What do the pictograms tell us?

[quote=abordoli][i]1) They only come every so often (every 1000 years) and we are due for another visit (ahem...Dec 2012...hint...hint.. ; ) ) 2) The SJs reached their civilization peak and are now a expiring race....no more visits.[/i][/quote] I knew there had to be a good reason for all this doom this year. It would be a good idea to try to figure out which earth cultures the "map pictogram" illustrations are associated with and see where they DO fine on our timeline. Point number 2 then leads to the question "why now, after all those eons?" Perhaps they made too many mistakes in the lab and it's literally come back to bite them (from the inside out). I am assuming that the stars in the illustrations in question are meant to mirror something like, if not precisely, the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleiades]Pleiades[/url]. [img]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pleiades_large.jpg[/img]

[quote=abordoli][i]1) They only come every so often (every 1000 years) and we are due for another visit (ahem...Dec 2012...hint...hint.. ; ) ) 2) The SJs reached their civilization peak and are now a expiring race....no more visits.[/i][/quote] I knew there had to be a good reason for all this doom this year. It would be a good idea to try to figure out which earth cultures the "map pictogram" illustrations are associated with and see where they DO fine on our timeline. Point number 2 then leads to the question "why now, after all those eons?" Perhaps they made too many mistakes in the lab and it's literally come back to bite them (from the inside out). I am assuming that the stars in the illustrations in question are meant to mirror something like, if not precisely, the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleiades]Pleiades[/url].

I believe the constellation in the movie is a "fictional" cluster or that of Zeta Reticula but the basis for the "pictograms" is true. There are 2 major constellations that permeate throughout human history, found all over the world, and in different times. These 2 constellations in the ancient world were Pleiades and Orion. The pyramid/temple complexes in Egypt, India, and South America were positioned in alignment with these. It is said the ancients believed the stars that make up Orion's belt is where planets are born and The pleiades is where the beings that created earthlife are from. The Egyptians equated the two star clusters to Osiris (Father) and Isis (Mother). Genesis = Genes of Isis. The South American societies related the same idea, but had different names for them. The best pinpoint for these pictograms is to reference the Sumerian tablets because they pre-date any other known religion/society. Most of the religions(hindu, egyptian, abrahmic, Incan/Aztec/Mayan) developed after the Sumerian downfall (the deluge/flood) base their religions on the the Sumerian account. RS has stated that he based the SJ culture on Persian Culture. This would be Sumerian, Babylonian, and early Hindu/Vedic religions. Side note, in ufology circles, The famous Grey Aliens are said to come from Orion and Zeta Reticula and are described as bio mechanical, cyborgs. The Sumerians called them the Igigi (Watchers,Archons,Ant People). They were known as "pilots/air force" and the Lesser Gods. The Pleiadeans are described as Blonde haired, blue eyed Giants who harness the power of spirit. They are known as Angels, Aryans, Nordics, Tall Whites. The Annunaki, which are the Gods proper to the Sumerians and Igigi, are depicted as Giant Reptilian Warriors dressed in armor and masks. (Feathered Serpents, Nagas, Dragons, Snake People). They revere Blood and Lineage (bloodlines and human sacrifice). They gain their power through physical force and domination. Combine all three genetically, and we get whats looks like to me, the Jockey we see in the trailers. They also represent a holy trinity of sorts, Mind (greys), Body (reptilians), and Soul (pleiadeans). The combination/product of which is Human Beings.

The Sumerian tablets were created using something like a fat, wide rolling pin with the inverse carvings wrapped around the barrel. I'll find pics later. The tablets were rolled out, so to speak, and the end product eas a flat rectangular tablet with dimensions dictated by the imprinting roller. What was curious about some of these tablets, one in particular, is a representation of our solar system. Everything was accurate except their picture had a planet that does not exist anymore. The remnants of that planet, today, are the asteroid belt between Earth and Mars. The planet was inhabited with not just life, but intelligent life. I will furnish proof and more details later if anyone is interested. We used to not be alone...........

@ Galzu, @abordoli, First of all, thank you, both of you for this very civilized, informative discussion. @abordoli Are you talking about a methodology for duplicating large, ceremonial tablets? It is my understanding that scribe apprentices in Sumer began their careers by learning how to make their own tablets and the vast majority of those were small pillow-like forms. @Galzu, Who are the Mesoamerican equivalents to Osiris and Isis?

@ Galzu, @abordoli, First of all, thank you, both of you for this very civilized, informative discussion. @abordoli Are you talking about a methodology for duplicating large, ceremonial tablets? It is my understanding that scribe apprentices in Sumer began their careers by learning how to make their own tablets and the vast majority of those were small pillow-like forms. @Galzu, Who are the Mesoamerican equivalents to Osiris and Isis?

Methodology of mythology...Now you got me interested but I don't think aliens really had to anything to do with our real history...People are believing that aliens created the pyramids but that's not proof that magic didn't make them. Not to say that I'm not against there being other life in the universe. I am more open to other demonsions out there. If there is other intelligent entities in the universe they are faced with the same hidden complex universality of morals. "To shoot the alien or not to shoot him?" I guess it's kind of popular notion that aliens would think out side of the box compared to what humans think the box is. If we are the only intelligent life in the universe...well I hope to make it a good one. Better put it down in stone eh?

[img]http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9738/20120208nebuchadnezzar2.jpg[/img] [url=http://factsanddetails.com/world.php?itemid=1525&catid=56&subcatid=363]SOURCE[/url] Above is the Sumerian "rolling-pin" (they call it a barrel) that I was referring to. It wasn't their only way, but it was a quick way to publish a "writing" very quickly and cheaply. [img]http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6922/sumarianscroll2.jpg[/img] [url=http://musingsfrommarsh.blogspot.com/2011/03/12212012is-it-to-be-or-not-to-be.html]SOURCE[/url] Above is the specific ancient Sumerian table that I was talking about on which our solar system is depicted accurately (including the planet that is now an asteroid belt between Earth and Mars). I will let you read the article (the second SOURCE link) to make up your mind as to whether or not YOU believe that planet existed (and, yes, it had a name). Galzu[quote] "@ abordoli Wipe that brown stuff off your face. You are so off base on so many levels. "Lighten the mood of a thread" Really? Five posts in? "Welcome to the internet" Really? Why even have mods then?. Im sorry the thinking Folk oppose your short attention span."[/quote] I stand corrected. I apologize.

Osiris in the meso religions would be Q'uq'umatz (Kulkulkan/Quetzlcoatl) Isis was actually known as Isis which is cool. During my researching i came across this which is awesome [img]http://www.resurrectisis.org/IsisAmC2_files/BeardedOlmec1z3.jpg[/img]

[quote=Ruhaniya][i]If we are the only intelligent life in the universe...well I hope to make it a good one. Better put it down in stone eh?[/i][/quote] My husband and I were talking about this idea of "If we are the only intelligent life in the universe..." the other day. We agreed that it is highly unlikely statistically that we will be the only intelligent species in the universe EVER, but it also seems statistically unlikely that considering the vast time scales and size of the universe that we would end up encountering each other (or even that we would exist at the same time). HOWEVER, if the Engineer culture is really really old, then they will understand that things (buildings even) that are intended to persist for a very very long time will need to be self-regenerating (which will require a food source on a living world) or it will need to be in stone. I very much appreciate your recognizing that (even if not in direct reference to humanity). A lot of people have said they find it very odd that the Engineer culture's writing on screen seems to be in stone, but I feel it makes perfect sense for something like an ancient temple complex. [quote=abordoli][i]Above is the Sumerian "rolling-pin" (they call it a barrel) that I was referring to. It wasn't their only way, but it was a quick way to publish a "writing" very quickly and cheaply.[/i][/quote] I'm a little dubious about the "cheaply" aspect of this. It's my understanding that these royal cylinders and also prisms: [img]http://www.bankingonbaghdad.com/download/jpgs/Cuneiform%20Prism%20LR.jpg[/img] were created at great expense, often to be buried ceremonially in the foundations of temples, etc. somewhat in the mind of an engraved cornerstone. The tradition of seals that were designed to be pressed or rolled into clay seems to predate cuneiform itself. Regarding the various potentialities about Nibiru, Mayan Doom, etc... I'll let my own jury be out on that. ;•) [quote=Galzu][i]Osiris in the meso religions would be Q'uq'umatz (Kulkulkan/Quetzlcoatl). Isis was actually known as Isis which is cool.[/i][/quote] I've never heard of Isis being associated with Mesoamerica (linguistically, or otherwise). That's very interesting. I'm really only familiar with Ixchel as a prominent female deity among the Maya. On "Pan Mother Goddess" sites only she is often conflated with Isis, Innana/Ishtar, Amaterasu, etc., but I'm not used to seeing that out of traditional academia. The Olmec colossal heads are amazing. I've seen this one in person in San Francisco: [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XWr0PLsObMs/RmZjaY-NWlI/AAAAAAAAABs/0WO9LUWePN0/s400/head4best.jpg[/img] I'm pretty sure that the production designers took these and the Moai and possibly even the faces of the buddhas at Angkor into consideration when coming up with the iconic head in Prometheus. [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZgLljZQ7_SM/TrEXYQrmK6I/AAAAAAAAApg/pVZ3tPbHrS0/s1600/Moai.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.veloasia.com/images/angkor/angkor_thom2.jpg[/img] The seams on the head in the film remind me of the seaming that occurs on the [i]Daibutsu[/i] in Kamakura Japan. Of course they did the film's head at a very different scale, because they could. ;•) [img]http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/pixeltopia/default/great-buddha-kamakura-japan--large-msg-126030453221.jpg[/img] Note the seams that are so prominent near the base through the robe. They seem to have taken that even further in the film. The [i]Daibutsu[/i] is hollow. The seams on the inside are much much more pronounced.

Nice finds Sukkal! About Isis, the name you provided is most likely more accurate using their language. From all i have been able to find, It seems that the Olmecs where there first, then were visited by Quetzlcoatl and his "Serpent Goddess" which began the transition into a different religion/culture. Winged serpent dragon imagery from all over the world originates in the ancestral religion of Isis. Isis is also known as the "Serpent Goddess". This also leads into her being Innana (sumerian)/Ishtar (babylonian). Early hindu/buddhist peoples and Native Americans revered the Nagas (Snake People) as the primary dieties. Naga literally means "Hooded serpent". There are Native American accounts of how the Ant people and Snake People rescued/saved them from a huge cataclysm (War in Heaven/Flood) by taking them deep underground. They then went back to the surface after it ended. This is very similar to the Australian Aboriginee peoples' respect for the Rainbow Serpent. (i think the rainbow serpent is a strip of horizontal multicolored lights seen if looking at a saucer or cigar shaped ufo head on. If the lights are bright enough you wont even see the craft just the "rainbow snake".) They state that Black Mountain is the entrance to an Underground Realm where the Rulers of the Earth reside and that they are Serpent People. This is congruent with the theory that the SJ's revere some kind of pure xenomorph (which to me have always been "Space Dragons" or "Heavenly Serpents") as their God, supreme being, or as Ash put it "the perfect organism" There are two camps that debate that "Winged or Feathered Serpent" means they have wings and can fly (physically) or that they have ships (vimanas) representing the wings/feathers and are from the sky, but are Reptilian/Serpentine in physical appearance.(think Enemy mine or V) Side note-in the xfiles mythology, the alien is born as a reptilian being, gets bigger than a man, metamorphs and sheds its skin to become a small Grey alien. Then as the grey alien ages, they become really tall.

When you supposed to receive the book? I'm have get me a copy too. Asia Proper, Oh my, i havent even began trying to tackle their take on Dragons. All i know (before i crash) is the old (maybe even new) Royalty claimed rights to rule by being of Dragon lineage, which are presented in a more "holy and Saintly" way. Then there is also the Utsuro Bune legend from Japan. I have always preferred the Chinese and Japanese depictions and myths of Dragons over others. They are so Majestic and Honorable.

.... Pretty much agree with Galzu and Sukkal and sorry that biomechanic left.

The [i]nagas[/i] also remind me of Chinese dragons [img]http://kumanoseinai.img.jugem.jp/20120108_1795551.jpg[/img] and that then points me back to the cobra swimming through the "black oil" on the floor (which I wish had not seen, but I did...). If I'm correct, that's all in the room with the urns, the writing on which looks very much like old Chinese to me. [img]http://masempul.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/urn-glyphs.jpg[/img] The only issue is that Chinese dragons are not nasty. But again, I think this all gets kind of hodge-podgey when it goes into a film. I agree with you that the Engineers seem to worship/honor/deify these "demons" base on the imagery in the "temple." I've ordered the Art Book and am very hopeful that it will talk a lot about all of this. [img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31Rj7YcfPSL._SS500_.jpg[/img]

The book won't arrive until the 12th of June. :•( I do LOVE the "strange writing" that was supposed to be all over the inside of the [i]Utsuro-bune[/i]. [img]http://www.yaji-kita.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/uturobune01.png[/img] And it's fascinating to look at the Japanese language used in the descriptive callouts because it too is archaic and therefore a bit "mysterious" in and of itself with [i]"-nite"[/i] and [i]"-tari"[/i] all over the place. In the "line of mysterious text" (at the upper right) the 2nd 'character' looks vaguely like "KING" so that certainly adds a nice air of reinforcement to the story.

This is my most favorite depiction of a dragon in the Chinese style in the entire world. It's a small fountain outside of of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rinnō-ji]Rinnoh-ji[/url] in Nikko, Japan. [url=http://masempul.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Nikkou-no-ryuu.jpg][img]http://masempul.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Nikkou-no-ryuu.jpg[/img][/url] The body is just perfect the way it wraps around the vessel and it's directly associated with water. Brilliant! Here is [url=http://www.adeenidesigngroup.com/blog/2012/01/23/year-of-the-dragon/]a lot more on dragons in the Chinese tradition[/url] that you'll likely find interesting.

Awesome Statue. From what i recall, the 4 primary Dragons of China represented the 4 Winds and lived in the deep ocean....water dragons. (water of life, etc.) Whats really weird is the symbols on the Utsuro Bune craft match the "style" used in ancient alchemy and those recorded off of the Rendlesham UFO from the 80's [img]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/42f9c921ec48.jpg[/img]

If the SJ did not want the human species to follow in their footsteps, they would not have left breadcrumbs for us to follow... I agree with the Kat in Space, it's just too much awesome for one feline to handle. LOL