You know...

And just because you haven't seen a film yet doesn't mean it's good. We are at what I think people would call an "impasse" at this point in time when it comes to being able to agree on whether the negativity or praise is merited.

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I mean, if it were, say, The Exorcist that was being released you'd be having people ranting and whining about "Oh her head turns around backwards?? Give me a break! Who thought this cr*p up?? I want my money back!! Worst movie ever!! Let's lynch Friedkin!! He didn't give us exactly what we wanted (even though we don't seem to know what we really want...)"

I have seen it. Twice now. And I loved it. And that is quite enough for me.

There is also a difference between complexity and a lack of necessary information. For instance solve for X in this equation: X+???=172. You can't do it? Gosh how simple you must be not to understand a simple problem.

For instance, the mystery as to how a biologist and geologist would get lost in a structure while in possession of a 3D map of the entire area or why a biologist would want to hug a space cobra are not exactly of the high-brow, intellectual variety.

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@dtrisml. I would disagree. A good story should leave questions but not bewilderment or the audience asking questions about trival things. If you don't understand something then the story teller has done a poor job for his audience. Movie goers don't pay to make up their own story to try and make sense of what they are seeing. They pay to be entertained.

@Drakeequation — 42

i dont dislike prometheus because i 'dont understand it', thats just something you apologists are telling yourselves. i dont like it because it sucked... do you 'understand' that?

@ Sukkal no you have to really think about it, it isn't one of those simple problems. I am trying to open up new doors and look at big topics in mathematics with that problem. I think when you solve it, you will be really surprised at just how large the implications are.

BS. A good story [i]can[/i] leave you with a significant number of questions. "2001" or "Solaris," anyone?

[quote=TheNextLV426][i](a) Movie goers don't pay to make up their own story to try and make sense of what they are seeing. (b) They pay to be entertained.[/i][/quote] I completely disagree with point (a) for a [u]large swath of people[/u]. But, I'll give you two thumbs up for (b). Entertainment is in the brain of the beholder.

Most of the negativity lately is focused on the characters acting like idiots and the film being too commercial. If anything, the arguments seem to point to a lack of maturity on the part of the script. Solaris and 2001 were brilliantly written and were not afraid to risk being truly unique and not fitting into any molds. Can you imagine if there was a big monster battle at the end of either film tacked on there because the directors thought audiences were expecting it?

@Drakeequation — I'm happy to give you infinity for the scientific answer to your equation, but 42 is a perfectly valid 'imaginary' answer for a fiction, which this is, one way or the other. The answer '42' is entertaining (to me). It has roots elsewhere. It comes with its own mythology, and it need not be 'correct' to be 'valid' in this (my) context.

Okay: on the Fifield and Milburn getting lost thing: the "map" was a hologram being generated on the ship NOT something the ground crew carried around with them. The storm was creating interference making it difficult to get a location lock on the stragglers. The storm also prevented them from leaving the temple, so they were only actually "lost" for a short while (i.e. took a wrong turn on the way out - I've done it myself before in buildings I had been in many times). They were obviously not "lost" by the time they found their way back to the ampule room.

@ sukkal: Exactly.

I guarantee you that I will understand it. Do you think that I will like it?

Wow, the YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT card again?! The stupidity of this astounds me. Melkor [url=http://wp.me/p2tPJ3-1]My review here!!![/url]

I have no problem with someone who thinks the movie sucks, or hates it for whatever reason. There are plenty of movies I hate. I generally don't spend time seeking out forums about those movies and talking about how much I hate them, that seems a little silly.

@sukkal well 42 is a good speculative answer but I assure you the real answer is there. I think I may explore it in future installments of the problem.

As for Milburn petting a Cobra Hugger, I've personally known entirely too many people with a degree in something lofty who were nevertheless complete idiots. If that part of the film is unrealistic for you... I envy you.

@ cakesy I think you have a really good point. If the film turns out to just be terrible all around I may just leave the site.

@Drakeequation— I'm probably not mathematically inclined enough to follow, but I'm happy to give it a look when you have it ready to go. @Melkor— I'll read your review after I see the film. Looking forward to it.

@ Melkor: well, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... You know?

There is a difference between "getting" something and "understanding" it (in my book). —Discuss!!

It's not exactly evidence of brilliance for one to spend hours frequenting a fan site for a movie they vocally hate. Ergo...

Do you think Kane was stupid for "waking" the egg, or putting his face over it after he clearly saw something moving inside it? Was Lamburt stupid for just standing there when all she had to do was move out of the way for the Alien to get torched? Was Ripley stupid for going back to save a cat? A CAT? Really? What about that huge hole they left in the story about the elephant guy in that big seat? Geez, I mean, there was no back-story or anything... he's just there and then he's gone... Or that big hole in the hull next to him... It's almost like they need a sequel.

So we have a character who is the mapping and geology expert who appears to have no interest in rocks or strange urns because they are scary. Then he manages to get lost trying to find the ship. Meanwhile the other characters experience a medical egergency and have carry an injured team member back to the ship. Under extreme pressure they find there way back no problem. Our mapping/geology expert now tired of roaming around now finds his way back the scary head and urns and decides that it would be a suitable place to wait for the storm to be over after all. And why there, why not play with the local wild life.

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[quote=dtrisml][i]It's not exactly evidence of brilliance for one to spend hours frequenting a fan site for a movie they vocally hate.[/i][/quote] LOL! :•D But, I have to say that it must be therapeutic for those who engage in it, the bashing (and dare I call it *discourse*?). I can't understand it otherwise. It's actually fascinating. It's a lot cheaper than $180 an hour (which is only 50 minutes anyway). LOL again.

lol, Drakeequation. I know exactly how you feel. When I get into these "debates" I always end up feeling like an arrogant, argumentative douchebag. It's funny how much we like to defend our individual POV, almost as if it's a badge of honor, instead of something a bit more pathetic.......but some of us still can't help ourselves. ;- )

@db — Nice parry! drakeequation & artyoh — But the Emperor *needs* all of this so very badly. How can we deny Him?

@ artyoh You hit the nail on the head! I think 90% of these arguments come out of a deep seated sense of insecurity that arises from placing too much importance on defending our point of view about something which is purely trivial. I wonder if it has to do with the fact that we associate the "stuff" we like with who we are as individuals. If I was a more secure and mature individual, I would probably not care one way or the other what people thought of the film and would not be disappointed by it either way because it would be such a small part of my life. I think arguing on the internet allows us to feel like we have some kind of control and that if we can change someone's opinion, we have exercised our intellectual capacities to their fullest. Still, win or lose I feel like a total prick afterwards.

@drake: Brilliant pic! You'd think I would've seen that one on here by now.

@db I would say there is a world of difference between looking into an egg and attempting to stroke a snake on an alien planet.

The script was written for the general audience; remember the bell curve... it plays out in many many aspects of our lives and some of us feel empty by this logic, but this the nature of life.

@ db: Brilliant comparison...

@TheNext: But it was just so damn cute... Like the cat.

@ dtrisml: Thanks, the point being... Perspective. I was there with my butt in a seat in '79. I loved it then, but had a ton of unanswered questions as I left the theater. I hope I do when I leave Prometheus at 2am. Friday morning too.