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Confused by the mixed reviews.

Mizere

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No spoilers here. Just watched it. 2 times.. I am still going this weekend but my main reason for writing this is trying to figure out what movie all of these people who really ripped this apart actually saw. Yes, it is not Alien and it is not supposed to be, but it is a damn good movie. Anybody comparing it to the AVP films is just trying too hard to find fault with something they probably really didn't want to like to begin with. It doesn't look like AVP, it doesn't sound like it nor does anything that happens in it compare to either of those movies. All of the complaints about poor character development, acting, things going too fast and laughable creatures is mind boggling. There is lots of stress, tension and emotional development. What were you looking for? Twilight? Seriously. I cannot find much fault with the movie at all. Look, I guarantee I am a lot older than most people posting here and the ones reviewing the movie so I am not an idiot. My favorite movies range from decades and genres with Alien being in my top 5. Which I saw in the theater on release in 1979. I went into this movie with only the expectations of being entertained and excited that a movie was made to sit in the same universe as the original. I got that, ten-fold. In fact, it actually bothers me that we have a unique film in our midst and people are complaining about the most baseless trivialities. In a world where horrible movies like Saw and The Hangover get huge amounts of money at the box office , we are given a beautiful film full of ideas, a story that is near heartbreaking and the beginning of something that could be huge (with any sequels) and people are poo-pooing because somebody plays a flute in it. I am just saddened for all of the people so bent out of shape because the speculation for this film ruined it for you. THIS is what happens when people play games with their ideas about what a movie is going to be before even seeing it. I hope this is a lesson learned for anybody falling into that and hopefully next time a heavily anticipated movie is green lit, you won't be so hungry to make up your own version of it.
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The complaints I have read from critics have nothing to do with the Alien connection. Most imply that the script does not do justice to the big topics this film is trying to address (creation, meeting our makers, immortality, etc...). I have been somewhat baffled that people who state the the film had great visuals and was entertaining cannot understand why people looking for a deeper story did not like the film. There have been many entertaining films with great visuals in recent years (Inception, Avatar, X-Men: First Class, The Avengers) that some people did not enjoy. What this film tried to do was to tackle big issues that many people are very serious about and, from the many negative reviews I've read, it seems the script did not respect that. It seems like the story was very formulaic and offered the standard "commercial" film experience it thought general audiences expected (minor characters dying off one by one, plenty of violent monsters, heroine kicking butt, happy ending, xeno at the end) INSTEAD of doing something new and original and going off in its own direction.
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I think the problem is this: It's a hardcore sci-fi movie (...well, that, and the ending *was* kinda goofy...). It has been such a lamentably long time since *true* science fiction got any kind of real backing in Hollywood that it's a complete curve-ball to try to mass-market in this age. It's obvious to me from reading many of the reviews that what a lot of people are really complaining about is that this a film that requires the viewer to do some *thinking*, and possibly answer a few questions for themselves. Still, it's hovering at around 80 percent on Rotten Tomatoes (i.e. it's a hit - at least in Europe), so I think it's safe to say that it's appreciated. I also think it's safe to say, if nothing else, that this is a film that will be talked about and debated for years, which is a lot better than something cut-and-dried and completely self-explanatory if you ask me.
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@ dtrisml I do not think the statement, "what a lot of people are really complaining about is that this a film that requires the viewer to do some *thinking*" is very fair to many of the people who did not like the film. In essence, it suggests that they did not like it because they are not intelligent enough to appreciate it. From reading many of the negative reviews on this site and others, I have learned that there are some very smart people who did not like the film one bit and whose past favorite films are high brow science fiction movies. I think it is important to be aware of how your comments will be interpreted by members of this site who may not agree with you. For the sake of civility I think we should refrain from using phrases akin to: "If you like this film then you must be..." or "If you didn't like this film then you are...".
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Well You only have 2 days left to figure it by yourself don't you ? :)
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haven't you... Drat... Question tags are such a pain for french people....
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I'm not getting into another one of these debates, but I had to say I really like this statement from the OP: [i]In fact, it actually bothers me that we have a unique film in our midst and people are complaining about the most baseless trivialities. In a world where horrible movies like Saw and The Hangover get huge amounts of money at the box office , we are given a beautiful film full of ideas, a story that is near heartbreaking and the beginning of something that could be huge (with any sequels) and people are poo-pooing because somebody plays a flute in it.[/i] Prometheus is a film that makes us THINK and is a rare sight these days with films like Twilight, The Hangover, Saw, etc... We should appreciate Prometheus for what it is and not for what you wanted it to be. And it definitely does not fall BELOW Alien Rez.. That's a ridiculous statement to make on any account. Perhaps go re-watch Alien Rez before making that statement, specifically the last 30 minutes... *facepalm* Welcome to the boards [b]Mizere[/b], glad to have you with us! I think you nailed it with your post up there. I really like the points you brought up.

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i jsut love the movie! it is amazing! just watched it.. (moderated)
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@ dtrisml gotcha.
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very nice movie...
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Mizere... I haven't seen the movie yet and I have to say that I'm happy to see a post that understands the level of expectations a film can create. I myself am looking forward to seeing what Ridley Scott has created. I've always been a big fan and I take each of his films as they come. What I'm looking for in this film has to do more with the concept of science and religion. With religion is GOD. With science is evolution. They both have flaws. Mostly because of our own inability to grasp what we don't understand, but in a basic sense Religion is obvious with it's faith and science with it's missing link. The difference sometimes is how we were brought up... I myself am somewhat religious, but not practicing... on the other hand with more knowledge, I have more questions... Discovery is so interesting, but the reality of what we find may not be. It may be beautiful... or frightening. If we can't see past our own trivial criticisms and explore the mind of the artist, then we might not ever see another film with this kind of ambition. I don't think most people understand how hard it is to get a film like this made. Hollywood won't see the point to do it again if it doesn't make the kind of money it needs to make. I plan to see it and see it again and I hope more people do for the sake of the genre. The good news is that Ridley is not finished with this genre so I'm very pleased, as I'm sure most of you are as well.
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I think my statement was fairly clear and to the point. If people *choose* to interpret it in some broad, sweeping fashion and then take offense at their interpretation of it, i don't see how I can really do anything about that, but I don't think I (or anyone) should have to walk around the board on eggshells terrified that someone *might* elect to take a general observation that's thrown out there personally. You know? If people are that insecure about their opinions and conclusions, maybe they should be more selective about what they do or don't expose themselves to...
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Do not post links to pirated material on this site, thanks.
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@ Freeze! Who was posting links to pirated material?
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There must be something wrong with you if you thought the movie was "amazing" yes visually but that's about it seriously!
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@Drakeequation, nice name by the way! To answer your question, I have it moderated now. Links to sites hosting pirated material have been appearing, as well as this thread not that long ago. Gotta be quick! I wish I was this fast on my toes... LOL
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Lovely. Another civilized (more or less) thread. :•) The point about audiences becoming jaded (though not being expressed precisely in that way) is a really valid one. I think compared to 1979, WE’RE BORED, because we've become conditioned to be so by an inordinate amount of content on cable, on the web, in theaters, everywhere!! In general, it's super difficult to impress us. The bar isn't even just a bar that's been raised anymore, it's a series of jungle gyms in an obstacle course that ends with a zip line through the forest in PV, Mexico where [i]Predator[/i] (I) was filmed. It's real. I've been there. I do feel, however, that getting into and connecting to/with a film is a very subjective, personal thing. I've said it before here too. The acid test is [url=http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/fox_searchlight/thetreeoflife/][i]Tree of Life[/i][/url]. It's WAAAAAAAY at one end of the spectrum of public appeal. You either get it, or you don't. If you do it's utterly brilliant. If you don't, it's shite. I'm convinced that it was made without a shred of thought for those who are doomed (by a lack of, not intelligence, but life experience) to hate it. And if you'd like a counter-example at the other end of the spectrum, [u]Avatar[/u]. Made to be adored by the masses, and it is. If you don't believe me look at [url=http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/]this[/url]. 2 BILLION [u]outside[/u] of the US. It transcends all cultures and languages. It is brilliantly crafted for the LCD (Lowest Common Denominator), but that includes 12-year-olds in Xian and Grandmothers with PhDs in Helsinki. I have not seen it yet, but I predict that [i]Prometheus[/i] will fall more or less in the middle of that spectrum leaning more towards [i]ToL[/i] than [i]Avatar[/i]. It will have "big ideas" yet it will be decidedly mainstream. It HAS to be mainstream because it has to make at least $325 million or so to make the right folks happy. That's the way the industry now works, and we only have ourselves to blame. They give us what we pay for. We pay for amazing visuals. We pay for human drama. We pay to see corporate giants fall. We pay for tragic deaths and existential crisis after existential crisis. I will like it not because it is perfect or even necessarily REALLY good, but largely because I'm determined to like it. I'm determined to find the [u]value[/u] in it—whatever and wherever and whenever that is. If Jar Jar Binks shows up I will be horrifically disappointed in that, but I know that there will be other good in it; somewhere. I have nothing to gain by being a snob about it one way or the other. And, if it's truly awful in every way, I'll eat a crow or two (but I'm pretty sure the crows in my neighborhood have nothing to worry about). My ampoule is half full.
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I agree on most things. That said, Ridley sure misled us with the trailers that contained the horrific Alien sounds. It isn't a horror movie. He should've told that before. Second, the last hour was way too short.
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@mizere Have to say you must have seen a completely different film than what I saw - Regarding age I am 41 and first witnessed Alien when I was 9. I have been a massive science fiction fan from very early childhood, Alien I must have seen over 100 times also. One of the most iconic, dark but beautiful well acted game changing movies in cinematic history. For you to say you dont understand why people are not liking it is statement itself that there is no point in me explaining why it is such a horribly disappointing movie. If you cant see the massive plot holes and flaws, badly written script, movie pacing, editing, certain acting then I guess you view movies through completely different eyes and brain proccessing to myself and various others. Thats not a BAD thing! In fact I am almost envious that you have obtained pleasure from Prometheus and "see it" as been a fantastic film, you have not had to go through "Prometheus Aftershock" which I have been suffering for 4 days now, after spending 2 years in excitement and anticipation for a film that (I didnt care about any Alien connection) would be a game changing, question raising, original Sci-Fi film..... That it most certainly is not my friend.........
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@Mizere, I appreciate your thread and look forward to writing a review once I've seen it. I will surely ask you to join in to the conversation!
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