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fogbankbob
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 10:51 PMHi, I am not aware if this has been brought up so here goes. Does David the android breathe? I ask because in some of the pics I've seen he is wearing the space suit all be it without the helmet. But this would lead me to believe that at some point he was using the helmet. If so, then I assume he would breathe, right? But why would someone create a android that needs to breathe? Wouldn't that actually be considered a weakness? I mean think about it. You have a android on board your spaceship. You travel a vast distance. Any robot would or should have as a prime function to protect the crew. So here you possibly are on a alien planet and your expensive android is killed off because of lack of air.
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abordoli
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 10:58 PMCongratulations! A unique topic on THIS forum!
Well, we see him wearing a helmet and he doesn't take it off till he reaches the breathable air inside the silo (temple). So he probably does.

jamiereno1971
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:03 PMIm sure his breathing is the equivelant of him eating or drinking... realizm, not neccesity.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:11 PMIf he is like Ash and eats (not sure why Bishop gave his tray away), then breathing might be essential to some kind of android respiration to aid digestion. Of course, Ash could have been packing food into a cavity just keeping up appearances, but you gotta wonder about the "milk". I assume it was a blood equivalent and if these androids are a step below replicants (that MUST eat, breath, s__t, etc.) then quite possibly an early model such as David (model 8) might certainly be breathing out of necessity (not just for appearance's sake).

Cypher
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:12 PMI wondered that about Ash to be honest......... He eats and drinks, but I'm guessing that was just to help him blend in with the Nostromo's crew. Everyone on board the Prometheus knows David is an android, so does he try to maintain using human like attributes to make THEM feel more comfortable around him?
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:16 PM@fogbankbob KUDOS MAN !
a most imaginative and original thought !

craigamore
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:20 PMI would add this....we do know that other human crew take off their helmets inside the structure....so we know they can breathe, maybe he does to...who knows?

Svanya
AdminPraetorianMay-07-2012 11:26 PMLinking may super fave link about Androids for the 300th time, LOL!
It says they need a similar atmosphere and pressure and humans. Also, they can eat but gain no nutrition from it. Do have a look at the link, and don't be scared off because some AVP stuff is there or you might miss out. :P
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abordoli
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:26 PMWow! The search-bots picked this new thread up 7 minutes ago. That is fast!
I did find this:
"'Why are youwearing one of those suits? You don’t have to breathe.' It ends up withDavid [Michael Fassbender] saying, 'Not too close, I hope,' referring tobeing told, 'We’re making you guys just like us.' You don’t know who’sinsulting who there. That’s when those turn-abouts starts to occur."
I'll allow you guys to speculate....
The complete conversation which the above excerpt was taken:
"
Here is a quote from Ridley about how David is treated by human crew:
How did you approach the android and what he would be capable of?
Ridley Scott:
"What was important was the story. There’s nothing new about an
android. There’s nothing new about a robot. That idea is 800 years old.
So then, embrace what it is. By embracing it, he becomes that much more
interesting because he’s just part of the ship. In a sense, he’s not
just a butler, but he’s housekeeper and maintenance man who legitimately
does not need to sleep. From that, then he also becomes extremely
useful during the story, as it evolves. There’s a great scene where
Holloway [played by Logan Marshall-Green]
is actually a bit of a bitch, occasionally, says, 'Hey, you, boy!,' to
him. I thought that was real cheeky. And then he says, 'Why are you
wearing one of those suits? You don’t have to breathe.' It ends up with
David [Michael Fassbender] saying, 'Not too close, I hope,' referring to
being told, 'We’re making you guys just like us.' You don’t know who’s
insulting who there. That’s when those turn-abouts starts to occur."
http://movies.about.com/od/prometheus/a/ridley-scott-michael-fassbender-damon-lindelof.htm
I remember one more interview, when it was talked about (Holloway having more problems with accepting David than others have), but I can't remember which interview it was.
"
From Svanya's link above (fascinating read, btw):
"Those androids designed for close social interaction with humans are able to eat and drink, though they gain no nutrients from anything they consume. Food and drink is broken down in an artificial stomach cavity, and the resulting liquid is expelled via a retractable catheter."
Retractable catheter? I wonder if they are capable of sex using a retractable catheter?

jamiereno1971
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:27 PM I also wonder if a facehugger can infact impregnate an android or synthetic lifeform. wouldnt it need nourishment to develope?

Forever War
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:38 PMNot only does he appear to breathe, he weeps as well, most disturbingly when he claims to merely understand emotions, not experience them himself. I'm not sure what to make of the attention he gives to painting the female model....if this were a human male, after listening to his list of "specs", I might be tempted to label this particular behavior as passive aggressive...he can't seem to keep from a lot of attention to that female figurine's head.
Sounds as if he's channeling HAL9000 also.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:40 PMHE'S GAY!
not that there's anything wrong with that.
BONUS ANSWER TO ANOTHER "MUTHER"
[quote]I also wonder if a facehugger can infact impregnate an android or synthetic lifeform. wouldnt it need nourishment to develope?[/quote]
NOT A CHANE IMO, NEEDS TO BE AN ORGANIC LIFE FORM FOR IT TO WORK.

FREEZE!
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:45 PMBishop, slept but didn't eat. still had a milky substance for blood. In my opinion the most human so far... haven't seem David in action, but he seems already very robotic
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:48 PMDAVID8 "PROLLY" PLEASURES HIMSELF WHILE BREATING HEAVY AT NIGHT THINKING ABOUT HAL9000!

Svanya
AdminPraetorianMay-07-2012 11:48 PMGuys just look at the link I posted. Seriously, It has all the answers.
And to Spartacus! Me and Bella are gonna smack you silly for saying that about David! >.<

Cyberdeath
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:50 PMThe answer is: of course David breathes. Do you think Micheal Fassbender could hold his breath for the duration of every shot for the movie? even while he's delivering lines?

Forever War
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:50 PMWell, David does get a shot of milky liquid, at which point he flexes. I guess he's in the Ash/Bishop in some way.

FREEZE!
Co-AdminMemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:52 PMmaybe soooo
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Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:53 PMMichael Fassbender couldn't hold up three fingers properly for g-d's sake...lmfao...quick eveybody DUCK, Svanya's gonna throw something at me, "prolly" a small building !!!

Cyberdeath
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:54 PMSpartacus, your icon makes me want to give you an umbrella

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-07-2012 11:59 PMI was referring to Rutger "Shirley" you do remember him right?
wait, allow me to answer that for you...
[b]"I remember him, and don't call me Shirley"[/b]

Svanya
AdminPraetorianMay-08-2012 12:00 AMDirect quote from the site:
"Although an android's cosmetic appearance would seem to be a superfluous feature, practical experience has shown that most humans are psychologically unable to interrelate with an inhuman-looking android; as a result, the physical appearance and simulated behavior patterns of android units are designed to particular specifications. Their personalities, idiosyncrasies aside, can best be described as passive or non-threatening.
The modern Synthetic is a highly complex machine: stronger, faster and better coordinated than an average human. The basic chassis is a carbon fiber skeleton with latchment point for the artificial musculature. The muscles are vat-grown silicon colloids powered either by pumped micro-hydraulics or electrical stimulation. Power for the android is supplied by a 25 kilowatt power cell with a life of approximately 400 days between recharging. This power cell is located within the android's chest, and access is via a hidden socket located just underneath the rib-cage. Charging time can vary, though it usually takes at least 72 hours to fully charge the standard power cells fitted into modern day androids.
As in a human, the skeletal structure is inherently unstable and is effectively suspended by the musculature. No limb locking, join motorization or gyro-stabilization is present as in other anthropomorphic frames such as power loaders. Instead, the muscles must work actively to keep the chassis standing upright while active feedback systems control its stability. Muscle layout and operation, as with certain other internal function, are homologous with those of the human body. The circulatory fluid is a form of white liquid latex used to lubricate their interior systems.
Despite their advantage in speed and strength over human and their impervious to pain, androids are not especially tough. Indeed by comparison they are somewhat fragile. Though the skeletal structure of an android is sturdy, the electronics and fluid musculature are extremely vulnerable to hydrostatic shock and explosive effects from small arms fire. A direct fire to the central processor (located in the head) or power cell will result in immediate deactivation of a unit, though in most cases a partially destroyed android can continue to function, albeit handicapped. In hostile environments, synthetics require a similar breathable atmosphere. Corrosive atmospheres will melt them, extreme pressure will squash them flat and hard vacuum will explode them. While they are waterproof, their internal workings are extremely vulnerable to hydro-static shock. An android immersed in water that has been damaged to the point where internal workings are exposed to the risks of being electrocuted.
Those androids designed for close social interaction with humans are able to eat and drink, though they gain no nutrients from anything they consume. Food and drink is broken down in an artificial stomach cavity, and the resulting liquid is expelled via a retractable catheter.
The Synthetic's mind is an integrated Carbon 60 processor with a processing speed of 1015 floating point operations per second. Memory capacity includes 1 terabyte of fast cache buffer RAM and 1.2 Terabyte of non-volatile memory. The system is constructed around a very powerful heuristic logic driver, making decisions based upon imported sensory data, information drawn from experience and the android's vast inbuilt databases. Intuitive functions are derived from a suite of nested contextual and semantic programs linked by self-mapping loops of tangled hierarchies.
However, an android's ability to understand and process abstract concepts and symbolism, though powerful, is limited. A Synthetic mind and personality is essentially a construct, and there is no true self-awareness as such, though this may not be all apparent to an untrained observer interacting with a unit.
Androids display synthesized emotion, superficially register self-awareness and, most importantly of all, have the ability to reason, conceptualize and offer opinion. However, these capabilities do not infer human-like consciousness, even though for all other intents and purposes synthetics are artificial intelligence. Ironically, it is revealed in "Aliens vs. Predator (2010)", even if you shoot off the heads of one the androids, they still appear to function. This may have been a design choice made specifically to decentralize the machine's intellectual capability. This model likely had a smaller brain located in it's more armored torso at the cost of far less accuracy. A secondary result is the psychological advantage the machine would have over humans in battle."
P.S-Spartacus is a meanie!

NC77
MemberOvomorphMay-08-2012 12:00 AMEven if he doesn't breathe it's in his and the companies best interest for him to suit up and wear a helmet. His own self preservation, his cost to the company and his role on the ship while others sleep. The suit and helmet provide air pressure, protection from the environment, not to mention basic protection from shrapnel or any other accident that may occur. If I had a 100mil dollar android you bet your ass he'd be suited up and wearing a helmet if we went hiking on a alien planet! :D

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-08-2012 12:03 AMya but I am a 15 Handicap at Golf, I bet I could Kick Both David8's and Michael Fast Blender's asses !
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