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dtrisml
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 4:42 PMFifield and Milburn did not have a map (unless I missed something). The "map" was a hologram being compiled and generated on the ship NOT something the ground crew carried around with them. The storm was creating interference making it difficult to get a location lock on the stragglers. The storm also prevented them from leaving the temple, so they were only actually "lost" for a short while (i.e. took a wrong turn on the way out - I've done it myself before in buildings I had been in many times). They were obviously not "lost" by the time they found their way back to the ampule room.
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Corporalhiccups
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 5:50 PMI don't think you can compare Kane's response to milburn's as if they are identical. Totally different characters in different circumstances. Milburn is supposed to be a leading scientific mind. Kane is a space trucker. Milburn has already shown that he is afraid of the situation he is in. Kane shows no fear.
I feel that we have reached an impasse.

Supernube
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 5:56 PMThe Film was amazing... thought provoking and certainly intelligent enough for you to ask far more reaching questions than what you are wasting your time on at the moment.
I actually agree with whoever it was... I also didnt like Milburn in the film.... more because of the actors acting capabilities rather than his characters flaws but forget about it.... move on from it ....its just not Important in the grand scheme of things !!

Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 5:56 PM@corporalhiccups I salute your penchant for accurate psychological analysis!

Corporalhiccups
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 6:07 PMCheers Drakeequation, I studied psych at uni but have forgotten most of it after many years of binge drinking to escape the pain of disappointing prequels. Glad to meet someone who shares my opinion of the characters.

MVMNT
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 6:16 PMWhat baffles me is that the 'PUPS' belonged to Fifield...
Didn't he have a direct connection to them? How the heck were they still tracking the inside of the temple and ship with the storm and suddenly Fifield had no clue what was going on?!
Huge hole there

Corporalhiccups
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 6:23 PM@MVMNT: yeah, the crew actually ask Fifield where to go after he releases the pups and he says, "pups say this way" before leading them off. Super massive plot hole.

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 6:26 PMMVMNT I agree, Fifield should be the character LEAST likely to get lost.
Also, there is a very important contrast to Kane's fate in Alien. If Kane hadn't been so curious, he wouldn't have been impregnated, and the Alien would never have been on the Nostromo in the first place.
Whereas the stupid deaths of Milburn and Fifield are entirely unnecessary to advance the plot. David makes sure of that.
Bafflingly stupid deaths.

Shaw's_sweet_baby
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 6:26 PMWhy are people so hyped about the characters' state of mind?.. The persons who made this movie are not psychologists you know. And I don't really think I have ever seen a film where the characters acted the way they probably should have.
So people think that Fifield's and Milburn's actions were stupid... Well then imagine what People would have thought if they had both run out of the temple screaming like little girls the moment they saw the creatures. Now that would have been a let-down.

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 6:28 PMOkay, good night fellow fan(atics) Bit of sleep and hopefully a clear sky to watch the transit of Venus at sunrise. Some real space action, with a lower body count (and no plot holes)

SaintsSinphony
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 6:29 PMthe more I think about Fifield and Millburn the more I wonder if they were chosen because they are stupid.
the viral vid of Shaw has the quiet eye measuring all sorts of information just from Shaw's message
suppose Fife and Mill are chosen by weyland because they wouldn't be too bright and figure some things out, like getting left in a cave on purpose
David saves Halloway and Shaw why not Fifield and Millburn?
This is just a shot in the dark, but I do think there was some manipulation by Weyland, David, and even Vickers

dtrisml
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 8:41 PMMost of the crew (case in point: Holloway) seem to have been up for grabs to use to further Weyland's machinations at whatever cost (familiar theme, naturally). It's pretty much without question that Weyland and David *wanted* people to get infected just to see what happened to them.
I think one thing that's different about this film, though, is that at least a few of the deaths are serio-comic (Vickers getting squished like a bug for example). Fifield and Milburn are obviously modeled after the age old "bumbling duo" device that we see from Shakespeare onwards. Of course, they had to be scientists because this is a scientific expedition, but ultimately, yeah - they were obviously contrived to be the red shirts of Act One. I still don't quite understand why people are getting bent out of shape about it. It's contrived, sure, but in the best and most enduring theatrical and cinematic traditions.

Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 8:43 PM[img]http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/280x280/9629951.jpg[/img]

Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 8:51 PMBy the way, I should qualify that by saying that I don't think everything you have to say about the film is an excuse. I just mean that for only this one scenario in particular which, even people who loved the film, can admit was a little weak.

SaintsSinphony
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 10:37 PMyes Drake these two characters and their situation is hokey, I for one was glad to see their demise

Drakeequation
MemberOvomorphJun-05-2012 10:43 PM@ SaintsSinphony Thanks, it is good that someone who liked the film can admit it.

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-06-2012 7:57 PMAnybody notice another glaring error in why they shouldn't have been lost?
It's got to do with special effects added in later that the actors wouldn't be aware of...
The 3D map on Prometheus. See the little red dots showing where the Pup" probes are (each with a number over it)... and then yellow squares (rotated by 45') showing the location of each member of the landing party, and each square has a letter above it, identifying the individual.
When there's just Milburn and Fifield stuck down there, we can still see yellow blocks with an M and an F above them, even in the scene where the captain asks their location, before mentioning that a probe is picking up a life form (we see a red dot witha 1 over it, blinking on the display.) We can see exactly where it is in relation to the yellow blocks, without the guys even telling us they are near the decapitated alien.
When the landing party was returning, the captain should have been able to track them all via this display and ask, early on why two of them were still below.
Major plot hole right there folks.
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