Why "new" Xenos in the movie?

@L. March Yes you are correct. People are talking about the creation of Xenos in Prometheus because they are ignorant and would rather wank their imaginations than read the facts (which I have repeatedly reiterated to them) that Ridley Scott has already confirmed that the Xeno as we have come to know them is millions of years old as is the derelict that crashed (sorry "Landed forceably") on LV-426 prior to the events in Alien. That being the case, it is easy to interface Scott's view of the Alien with the AvP view and the two have, up to this point, not conflicted with each other's plot points one bit.

@B1-66ER, I can agree about the non-conflict point you've made in the above post for I too am of the camp that "the Xeno as we have come to know them is millions of years old as is the derelict that crashed (sorry "Landed forceably") on LV-426".

I like Alien. I like Ridley Scott's 2 scifi movies. I would be on these forums if it was an all new ridley scott scifi as well. Everything else after to me isn't good. I actually strongly dislike them. The fact they never mention the Weyland from AvP one is more then enough to see that series has nothing to do with this one. Thank god. You figure if they wanted to accept AvP into cannon they would have given the first weyland some credit....they haven't at all. And it isn't like they haven't attached it via the website to every other alien film and yet no homage to either AvP movie. Like from the pulse rifles to prison colonies to pulse rifles have all been mentioned, but nothing tying in those 2. If they wanted it in there they would have mentioned it.

If I were a cineast trying to make a new version of an old "Alien fact", I would pretty much disregard any continuum brought by whatsoever sequels or the sake of the loose ends in the first movie I had done [on that perticular Alien case]. I'm into believieng that is pretty much what Sir Ridley is trying to do with Prometheus as said by him self: His interest in the case being the reason for the SJ and the derelict ship being there in the first place. That alone can be explored without touching what already has been done [in the sequels]. As much for the "Predator"... diferent characters from diferent universes should [in principle] stay apart from each other, since thay were not even pondered by that particular Director in the first place. The games were pretty neet at the time. I din't like the AVP movies though, and the general feeling I still have is that was done by a fan of both [different] universes characters. I like the Predator in his own universe as much I liked the Alien "xenomorph" in its' own universe. But that is that. With a bit of luck, Sir Ridley will feel that this new take on the SJ and derelict is a satisfying one enough for him to move on to other storys, rather than making sequels [a somewhat boring overly done thing]. But even if Sir Ridley intends to make a sequel, it would be something afar from "Alien(s)" wich is a very good thing [AVP games, books and the movies pretty much killed the StarBeast as an absolute horrific thing to encounter in space]. but that is just my humble opinion kudus, and sorry for the mispellings everyone

AVP only came from when they decided to put an Alien Skull on the ship in Predator 2.........its their fault lol

I know I'm beating a dead horse here and this topic will usually go on for about 8 or 9 pages Shane, but you say there is no homage to AVP on the website which is WeylandIndustrues.com, which is of course is the elephant in the room that nobody here wants to acknowledge as being that little bit of homage to AVP that you're talking about. Now I'm willing to see you're point that there's no mention of Bishop Weyland or Weyland Industries on the timeline which of course is out of place, but does still leave room to write it in if they wanted too, yet I know they probably won't. I'm wondering if Ridley was asked to leave something in from that franchise, so he did the name of the site, but then purposely left things out of the timeline not leaving more reference to the films.

@Shane : And, yeah, AvP is complete garbage. Sure, it's fun in a teenage boy on steroids kinda way if you're in the mood, but it AIN'T got nothing to do with "Alien"; the "Alien" in AvP may as well have been Alf...

How about this, if you guys didn't think that the movies were garbage and were actually really good, would it bother you then if they were considered canon? Do the Yautja really not fit into the storyline for all of you? Personally I think it's a cool concept and they fit well together; I'm just trying to get the bottom of the problem and whether it's just the disdain for the films themselves, or if you think the Predators have no place in the Alien universe simply because it doesn't feel right for you. BTW, I know a lot of you feel the films treated the Aliens as cannon fodder, but one Alien did take out two out of three Predators rather quickly, which shows they are not simply cannon fodder and actually just as deadly if not more than the Predator.

The AvP movies may be garbage but the idea is not. People who don't like AvP on the premise of keeping the franchises apart usually like to hate on Aliens also, since it is within the context of Aliens that the Predators fit quite well (also like to point out that James Cameron is in his element with Schwarzeneggar franchises). Ultimately the debate comes down to Aliens vs Alien and that debate is so tired and hopeless lets not even go there.

I thingk the idea of AvP is fucking great!!! Those who have read the books and comics know what I'm talking about. The problem is that Fox have lost the chance to make AvP a great movie...just that.

I agree that the idea of AvP is great as I own all the comics and it's good stuff. But I also have a Superman vs Alien comic and a Terminator vs Alien comic. Neat stuff, but I don't want movies focused on that because the comics were one-shot "gags". Predators vs Alien isn't that too far off, IMHO. I would have preferred that they left it in the comics and out of the movie theatres. But given lemons you make lemonade so one tries to find something redeeming in AvP1. There are some "silver nuggets" there. In AvP2, the only "nuggets" I can find are of the fecal kind. I'm sorry.....

That's how I look at it B1-66er ;-)

I feel the same way about the AVP films. Basically crappy films, the 2nd one being absolutely dreadful. The idea of having a film where both the predator and the xenomorph appear I think makes for an interesting film, but in this case it was poorly realized. I also agree with someone's comment about Avatar. I think it was Cypher? Great visuals, but boring story. Whether Ridley is deserving of all the praise and hype he gets from his loyal fan base, he probably did the make the best Alien film. Having said that, I do love Aliens. Although..I've gotta laugh at these comments. "It's like Alien on a inter-galactic serving of 'AMERICA...FUCK YEAH"." "Shit on a stick designed to make a unique movie appeal to action oriented jocks. Woo-fucking-hoo." LOL!

Wow, such hatred towards others that disagree! I am amazed, especially with this just being a movie, that some people have such disturbing emotions that they display toward their fellow man. I'm not even saying that I like the AvP movies, but they are scifi and have some of my favorite movie characters in them, regardless of whether the film stinks or not. The big point in all of this is no one has been able to refute anything I have said......Ridley Scott doesn't own the Alien franchise nor anything in the Alien Universe, it's all Fox, he's just part of the work force that does what they tell him to do, when it all is said and done, that's what happens. Yes, he might have some creative leeway, but if the Studio doesn't like it, guess what, REWRITE! So, why is there even an issue, they are movies and Fox can do whatever they care to do with their films. I think it would be so, so very funny if they decided to do the Prometheus sequel and put the Predator in the story line someway.......you know, they could do that and there would be nothing anyone could do......haha. By the way, no reason to be calling people that disagree with you names, and using bad language, after all what did I ever do to you? Have a nice day.......bye now.

Am I missing something? Have posts been removed? I'm not seeing where anyone has personally attacked anyone else in this thread. Ideas and movies, yes....but not people. If I'm wrong, please quote the personal attacks observed.

I've always loved the Alien movies, 1-4. However when I watched AvP and AvP Requeim I thought they were horrible, they almost ruined the Alien movie franchise magic. & of course because of that I found it impossible to watch Predator. Hasn't Ridley said that AvP and AvPR should be ignored as far as Prometheus plot goes? Anywyas, my main point was that AvP goes near top on my worst movies I've watched list, only reason I actually watched them/partly liked them was because the Xeno was in it and the pregnancy thing in AvPR was pretty cool.

Abordoli......how about a staff member......Spartacus calling me narrow minded, what do you call that?

"I say this is a very narrow minded post that shows a complete lack of understanding of the intended nature of the Film "Alien" !!!" A narrow minded post.......POST. Seems like he called the post narrow minded, not you. Why take things so seriously?

I apologize if it offended you 1st of all that's what Spartacus would call it. I think there are a lot worse things to be, but you never asked me why? I'll save you the time...you were Brutal with L March and I thought he had every right and guess what, I thought AVP killed the Alien Franchise as well !!! That was all it was. We can talk I am right here man...I respect ya !!!

Abordoli......how about a staff member, a staff member now......Spartacus calling me narrow minded, what do you call that? Perhaps "Shane" suggesting I need to be ashamed for my views and seek professional help for what I say on here. I don't know what you would call it? "A lack of understanding", what does that mean Abordoli? Does that mean I'm too stupid to understand anything, that I don't have the mental capabilities needed to comprehend?