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tech is FAR too advanced

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msepsis

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 10:58 AM
I've seen grumbles of this here and there on these threads, I'm not voicing anything new here but after curing a little boredom this morning browsing the weyland site, especially the "electronics" page I'm wondering - if prometheus takes place in the Alien universe before the alien movies we've seen a million times, where was all this tech in Alien and Aliens? Am I going to have to pretend I'm a gullible 18 year old kid to enjoy this movie like I had to do to sit through phantom menace the first and only time I saw it? I appreciate all the time and thought that went into designing these things like the spectagraph, and the modular computing device, etc etc but it's WAY overkill on the tech side. Sorry I just don't buy the excuse that Alien was just truckers in space so they were using lower grade tech. If spectagraphs were available in 2073, wouldn't they also be available A CENTURY LATER in 2179 (when Aliens supposedly took place)? Finding Newt would have been a cinch had Ripley just used a spectagraph!! There had better be far more giger design in this flick than there is fancy tech design. I feel the same sense of (Art) Director Fail that I had in the weeks leading up to the release of phantom menace. No sci fi director has ever been able to successfully pull this prequel thing off yet, and I fear prometheus is going to fall into that pile. It's cool eye candy but terribly flawed from a chronology standpoint from all I've seen so far. It will be hard to get past that for me. I wish some director one day will be able to successfully pull off a believable prequel, cause all this tech 100 years earlier is just insulting. I think to have convincingly pulled off the chronology from a technology standpoint would have been far more impressive to me than all the sexy looking medpods, spaceships all driven by sexy looking glowing multi-color touchscreens. Nostromo had a monochrome CLI a century later for christs sake!!!
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azalard

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 12:13 PM
@ Patch - I totally agree! For a Sci-Fi nut like myself, I love to see all the tech they're showing on the web. It makes the movie more 'real' to me. It connects with me in a way that others film don't necessarily.

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MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 12:14 PM
msepsis, please understand I am not idolizing RS but just trying to further a point that I have sometimes found at odds with my own perception of the technology that is displayed in a movie. There are many examples that try but fail to show an advance civilization, Star Trek anyone... So please understand your point is well taken and yes makes for a lively discussion, but it is all just fun.

OrganicLife

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 12:14 PM
The argument that this is a top of the line research ship as compared to a space tug or [i]even[/i] a military vessel and crew is extremely relevant. The idea here being that no expense was spared, this is absolutely EVERYTHING that our society has at the time, technology wise. Even in ALIENS, they wouldn't necessarily have access to some things, possibly due to an undesirable cost/benefit ratio or the fact that it may be technology invented, held, and used exclusively by the Weyland corporation.

pharmD

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 12:21 PM
I mentioned in a different forum movie making technology is ever evolving and improving. RS is doing so great things with this film visually and I love it. Wondering why the Nostromos and crew were not as equipped as the Prometheus crew or vessel should not be a way of trying to question the film makers reasoning of using the great tech for this film. This is the natural order of things when movies in a franchise are made decades after the original. I think what you should take away from this is: "What happened in the period between the Weyland Industries backed Prometheus mission and the Weyland-Yutani company backed Nostromos mission?" RS said he always wanted to return to this. I think he is giving us a glimpse into why things seem so different between the movies in this timeline of 49 years separation of the missions. (Even though this is not an official prequal to Alien! Ha)

Newtella

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 1:02 PM
chthon: "This is easy. The Clone Wars set technology back 200 years. Everyone knows that. " I wholeheartedly back chthon up on this excellent thesis. @mspesis: Knowing that RS is creating a movie for a tech-savvy 21st century audience aside, I see your point about the tech difference. How can an Alien [i]prequel[/i] tech look [b]so[/b] far advanced compared to the [i]Alien[/i] tech that supposedly came [i]much[/i] later? How 'bout this synopsis? Since Prometheus was supposedly more at the beginning/middle of deep space exploration, so the ship tech/ suit tech was designed to cover every known possible contingent / danger about exploring deep space. By the time the [i]Alien[/i] story came out, the space tech had relaxed a bit, and who cares about a motley crew of miners compared to the heroic band of explorers that maybe the whole Earth was keeping tabs on at the time? (Unless this was another private Company enterprise...) In the end, who knows of course until we see the film. When in doubt, I always do my fave quote from 'Blazing Saddles:' [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10&feature=related]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10&feature=related[/url]

beyondthebloodplain

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 12:34 PM
@msepsis You may stifle a yawn in the theatre if you go to this movie, because you will not get past the objection you raised regarding tech level. In order to accept the apparent discontinuity (progress is inevitable, the future is always more advanced than the past, etc., etc.) requires suspension of disbelief, and you've already rationalized your way to an impass. That's ok, the whole world ain't going to see this movie.

Syphonox

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 12:41 PM
I like sc-fi, and in particular the Alien stuff. It really has nothing to do directly with RS. As myself, Organiclife, and others have pointed out...there are decent explanations for the technology gap. To me, those reasons, and the logical reason of looking at when Alien was made vs. when Prometheus was made are enough for me to say, "ok."

abordoli

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 1:10 PM
One more insult thrown out in this thread, it gets locked. I'm tired of removing all the back-and-forth insults. -abordoli (staff)

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MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 1:20 PM
Please lock this thread abordoli, it's like self-mutilation... not pretty and is not productive.

abordoli

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 1:22 PM
Agreed.

artyoh

MemberOvomorphMay-16-2012 1:33 PM
I think they should have gone with a retro vibe, as well. Abacuses instead of computers. Slabs of black slate, instead of flatscreens. Everyone dressed in animal skins with unshaven faces, legs and armpits. They could have everyone stick their arms out of the port-holes and flap them to get the ship going faster. The hull could be made of roughly finished stone and logs tied together with thick, hemp ropes. They could name the ship: "The Shard" and the main character names could be Fred, Barney, Wilma and Betty. The Engineers could look just like the rock-monster from "Galaxy Quest." The movie could end with Fred chained to a rock, while a pterodactyl gnaws on his his tie.
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