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Bonzo Gibbon

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A lot of people found the movie frustrating because there are so many unanswered questions, but I really liked that aspect of it. One of the main screenwriters was the guy who did Lost, so teasing mysteries are his stock in trade. The movie is a kind of riddle, and this is the answer I have come up with: The "engineers" are a highly advanced life form who have developed the ability to create life and accelerate evolution. They do this with the black goo. In the opening scene we see an engineer drinking some, which destroys him, reconstitutes his dna and seeds the earth with life. They only do this on planets which are sterile, but have the right conditions for life. They use their own pure DNA because it will lead eventually lead to an intelligent, benign life form. They return to their seeded planets and plan eventually to let the new life forms understand their origins. Hence the cave paintings. However, there is a downside to the process in that in certain circumstances it can lead to the creation of the ultimate survival-of-the-fittest predatory life form - the xenomorph of the first Alien movie. Perhaps it happens when the planet that they seed is not completely sterile. The engineers have come across this creature before, because in the temple on LV-233 there are murals etc depicting it. Perhaps they think they have managed to defeat it or eliminate it. The engineers realise that there is a problem or contamination on earth, which will lead eventually to xenomorphs, so they realise that they have to either destroy all life on earth, or apply some sort of corrective measure, it is not clear which. This is why they have earth as a destination on their star map, and perhaps why David says "in order to create, you first have to destroy". My theory is that they had a corrective plan, because when David goes into the cargo hold of the engineer ship, the jars contain not black goo, but a clearer looking substance packed in ampules with slime. They choose LV-233 as a barren planet for their goo factory and seeding project. The temple with the giant head is the heart of the goo factory, and depends on minute adjustments of humidity and temperature. However, something goes wrong and they are all killed by a vicious predatory creature which bursts out of their chests. This is not yet the xeno, but something very dangerous. Only the engineer who is in deep sleep survives. This is why Earth has not been visited for 2000 years. When Prometheus comes to LV-233 and they open up the temple, it sets off a change in humidity, which makes the black goo come out of the urns. There is brief shot which shows that there are worms in the soil. These react with the goo and become the cobra/vagina snakes. One of these snakes kills Millburn by going into his mouth and coming out of his chest. So presumably this is how all the engineers were killed. They had not realised that there was a tiny life form on this planet that would react with the goo. When the last engineer wakes up he is horrified to find humans with him, which is why he kills them and immediately tries to set off for earth. There is a brief but interesting moment when he picks up David and realises that it is a robot. He is touched that humans have learned to recreate themselves, like engineers, but then saddened that it has to be destroyed. David gets Holloway to drink some goo. Why? Perhaps just as an experiment. It seems to be having the same effect on him as on the engineer in the first scene, but there is one interesting glimpse of a little worm in the corner of his eye. Perhaps this is some tiny parasitic bacterium transformed by the goo. He is burned before we can find out any more. Fitfield, whose helmet is dissolved by acid, falls face forward into the goo. He ends up as some kind of malevolent super strong monster. Perhaps he is a kind of zombie operated by super-evolved bacteria and bugs inside him. Holloway has sex with Shaw and she is impregnated with a super squid. After she cuts it out of her, it ends up going into the mouth of the last engineer. In the last scene, what bursts out of the engineer is recognisably a xeno, and probably a queen. My theory is that this is exactly what the engineers were afraid of. It is the human reproductive system (engineers don't do sex) which allows the xeno to come into being. Before that they were unable to lay eggs. They could only burrow in and burst out. So the sex between Holloway and Shaw was a crucial step in its creation, a creature with ultimate survival skills, but also engineer intelligence. The intriguing question is whether David knew this and planned it. There is a horrible irony in the fact that Shaw, who is infertile, gets to be the mother of such a malignant life form. If you want to make a connection between Prometheus and the first Alien movie, maybe the newly created Xeno goes and lays eggs in the other ships which David mentioned are on LV-233, possibly with other sleeping engineers. Or maybe the xeno in the first Alien movie is from a completely different xeno incarnation. If there is a sequel, what will Shaw find when she gets to the engineer home world? The motivation of the robot is very mysterious. If he is simply programmed to provide Weyland with a meeting with the engineers, why does he meddle in the way that he does? Why does he give Holloway the black goo and not the clear goo?
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Bonzo Gibbon
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Westy, I am looking at screen evidence. Before they have sex, Holloway and Shaw have a conversation about her infertility. She cries and he reassures her. When she's told that she's pregnant, she says "That's impossible". Were you getting your popcorn in these bits? Also Ridley definitely spent a few millions on the CGI showing a subtle range of expressions on the engineer's face when he picked David up. Maybe it isn't sadness or remorse, but then what is it? By contrast, he swats the others aside with barely a glance. Just because Janek says they are WMD doesn't mean that they are. The evidence on screen is ambiguous. The first scene clearly shows the goo being used to create life, and not as a weapon.
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Agree to almost everything :D
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Gavin
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If the engineers were trying to eliminate/destroy/defeat the Xenomorph, why was one of their ships carrying thousands of Xenomorph eggs?

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DoogieTalons
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Love your explaination I have attempted my own and I think there could be a lot of stuff merged :) Cool ideas.
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Very good assessment IMO
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Gavin
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And furthermore the derelict engineer craft on LV-426 crashed/landed there thousands of years ago - How can shaw be the mother to the Xeno's if they already exist.

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No. Janek explains it with a single line that makes perfect sense. '...This place isn't their home, it's an installation. They were smart enough not to make WMDs on their own doorstep...I can't allow any of that stuff to come back with us...' It's painfully easy to understand that the xenos and the other aliens on the derelict craft are weapons of mass destruction gone wrong. Your explanation is relying on reading the writers' mind instead of digesting what was given to you on screen. There's no indication that Shaw was infertile either, and nothing to indicate the engineers are asexual. The bacteria that turned Fifield into a 'zombie' (whatever) is also a weapon. Also, the engineer never expresses sadness/remorse before he kills everybody. Rely on what's given to you on screen, everything else is fan fiction.
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I think the two time lines run independently as per my own attempt to explain, there for the Shaw being the mother of the Alien Xeno is perhaps incorrect. I think the XENO Existed long ago and what we see in Prometheus is further along after the SJ encounter Xeno thousands of years ago...
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The one thing I think I really didn't want? Humans having ANYTHING to do with the creation of those Aliens in the first place. They should be completely, 100 per cent Alien. THAT was what was so scary about them in the first place. We had nothing like it to compare to in the first place, they were outside our understanding, and they were nothing like us until one gestated inside of Kane. Lindelof strikes again. Can't believe Ridley allowed him to do that to my beloved creatures -_-
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The Xenomorph in Prometheus is a redesign of the creature, probably motivated by the fact that thousands of years ago one of their kind fell foul to their own weapon - LV-426.

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Snorkelbottom, the engineer ship didn't contain xeno eggs, but metallic containers. David opened one and it had ampules of clear liquid packed in slime. My guess is that they would have eliminated reproductive sex from earth's life forms. If the crashed ship on LV-426 was 2000 years old, it could fit with the Promethus chronology. However, as the murals in the temple show, the engineers have prior experience with Xenos, so the LV-426 xeno could be a separately evolved one. The clues are tantalising and I could be completely wrong of course. But I do suspect that reproduction is the key to everything both in terms of plot and theme. I think they are trying to pick up on how important Ripley was as a woman and as a mother in the original movies.
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@westy I agree - the engineers got TOO CLEVER and their intelligence started to bite them on the a$$! Look at we are doing - Nuclear weapons, biological weapons, engineering mosquitoes, we still keep the black death in labs... They should have made more of the engineers... I found a huge emotionless humanoid more frightening than an overweight facehugger
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@Westy I thought Shaw was infertile,I vaguely remember a conversation between herself and Holloway when he comes back to the room after drinking the black goo,where he made some suggestion about fertility(cant remember exactly)and she got upset because she could not have kids?
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I think the SJ encountered Xeno in the past, created the goo from Xeno DNA due to it's survival/recombinant/adaptable properties. Hence the SJ are "Prometheus". This explains the Eggs and the Ampules and both the timelines.
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@ bonzo gibbon - I was referring to the craft on LV-426. The Xenomorph has been redesigned to be transported in urns instead of eggs to avoid a repeat of LV-426. This is further proven by the difference in appearance and lifecycle of the new Xenomorph born in Prometheus.

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snorks is it not possible that the alien eggs in the derelict were being transported somewhere were they could be disposed of safely when one escaped and took out the sj?
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@ mr pest - If that was the case then why did the engineers not destroy them once the craft had landed on LV-426, and why where the engineers on LV-223 experimenting with and honouring the Xenomorph.

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the derelict crash landed on lv426 didnt it? so maybe just didnt have the time or the equipment to destroy them there and then and the engineers on 223 experimenting with black goo perhaps trying to find a way to create a xeno they could control or find a way to control the xenos they had much like the company would have had to do if they got their hands on one
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Which is what I am saying, the new Xenomorph in Prometheus is a redesigned version of that on LV-426, intended to be safely transported and eliminating the possibility of the Engineers again falling foul to their weapon. Problem is, it didn't work, as shown by all the dead engineers.

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Good point Snorkelbottom. The zeno in the mural was the "goal", but it failed to be somewhat controllable. The engineers used a barren planet for a reason, so there must be some history there for the need for a remote installation. I think the engineer outbreak- far more than the end of the film, is what ties this to Alien. 2000+/- years prior, at least ONE ship made it off the planet with an infected engineer at the controls, which crashes on LV-426. The eggs weren't put there by SJs, but by whatever came from the pilot's chest. The ship has MANY automated systems built into it, so providing some type of "stasis" for those eggs after the fact is not that difficult to imagine. The same type vessel (or technology, at least) protected the urns for 2000 years without help, so why not? After all, such automation is just a fail-safe. Breaking those safeties requires a simple manual override, such as David opening the door... The only part that bothers me is that some SJs were apparently killed by bursters. If the SJ bodies were still around, then where are the bodies of the zenos? Maybe the head burst in the med lab was supposed to bridge that hole. I can't remember if the bodies were verified as burst in the body or just the head... I'll have to watch for that Friday on the third viewing...

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