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MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 10:45 AMhttp://www.avpgalaxy.net/forum/index.php?topic=43724.0
....is it for real?!!...based on some french pre-screening?......do you think these people really saw the movie?
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centrosphere
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 12:08 PMI really don´t get all this talk about "Prometheus" failure to "give answers".
We should just remember that we are asking for answers to questions rised by "Alien"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That, of course, weren´t answered in that film. The space jockey.
It was more or less clear from the beggining, and still more after we heard about Scott´s desire to have sequels to Prometheus, that this movie would have it´s load of unanswered questions also. Unanswered questions provide story space for sequels.
So, Prometheus could well be crap after all, but not for "not providing answers", I think.

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-28-2012 12:10 PMI dont know from two interviews i saw, Lindelof came across that he changed a lot of Ridleys mind...
He then joked he did the same with Cowboys and Aliens script and while the movie sucked.... he then said something like he does not care if the movie flops, as long as when he dies on his head stone it will say that he played a part in Ridleys first venture into Sci Fi for over 30 years, rather than him have nothing to do with it at all.
The guys comes across as selfish and argogant in that he would be prepared to make changes to a movie to suit what he wants and does not have much of a care for what others may think.
The common theme he came across with was that he does not like Prequels because you know what comes after the end, and he is a massive fan of ambiguous aproach and prefers movies to have no real ending and leave open questions that no two people will gain the same answers from.
Seems this movie could have been tonned down from Alien Prequel but instead its got lashings of Lost style ambiguity.
This is maybe Shaws Baby at the end...
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XVWn78_V_nE/TQeTSWGe5gI/AAAAAAAABvE/Rz-yP5g3Y7Q/s1600/mist02.jpg[/img]
When Giant Tentacle monster meets Smoke Monster...
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Shane
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 12:16 PM@bigdave
you sure that isn't a screencap from "The Mist"?
I'm kinda hoping it is.

Shane
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 12:25 PMThank god that screen cap is from "The Mist". I was worried there for a second.

Shane
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 12:36 PM"The Mist" was so disappointing as a film. As a novella it was fantastic. One of my favourite horror stories. So simple and so awesome.
@burns
They look like rock formations to me. I am on a computer with a pretty tiny screen [11" laptop"] so I actually had to google it. I miss my 26" moniter at home:(
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NoXWord
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 12:26 PMNo, that screencap is definitely from Prometheus, see how the trees and electicity poles in the background match those on LV223!
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

John D.
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 12:30 PMLOL!
And for the record, that monster was huge in the movie but it was STILL too small.
In the original novella "The Mist" the damned thing was supposed to be so incredibly enormous that all they could see of it was its legs, like massive columns jutting up into the sky, so tall that the rest of the creature's body was hidden in the mists above.

abordoli
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 12:51 PMWhen did the Prometheus have time to run electricity poles to the temple? ; )

Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 1:27 PMHave faith people! None of us have seen the film yet. Still, I have a strong feeling that the film will satisfy us, while answering some questions.

Gem]n[
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 1:34 PMSimple innit ...
Blokes LIKED IT ... Birds DIDN'T ...
I'll get me coat ... ;) ...

Juxtapose
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 1:34 PMwhat are up with these reviewers....it's like they try and write poetry....suppose it might just be bad translation....but f*ck me they difficult to read threw?

Gem]n[
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 1:45 PMI suppose you have to take into account the reviewers who are NON SciFi lovers ... so there's a percentage lost there ... and because of that you lose vital points ... you probably got a few who haven't seen ALIEN either :/ ... so there's another knock ... it goes on ...

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-28-2012 2:19 PMYeah it was from the Mist.....
In terms of the prequel route well some are against and some are not, seems Ridley wanted to explore that route that Lindelof dislikes, and i guess thats what we will see in this movie, is more of how Lindelof does not like prequels because you know the outcome, compared to his stuff where you dont know the outcome of even his movies....
Ridley maybe should have gone, you know Lindelof your right, we need to tone it down, thank him for the idea and get someone else to change the story..
Myself Star Wars EP 1 was a disapointment because it was about some little kid, with lots of goofy moments.... Jar Jar anyone....
Star Wars EP4-6 set a very very high bar, and it would take a lot to try and beat or match it so yes for that reason a prequel is a dangerous thing as it could be disapointing and then again that was the case with any Alien film after Alien 3
Ridley could have made a Alien 5, or a direct prequel and you will always be up against it in terms of trying to reach the bar that Alien and Aliens set.
I was not really expecting it to be vastly based on Alien Xenos, never wanted it to be, but by the same notion i think maybe the lack of any real link could also be the movies downfall.
Ridley should have after Lindelof came aboard he should have scrapped the Alien Universe....
Thus same movie, same plot same events just we dont have Weyland, we dont have the Space Jockey....
They could go for Humanoids in suits just not simular to the SJ and a Ship thats maybe simular but not near enough the same.
Ridley could have done this and then everyone would be able to view this movie as its own masterpeice.... i.e making a remake of "at the Mountains of Madness" rather than a Alien not so very much Prequel.
Saying that.... Ridley only has himself to blame....
He has been talking about Derelict on LV 426, he has been harping on about that last 8 mins and a link to Alien, and saying the movie is Mommy meets Daddy and while Lindelof states its about the Progintor
These comments build up the movie to tie in with Alien...
Ridley could have said this....
"The movie is not about the Xeno, we will not show the Xeno or its Cycle, it will be only about the Engineers/Space Jockeys but you will be able to guess how the Xeno could have come from, from the other kinds of experiments and creations the Engineers take part in"
He has said simular, but then does not clarify enough that it has no connection to Alien, so when he says the end will tie in to Alien well he has made a big commitment to having to please the fanboys....
Some of these France Screener viewers are not happy at the lack of any link... some said there is nothing......
While Ridley claims there would be..... and Alien fans would be pleased...
Maybe Ridleys idea of a link is not what the fans would have wanted.
Again i go back to the two people who claimed to has seen the movie 2 weeks ago in LA and what they said regarding the link....
One Said No Direct link, but we will notice simular things to Alien from Shaws Baby, and at the end of the movie we will see something that provides a link depending how you interpret it... They think movie is going to be either reboot or prequel to prequel and is left open.
The second one said, Yes and No to the link, he said there are various unexplained things that we could draw as a link to Alien, its not direct links or anwers but clues that could help with the speculation/add wood to the fire.... He said that Shaws Baby is kind of simular to a Face Hugger, and said at the end of the movie their is something we would draw a better connection with the 1979 Alien but dont expect something very simular but we would see more simularity in it, than Shaws Baby when born is to a Face Hugger.
Both claim the 3D is Amazing and the other effects and the story is good, only it has many many lose ends and leaves far more unanswered questions than it attempts to answer.
So regarding not only Alien but this movie, we get a very vague clue, and then get a number of unanswered things in return.
The one did say you can certainly tell the influences from Lindelof but did not bother him as he was a fan of Lost....
So i take it if your looking for a good link to Alien and/or your not a fan of how Lost leaves things to Mystrey then your gonna hate some parts of the movie...
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Powereddie
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 2:24 PMI´m with Dutch,.... remember the crap that others in the film industry were making about Beautiful Mind?
This looks like a stealth marketing stunt from rival companies.
:)

Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 3:04 PMReally guys? If there are bad reviews then it must be a rival company trying to sink Prometheus? It can't just be that some people did not like it?

Kane77
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 4:14 PMwasnt the mist based on a Steven King novel? I liked the ending of the movie..and these huge, cthulu-like creatures..unreal

azalard
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 5:14 PMI don't know what to make of all this. The earliest release dates are May 30th. Click [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/releaseinfo]here[/url].

takka_takka_takka
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 5:34 PMWell, my head is still swimming a bit from reading the awful translations of all those French reviews. And I learned a new word - "anhedral".
But in any case my takeaway from the good, the bad, and the ugly, is that it is beautiful, well-acted, thought-provoking, and not the cheap cash-in some suspected it might have been.
My jimmies are far from rustled.

Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 5:48 PMI think that everybody who has doubts about the movie being any good should calm down a bit. We will all see it soon. Then that is when we will come up with our own critique. Why would I follow the review of some so called movie reviewer who could not even make it as a B movie director. Or better yet a film director. Its total nonsense and dangerous because some people actually listen to these guys. Just go watch it, and be pleased with what ever happens.

John D.
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 8:42 PM@Kane77:
Yes "The Mist" was adapted (amazingly faithfully) from a novella by Steven King, from the anthlology [i]Skeleton Crew.[/i]
The one MAJOR change they made was to the ending. I actually preferred the book version; I just thought the movie version, while incredibly ironic, was just too unbelievable. Nobody who has tried so hard up to that point to survive would decide that quickly to give up and die.
If you've not read the novella, give it a shot. It's really good.

Twitch
MemberOvomorphMay-28-2012 10:03 PM
Fox will ask him to do another prometheus film if this one turns a proffit they will not however tell him make a film to clear up unanswered ?s. The only question they will have, is can you make us more money. I'm not being cynical just stressing an obvious fact.

BigDave
MemberDeaconMay-29-2012 6:15 AM@Twitch
I know, but my point is if this movie fails to make them as much as they hoped...
If Fox then finds that maybe the reasons are the lack of Answers to the Questions fans wanted Answers for, and also the very ambiguous nature of the movies plot.
If they think that if those things are adressed a Prometheus 2 would maybe do better, they may indeed go for a Sequel and ask for certain things to be covered...
Or maybe not....
Yes if this movie makes money because a lot of people go see it and even if Alien fans dont make a big majority of that, then they will make a number 2
The problem is that if there was say 10M Alien fans in the World and 7M went to see the movie and only 2M liked it.... all that Fox would see and care about was that they sold 7M Tickets and not that 5M Alien fans thought the movie sucked.
So if ontop of those 7M Alien fans, we had 15M Sci Fi fans and half said it sucked and half liked it, that makes 22M Tickets sold, and does not matter about that 12.5M thought it sucked while 9.5M liked it.
Then add to that 20M general public of which 50% liked it, all Fox would see is wow the movie sold 42M tickets, not that over 50% thought it sucked.
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