Alien: Earth and Alien: Romulus sequel news

The Secrets of the Black Liquid REVEALED

35688 Views318 Replies
Forum Topic

Gavin

MemberTrilobiteJune 06, 2012
To understand the Secrets of the the contents of the urns/ampules we first have to separate them into their component parts... [Edited 02-12-2012] [u]The Seed[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusE_screencap7.jpg[/img] A genetically engineered substance created by the Engineers, it is stored within the vials found within the urns/ampules. This thick, viscous black liquid which was consumed by the Sacrificial Engineer (the Seeding) and unwittingly by Holloway, has three underlining properties: 1. When ingested by an organism (Sacrficial Engineer/Hollway) the "Seed" combines with the cells of the organism, causing the host organism to break down at a cellular level - every cell of their body becoming a viral genetic mutagen, capable of being consumed by other organisms. 2. This viral genetic mutagen, when ingested by other organisms, adds/replaces genes of that organism with those of the host whom consumed the "Seed", imprinting the hosts DNA/Genome onto an indigenous ecosystem. This viral genetic mutagen also acts as an evolutionary accelerant, exponentially mutating organisms with the genetic template/traits from the host (LV-223 worms). 3. The evolutionary accelerant aspect of the mutagen also has the side effect of revitalizing dead/dying cells, seeming resulting in re-animation (Shaws womb/Fifield). [u]The Black Liquid[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap47.jpg[/img] The black slimy liquid stored within the urns/ampules is NOT the same substance that was stored within the vials, and contrary to my original theoryis NOT the genetic material of the Xenomorph. This substance is an inert transmission medium, that when combined with the Seed creates an oil like substance, making weaponized transmission of the Seed more effective. [u]The Urns/Ampules[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusK_screencap31.jpg[/img] The urns/ampules are medium for storing and deploying both the "Seed" and the transmission medium. When triggered/smashed the "Seed" (see above) and the transmission medium mix, creating an oil like substance, that is more viscous than the Seed, and a more effective means of transmission. [u]The Xenomorph[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap49.jpg[/img] As shown by this mural, the xenomorph is of some importance to the Engineers. Lets look at their known history regards the Xenomorph... - Thousands of years ago, an Engineer craft carrying a cargo of Xenomorph was forced to land on the moon/planetoid LV-426 when its lone pilot unwillingly became host to one of its cargo. It may be that this craft had previosly visited LV-223 and acquired a payload of the urns before deploying them onto a distant planet. Then after acquiring the eggs that would have remained after the infestation befell its fate upon its return either to LV-223 or the Engineers home world/system. - 2000 years ago, a team of Engineers stationed on LV-223 prepared to deploy a cargo of urns/ampules to Earth, when one of them inadvertantly unleashed the contents quarantining the base. As seen in the movie, the urns are the viral deployment method used to instigate a Xenomorph infestation. The urns were designed to ensure safe transport and efficient deployment of the Xenomorph. [u]The Dark Truth - Completely Rethought[/u] Taking what we have learnt about the urns/ampules, their contents and the Engineers established history with the xenomorph, and combining that with what we have seen in the Prometheus and Alien movies, leads us towards a dark, disturbing truth... [b]Phase 1 - The Seeding[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/sacrificial_engineer_prometheus2.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers visit primordial planets supporting basic, simple life, whereupon a lone "Sacrificial Engineer" ingests the "Seed", sacrificed his life and seeding the planet with the seed and his DNA, resulting in an ecosystem entirely dominated by the Xenomorph (This is what we see at the start of the film).[/b] [b]Phase 2 - The Rebirth[/b] [b]An ecosystem dominated by the Xenomorph results in the exhausting of viable hosts. To combat this the Xenomorph at a genetic level introduced Y chromosome into its genome, giving rise to infertile males (smooth carapaced warriors), and then fertile males (Kings).[/b] [b]Upon consummating with Kings, Queens become capable of producing a second type of egg, incubating a sub-species of hosts, pale skinned humanoids - Engineers.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - The Harvest[/b] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/david_earth.jpg[/img] [b]Systematically a percentage of these Engineers are drafted into Engineer society. Seeking a more efficient means of reproducing the Engineers weaponize the Seed, for deployment upon worlds inhabited by Engineer children, sired before the weaponization of the Seed (the method of this siring not yet seen).[/b] [b]The Xenomorph DNA, hidden with "human DNA" asserts itself and spreads across the sired planets, resulting in a Xenomorph dominated ecosystem. Once all viable hosts are exhausted, the King Xenomorph is sired and Engineers are born.[/b] [b]Phase 3 - Collection[/b] [img]http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac89/snorkelbottom/AlienInfestedWorld.jpg[/img] [b]The Engineers collect a percentage of Xenomorph (eggs) before transporting them to a location whereby they can be used to produce more Seed (also as yet unseen).[/b] [u]Why Create Only To Destroy[/u] [b]Here's a summary of what we know so far...[/b] [b][/b] [b]- A Sacrificial Engineer sacrifices his life, seeding life upon a primordial world, using his own genetic material. To date we the fans have assumed this action, through natural selection and engineering, resulted in billions of clones/children of the Engineer to evolve, in his image - us.[/b] [b]But The consumption of the Seed by Holloway results in the creation of a Xenomorph in the form of the Deacon, therefore we must assume our initial belief to be false - meaning that the Sacrificial Engineer was not siring a planet of life that would evolve into human form, but instead cultivating a world that would be dominated by the Xenomorph.[/b] [b]- The Urns show that the urns are a means to deploy the Xenomorph amongst human races also sired by Engineers, as shown by the DNA match in the movie.[/b] [b]- The Xenomorph extrapolates genetic material from its hosts, propagating its own kind.[/b] [b]- Once all hosts are exhausted, the Xenomorphs would need a means to continue their existence, otherwise they would die, and only their eggs would remain.[/b] [b]- The Engineers return to gather the eggs.[/b] [b][/b] [b]WHY? Why would the Engineers seed a planet to create millions/billions of clones/children in their image and using their own DNA only to later wipe them out using the Xenomorph? Well I believe I may have the answer...[/b] [b][/b] [b]The Xenomorph, as we know it, is capable of eradicating an entire ecosystem of its indigenous population by using said life forms as hosts to propagate its own species. When gestating inside a host, Xenomorph embryos extrapolate genetic material and traits from their host, to add to their own genome and to adapt to the environment and ecosystem which they have been deployed into. It is this trait of the Xenomorph I believe that holds the key...[/b] [u]Genetic Material[/u] [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheusO_screencap14.jpg[/img] [b]We, the human race have evolved from and continue to evolve from the Engineers genetic material. Our genetic material, our genome is almost identical to that of the Engineers. This same genetic material is extrapolated by the Xenomorph, a deadly genetic and bio-mechanical creation held in some regard by the Engineers, themselves expertics in genetic and bio-mechanical engineering.[/b] [b][/b] [b][i]To the Engineers the human race are "Maize". Once we have grown to required amount in number and in the required way, we are harvested, and the Xenomorph is the "Harvester".[/i][/b] [b][/b] [b]Our genes/DNA/Genome/genetic material is the "Maize", that is what the Engineers want/need, and the Xenomorph is the means by which to harvest our genetic material. But why?[/b]

User Avatar
loseyourname
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
It doesn't make any sense for engineers to seed a planet, creating an entire biosphere, for the sole purpose of waiting 4 billion years to then wipe out a single species (which may or may not evolve on any given seeded planet), in order to breed more of something else. They could have just cloned themselves if that was their purpose, or used prisoners the way humans do to breed xenomorphs. It would be the single most stupidly inefficient way of doing something ever devised, and if that was actually your purpose, who is to say that your descendants in 4 billion years will still want to do it? Or hell, that you'll still have living descendants in 4 billion years? Do you expect humans to still be around that long from now? Xenomorphs are also a little overrated as "planet killers." They're great in close combat in tight spaces, but let's be real: if not for the nuclear reactor, the colonial Marines would have wiped them out in minutes. If they arrived on Earth in 2094, they'd stand no chance at all. They have no long-range weapons, no means of crossing large bodies of water, and they'd be at a huge disadvantage in an open field even against enemies simply armed with bows, spears, catapults, and fire. Even in Roman times they'd likely take out a city or two and otherwise be contained. Actual germs are the way to go if you're looking for a biological weapon. Black Plague wiped out more than half of Europe and a hundred times what a payload of xenomorphs would wipe out. They'd be great for taking out isolated outposts of unarmed people, which is what we've seen them do in other films. They're not a means of taking out an entire species spread out over an entire planet.
User Avatar
Nuck Chorris
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
Well the engineers (or their bosses) must have lot of patience to wait for millions of years in evolution till something (or maybe nothing) comes out of that sacrifice engineer who "seeds" his dna on some planet. I think we simply dont know the logic and can use all the hints and reconstruct the life processes and nonetheless we can be on the wrong path, or it will never be answered in any sequel to keep the mystery alive, to make sure people also debate in 20 years what it all could mean. Thats the trick, Potter! Not minding that you will never get an answer and your brain is fooled and will never stop to search for the answer - but in this case, there IS NO ANSWER as this is a sci-fi plot, coming from the brain of a screenwriter sitting in a cafe in new york and having a smile...
User Avatar
katanga
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
Wow, you've put a lot of time into this conclusion and it was a good read. But if the black liquid is a evolutionary accelerant why do modern day humans not continue to evolve at this accelerated pace? (10 hours = approx.3 months). When did this accelerated evolution stop? Also if the Engineer DNA seeded life on Earth, why don't all organisms on Earth have common DNA with the Engineers? Let's face it, the Engineers and Humans were an exact match on the DNA doo-hickey. You would think that their DNA would have spread throughout the world and there would be a lot more modern day animals and maybe even plants that came into contact with the Engineer DNA way back when, and then evolved slightly differently from us because of their slightly different starting point DNA and different environmental conditions over the years but would retain some similarities and possibly evolved intelligence as well.
User Avatar
Gavin
Group: Member
Rank: Trilobite
View Profile
@ Katanga, Think about it... [i]But if the black liquid is a evolutionary accelerant why do modern day humans not continue to evolve at this accelerated pace? (10 hours = approx.3 months). When did this accelerated evolution stop?[/i] The evolutionary accelerant would have been diffused, diluted over time. It would have vastly mutated life on Earth immediately after the Seeding, but would have weakened gradually with each generation. [i]Also if the Engineer DNA seeded life on Earth, why don't all organisms on Earth have common DNA with the Engineers? Let's face it, the Engineers and Humans were an exact match on the DNA doo-hickey. You would think that their DNA would have spread throughout the world and there would be a lot more modern day animals and maybe even plants that came into contact with the Engineer DNA way back when, and then evolved slightly differently from us because of their slightly different starting point DNA and different environmental conditions over the years but would retain some similarities and possibly evolved intelligence as well.[/i] But most vertebrate lifeforms on Earth follow the template of the Engineers DNA - Alligators, Cats, Fish, Elephants, Birds, Primates all share similarities... four limbs, five digits per limb, two eyes, two ears, 1 mouth etc, etc.

User Avatar
katanga
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
[quote]But most vertebrate lifeforms on Earth follow the template of the Engineers DNA - Alligators, Cats, Fish, Elephants, Birds, Primates all share similarities... four limbs, five digits per limb, two eyes, two ears, 1 mouth etc, etc.[/quote] Nice try. But then how are Engineers and Humans an exact match? Humans and alligators are lightyears apart.
User Avatar
Gavin
Group: Member
Rank: Trilobite
View Profile
@ Katanga... Lightyears, nah nowhere near. You do understand the many and various aspects of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution]Evolution[/url]... You do know that Humans, Canines and Felines all share a common ancestor, which itself shares a common ancestor with all mammalian life, which evolved from paramammals, themselves evolved from reptiles. Of which Crocodillion's are, of whom predate the dinosaurs and have themselves been on earth for 350-300 million years. Reptiles of which eveolved from amphibious life, which evolved from lung/lobefish whom ventured onto land from the oceans. Regards why only humans have developed to mirror the Engineers - Genetic Engineering/Programming, something of which they are obviously experts at.

User Avatar
Hadley's Hope
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
You are describing a process of increasing diversity, with mutations, adaptations, and interbreeding of closely related genomes, on a planet beset with challenges, natural disasters, hostile predators and poisonous plants, and many, many intermediary species of primate, any of which could have branched off to be the dominant species. It does strain credibility to think that after billions of years, the genome would suddenly re-express itself as a match to the original. We share common genetic material with all mammals, but we are getting less like them, not converging towards them. Evolution is a divergent process. If I were to shred a jumbo jet, and give it to the Apes from Planet of the Apes, and wait for their technology to advance to intercontinental flight. Would we expect a 747? Or something that had some common features due to the technology it gave rise to along the way?
User Avatar
LV420
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
Thanks. I was debating with a friend whether or not the liquid inside the vials was the same liquid leaking from the urns, so I'll show him this page.
User Avatar
CULT
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
So, maybe black goo + seed makes egg? Ship crashes urns break eggs grow? Or has this been discussed and discounted. It's my theory and I'm sticking to it...
User Avatar
Gavin
Group: Member
Rank: Trilobite
View Profile
We see in the film that the contents of the urn when combined create a Xenomorph, which would in turn create an egg. An egg is not produced when the urns are triggered/smashed as shown in the film - there were no eggs in the chamber when the crew returned and discovered Milburn and Fifields remains.

User Avatar
CULT
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
Not sure I follow. I'll re-read the topic but I don't see examples in the film of what u mention.. consider Achems Razor.. goo + seed = egg seems pretty elegantly simple to me...
User Avatar
CULT
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
Yea, I do like where you're going with all this.. but I'm missing something you're seeing... It all makes somewhat good sense until G + S = Xm I'd say your argument makes much more logical sense as G + S = Eg If you are going to extract and propigate DNA from a host the later equation seems both wasteful and unessary redundant.. But that's just me. Good theory though. The best I like so far.
User Avatar
CULT
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
Ok. Let me put it like this.. to accomplish what you suggest you want a FACEHUGGER... That's the little bastard that's going to accomplish the job.. By definition the xenomorph can not exist without the cross contamination of DNA types... isn't that A L I E N 101? It's the FH that is the champion DNA splicer.. and the Engineers true WMD.. But then again we're bound to argue of which came first, the xenomorph or the egg aren't we?
User Avatar
LV420
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
Interesting note: O'Bannon's early drafts of ALIEN had Kane entering a room full of urns, not eggs. He curiously removes the lid of an urn only to have a facehugger jump out...
User Avatar
CULT
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
LV - I'm gonna swing your planetoid if that's ok w you...
User Avatar
LV420
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
We've got ourselves a nice Atmosphere Processor here... It's a 4 footer.
User Avatar
Mopar McNeer
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
So, I wanted to clarify, are the OP's "facts" actually proven facts or just theories? If they are proven, can you cross reference the sources. I'm most interested in a particular fact, that the seed and black goo are not the same. It does totally make sense to me, but the movie doesn't necessarily support this. If the black goo is Xeno DNA, I can see that the work turns into the space snake, but then when Farfield (sp) goes face first into the black goo, he turns into a wolf/zombie superhuman creature, not really any Xeno characteristics there. Can anyone help explain this (sorry if I've missed it somewhere else in this thread or on the forums). And thank you to the OP of this thread, it has given me a lot to consider. I thought alot about this yesterday when I went to see the film for a second time.
User Avatar
Gavin
Group: Member
Rank: Trilobite
View Profile
@ CULTOFALIEN Regards the theory that Seed + Liquid = Egg. As stated in an earlier reply this is not shown in the movie... When the Urns are triggered, the Seed and the Liquid combine before leaking from the urns, which in turn accelerated the worms into the hammerpede (acid for blood). To clarify... - Seed + Engineer = Engineer based mutagen - Seed + Black Liquid = Xenomorph based mutagen @ Mopar McNeer Everything in the OP is logical deduction and evaluation from what is seen, shown and inferred from both Prometheus and the Alien franchise.

User Avatar
CULT
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile
I don't see the goo and seed combining during the oozing. The atmosphere triggers condensation which is responsible for the sweating of the urns... I'm not so sure there is a seed mixture going on.. but that's just my best guess given your theory (which is damn good IMO)
User Avatar
Gavin
Group: Member
Rank: Trilobite
View Profile
The atmosphere triggers condensation, which in turn triggers the Seed within the vials to be released, mixing with the Black Liquid, and the resulting chemical reaction causes the combined substance to ooze from the urns.

Join the discussion!



Recently Active Forums
Alien: Covenant
Alien: CovenantDiscuss the Prometheus Sequel, Alien: Covenant
Alien: Earth Series
Alien: Earth SeriesDiscuss the Alien FX TV series here!
Prometheus Fan Art
Prometheus Fan ArtArtwork & Fiction From the Fans
Alien
AlienDiscuss all things Alien here
New Forum Topics
Hot Forum Topics
Highest Forum Ranks Unlocked
Svanya
Svanya » Praetorian
89% To Next Rank
ninXeno426
ninXeno426 » Praetorian
62% To Next Rank
Thoughts_Dreams
Thoughts_Dreams » Neomorph
89% To Next Rank
Neomorph
Neomorph » Chestburster
94% To Next Rank
cuponator3000
cuponator3000 » Chestburster
84% To Next Rank
Latest Media
Community Stats
This Alien Movie Universe community is part of the Scified network. Scified hosts a network of online fan-site communities containing 406,494 posts by 48,460 members (18 are online now). The Alien: Covenant Forum is the most recently active forum. The latest Forum topic added was: Origae 6 possibly colonized?
VIPWhat are VIP?AdminModeratorSpecial TitleMember
Join the discussion!
Please sign in to access your profile features!
(Signing in also removes ads!)



Forgot Password?
Scified Website LogoYour sci-fi community, old-school & modern
Hosted Fansites
AlienFansite
GodzillaFansite
PredatorFansite
Main Menu
Community
Sci-Fi Movies
Help & Info
+

Sign In to contribute!