, a Experiment using the DNA/Fire of the Engineers/Gods, with some kind of Organism and then mixed with a Engineer.
I go for option 3) Maybe it goes for the route that the Engineers created us by seeding their DNA with a Primative Primate. The Xeno is created by seeding their DNA with the Organism etc that is progenitor to all the forms of Alien DNA in those Urns.
Thus Engineer+ Ape makes Humans, Engineer plus other related to creatures in this movie DNA makes the Xeno.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
May 04, 2012
As far as the SJ and the Chair etc....
As i said i think their Tech is able to fuse with the Engineers.
It would be like how say a Snail that can leave its Shell and thus become a Slug then go back and fuse back with its Shell, or a Tortoise that can leave its Shell and be like a Lizard/Reptile and then go back and fuse with its Shell.
A Tortoise and Snail cant survive without its Shell it is actually fused to it, it would be like skinning a animal and i dont mean like shave a sheeps coat.
But the Engineers can fuse and unfuse with their suits and the Chair etc.
The purpose of the suits....
A combination of...
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And
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It helps them to breath in hostile places, i mean if they never needed it then why do they nee oxygen etc that the human crew can breath?
And it also is a protective suit they maybe wear for when they contuct their genetic experiments with the Organic Materials in those Urns.
The suit fuses to the Chair simply like a seat belt.
Lets imagine that the Chair is a Cannon, their is a window at the top of the Juggernaught/Derelict lets say this opens up while in Space.
The Blue Guy with no SJ Suit and if the Chair never fused him, would what, maybe die just like we would if we went into space with no space suit and also would be sucked into the vaccum of space.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
May 04, 2012
The more and more i look at pics of the xeno, it looks like a human in a helmeted spacesuit, with a "mouthburster" inside of him, mutated all together with "Engineer" dna.
May 04, 2012
@BigDave
Yeah, pretty much saying exactly what i said in regards to the chair, just elaborating a bit more. Really, it's the only logical way of looking at it. It doesn't look like it's mechanical... It clearly forms around the user. So i think we've got the SJ seat down, it's bio-mechanic, or bio-organic; controlled by their tech. Which... still pretty much makes it bio-mechanic. :)
@abordoli
You seem to be torn. You agree on the chair being organic, but you're skeptical about the function of the suit; forming over the user. Could you clarify?
I just looked at it that way because it's their tech, they use it. There's no way in hell a human could use the SJ seat. I mean, seriously, now. If it doesn't form around the user, how the hell does it work? If it's an entity on it's own, then... That's pretty word. Only explaination: That's a SJ who's premanently fused in that position, who serves as, yet again, some function of the ship, or controls functions of the ship. The ship itself, or it's features (bio-engineering aboard the ship).
Now that i think about it, that would be pretty neat, too. He would kinda be like the morbidly-obese vampire from the first Blade movie. Except, or course, with a much higher purpose :).