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MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 5:54 PMNew RS interview in Rolling Stone...the foul mouthed bastard!
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John D.
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:44 PMWe should thank our lucky stars that the rights [b]don't[/b] belong to a video game company [i]*cough*SuperMarioBros.*cough*[/i]

Alien Drone
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:51 PMGo to any court in the land to decide who owns the movie or any movie and they will say, whoever paid for it. That's just the way it is. If Fox loved Ridley so much and thought his was the only vision, why all the other movies? Is Fox in it to make money, you bet they are, is Ridley making movies to make money, you bet he is! They all are.

Alien Drone
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 8:56 PMI really doubt that Ridley Scott has the money that Rupert Murdoch has. He owns 20th Century Fox.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:04 PMthat's wrong, Ridley is NOT doing this for the money, he does it CLEARLY because he wants to and loves the creative process, that much is 100% undebateable by me. Owning a movie and controlling what goes in it are two entirely completely different things!!! They asked Ridley to come back over and over and he could not in each case because of prior commitents and they were then ones who decided to exploit the franchise for more money...
In the past almost 35 Years or more of this THERE IS BUT ONE AND ONLY ONE DOCUMENTED CASE IN WHICH THE SUITS AT FOX STEPPED IN AND CHANGED ANY PART OF ANY CREATIVE OR ANY PART OF ANY CREATIVE PROCESS IN ANY OF THE 6 FILMS AND IT WAS THE STORYBOARD FOR ACT 3 OF ALIEN IN WHICH PREPARED BOARDS WHICH SHOWED THE ALIEN SEXUALLY ASSAULTING RIPLEY THEN BITING OFF HER HEAD, AND THEN SITTING DOWN IN HER COMMAND CHAIR AND COMMUNICATING WITH EARTH IN HER VOICE.
IT IS THE ONE AND ONLY TIME SUITS AT FOX EVER WERE INVOLVED IN ANY CREATIVE OR CREATIVE PROCESS OF ANY OF THE 4 FILMS OTHERS THAN BUDGETARY CONCERNS!!!
THE COURTS HAVE HAD 100% OF NO SAY FOR ALL 35 OF THESE YEARS!!!
LMFAO !!!
AND AGAIN SCOTT COULD BUY FOX 50 TIMES OVER AND CREATE AND PAY FOR ANY ALIEN FILM HE WANTED HIMSELF AND FOX COULD NEVER DO A BLOODY THING TO STOP HIM IMO AND WOULDN'T EVEN BOTHER TRYING!!!
THE ONLY REASON THEY HAVE SCOTT WORKING ON THIS NOW IS THEY BEGGED HIM TO COME BACK...LITERALLY, BEGGED HIM, AND THE PRICE FOR THAT WITH ANY CREATIVE DIRECTOR SUCH AS SCOTT IS 100% FULL ARTISTIC AND CREATIVE CONTROL WHICH i BELIEVE FOX HAS STATED SEVERAL TIMES NOW THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY GIVEN HIM FOR THIS PROJECT!!!

Neurion
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:13 PMcan•on
noun
1. an ecclesiastical rule or law enacted by a council or other competent authority and, in the Roman Catholic Church, approved by the pope.
2. the body of ecclesiastical law.
3. the body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a field of study or art: the neoclassical canon.
4. a fundamental principle or general rule: the canons of good behavior.
5. a standard; criterion: the canons of taste.
I think that the word “Canon” has been bastardized to the point that it no longer has any solid meaning …at least in regard to films. It’s a word based in Greek, that basically means “measuring rod.” In times past, it was used to label what was canonical/authentic bible scripture…an what was not.
Qustion here is: Who is the pope of the Alien Universe…Ridley Scott or Fox?
For myself, I have always gone with Ridley…in the past. And I see Fox as sort of heretics…if you will, vying for a different, inferior, and cheapened version of the ALIEN Universe...or at least settling for it.
However, I think that Scott at least respects Cameron’s ALIENS (just as I do), otherwise he would not have referenced it in the new film; LV223, WeylanD, etc…
~N

CrazyDave55811
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:13 PMSir Ridley is a workaholic? Honestly, that term, "workaholic", is such a degrading word. It shouldn't have to be degrading but people make it to be disrespectful towards people who could actually, God help us all, [i]love[/i] to work. I personally think it's better to be a workaholic than to be an unproductive twat who only believes in partying and destroying his body with substance-abuse and what-not.....no offense to anyone here who likes to party; if you do, that's all well and good. My point is that sometimes it's the workaholic element that insures that your own creation is at its most perfect state. It's just that nobody can understand what it's like; they all just go "Oh you work too hard on your little project; get outside and enjoy life and stuff," and stuff.
As for how much he's getting paid.....that I don't know. Everybody knows that actors get paid astronomical amounts, but I think directors get jack-shit compared to them, and as such they only have their reputations and creative potential to bask in.

CrazyDave55811
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:25 PM@[b]Spartacus[/b]
Thanks. ^-^ Granted, I say this because I myself am a creator....or rather, creative; I've always been called "creative" throughout my life, now that I think about it. I've got my own little projects, which I hope to one day publish in the future....but my fear is that my own work could be "legally stolen", as I call it, not to mention that my work would have to be whored in order to keep up with the competition. I think my works would be better as videogames, but for now it's all concept art and other stuff. Though recently I've been on hiatus with them, and have been deriving creativity with MikuMikuDance videos, which is my first attempt at 3D, polygonal stuff....
...but enough about me. Anyway, I read the rest of the interview....I would've loved to see this interview on YouTube, just to hear Sir Ridley sling "fuck" every couple of seconds, or hear how he goes "Motherfucker," if his movie fails. Oh, and Blade Runner is his most personal work, eh? News to me.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:38 PM@Alien Drone Rupert Murdoch...LMFAO...Dude..do you have ANY idea what would happen to Murdoch financially speaking in ANY BATTLE against Ridley Scott? Do you have any idea?, despite how rich he is, how very little credibility what so ever He has left and the massive amount of HATRED AND BIAS there exists for this man in almost every single country on this earth?

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:40 PM@CrazyDave55811 I hope you find a way cause I want to see the games you produce now!

John D.
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 10:31 PMThe 2009 U.K. Sunday Times estimated Ridley Scott's worth at $172 million American dollars.
By (somewhat sickening) contrast...
Rupert Murdoch's net worth (according to Forbes' 2011 listing of the richest people in the world) is estimated at 8.3 [i]billion[/i].
That's a nauseating number.

Alien Drone
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 9:58 PMI said nothing about hatred about Ridley or Murdoch, what does that have to do with this anyway, why get so worked up? It's just a movie! It's not like you're going to die or something if someone has an opposing view! All I was doing was answering your statement about Ridley being able to buy Fox, hmmmmmm.......Murdoch's net worth is almost 8 billion dollars, Ridley is just 180 million, somehow I don't think so. I don't hate either one of them and I really don't think that either one of them are hated in the U.S., not sure where you are from, but I'm pretty sure the whole world doesn't hate either one of them. A whole lot worst people out there than either one of those.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 10:11 PM[quote]I really doubt that Ridley Scott has the money that Rupert Murdoch has. He owns 20th Century Fox.[/quote]
OH YEA....?....
You missed my point with all due respect...his money MEANS NOTHING wIth respect to any of the Alien Films and if he even tried to make that so in a "Court of Law" he'd lose so bad half his fortune would be gone by the time SCOTT GOT THROUGH WITH HIM. And the best part is this man has made almost all of his money through exploitation and cheating and lies and deception and everyone who knows him even personally says this about him, he is an evil evil man who would have zero chance of ever effecting any changes in the Completely Ridley Scott Dominated and Created Alien Universe. No mater how much of his fortune he threw at it...which again would be lost in a Jockeys Heartbeat! NO court on this f'n earth would rule in favor on just about anything for that guy..ever!

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 10:17 PMoh and i am not worked up in any way what so ever, just telling it like it is...Creative control on this thing is 100% HIS and the price the studios Almost ALWAYS pay when bringing in a Director of this stature and nature, The Budget Man...with all due respect...that's it...they have complete control over the BUDGET !!! With regard to Prometheus they have already stated publically that that right there is exactly where it all ended for the suits at Fox. Their Budget For the Film !!!

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 10:38 PMfor me the worst part of it isn't how much, it's how he made every dime of it ! To the Degree that the Eagles for 5 years straight on their farewell tour featured songs dedicated to him such as "All She Wants to Do Is Dance" fueled completely by their disdain and hatred for that man!!!

Jv8r
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 10:50 PM100% agreed Spartacus! As for AvP, he probably tries to black out the memory and pretend they don't even exist like so many of us.
The concept in ALIEN was so "out-there" that it made it incredibly creepy. You get slowly turned into an egg? Alive? WTF? That's horrible. I don't like alien-as-bug. That's putting things into our understandable realm. It's a downgrade conceptually.
Also, I don't want to veer to far off-topic but Jelbright touched on something I'd like answered. Why did Cameron add a "d" to Weylan? Why was that needed? to make it more his own? Seems frivolous.

Spartacus
MemberOvomorphMay-23-2012 11:08 PMThere is a discussion here somewhere on that but I am not sure I can find it cause it was in an off topic sidebar in that thread I believe but I will try to find it for you.

The Hidden Records
MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 2:04 AMA COINCIDENCE PERHAPS...
OR NOT?
PLOT IS IDENTICAL TO 2002 PUBLISHED AUTHOR
The writer has mirrored 2002 published works from author Wayne Herschel called The Hidden Records. Its all on line since 2002. Yes different stars but same plot same human origin message.
This repeating series of ancient alien human origin star maps has been on Coast to Coast radio too.
Even if this authors work is no more than just a theory... its identical

shambs
MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 2:11 AMAnd my questions are...
What the hell is the damn canon?...
Is that what the fans want?...
Do what Mr. Ridley wants?...
Do what Fox wants?...
and finally ¿Alien and Prometheus will be the only canon?...

The Hidden Records
MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 2:20 AMSome might say, is it just a crazy claim this movie is based on a real story...
Just google ...
ANCIENT STAR MAPS

dallas!dallas!
MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 2:55 AMAnd will Coors now be the official canon beer for all Alien movies/games/books? This is a very important question. Because every time I think about a snake sliding up my ass, I will think, "It's time for a beer. Coors, the official beer of space jockeys everywhere."

shambs
MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 3:11 AM@dallas!dallas! Yeah, Coors is the official beer of the asshugger...

Kane77
MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 3:37 AMRS as a movie director is dependent on the producers´ investment capital as any other director. As a advertising agency CEO 20 years ago he was dependent on this capital, too..even if RS is a millionaire, doesnt mean he is liable with his personal capital..doesnt make sense whatsoever, with over 200 million dollars production costs.
@canon..dont forget RS is doing this interview as part of an promotion campaign, and hes quite good with his product placement. Hes rolling drums. I dont think he disrespects Cameron completely for doin Aliens, Cameron stated ago that he is the biggest Alien fan..
RS says, only Alien is cannon.OK, hes the director of the original, first movie. That doesnt mean Aliens, A3, resurrection arent bad films.

MVMNT
MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 3:56 AMThe spacejockey in Alien is the canon. This is the great unanswered part of the story that RS wanted to answer.
Maybe his whole 'where did we come from' premise is a jab at the fact that the Alien franchise in the state that it is now, came from him, and he's the only one that can explain anything that came before it.
The rest of the franchise had their merits in places, and I think AvP got carried away with the universe that had already been told in novel and comic form, but even then they failed in really doing those justice.
I'm not sure Scott ever thought he would get this opportunity to draw a line under all of Cameron's later efforts

shambs
MemberOvomorphMay-24-2012 3:59 AMThen Alien and Prometheus are the only canon, but what if they are different canons? as parallel stories or star alone...

Pheonix-Ashes2.1
MemberOvomorphMay-27-2012 1:50 AMnew here, but not new to the whole franchise. there may be intellectual rights and other arguments going on...but "BATMAN BEGINS" and "THE AMAZING SPIDERMAN" and "SUPERMAN RETURNS" all got re-vamped...who's to say that the ALIEN arc doesn't go that way too? all the sequels were based upon an interpretation and the end result is up for $$$$$$.

Pheonix-Ashes2.1
MemberOvomorphMay-27-2012 1:57 AMbut RS don't need the almighty $$$ when he's got plenty. He's hinted in many interviews how he was offended when one of hit greatest hits got "karoaked" a few too many times...he put a lot of disinfo on two prequels....one may open doors to ALIEN universe or may not and the way he talks about Bladerunner and never doing a sequel to his own movie...he leaves questions...
point being...i hope he does justice for the BATMAN FOREVER attack on the ALIEN arc
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