What Happened to the Engineers on LV_223?

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Chris

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In Prometheus Fifield and Milburn stumble upon a pile of dead Engineers in their Bio-Suits in the East wing of the Alien Temple. Some of the Engineers show busted heads, others show busted rub cages. What could have caused this? [center][url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/121][img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap30.jpg[/img][/url][/center] Obviously, something got "out" in the Temple and prevented the Engineers from departing from LV_223 some 2000 years prior to the events of December, 2093. When David activated the holographic recording of the Engineers running away from something, the crew follow them to entrance of the Ampule Room where one of the Engineers perished at the foot of the door before being decapitated by it. [center][url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/119][img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap28.jpg[/img][/url][/center] Why were the Engineers seeking refuge in the Ampule in the first place? Where did they go? Were they eventually found in that room and dragged to where Fifield and Milburn discover their dead remains? Also, where are the beings responsible for this? Did they disappear? Or perhaps did they hijack one of the other Juggernaut Space Vessels as it was attempting to escape and this is what brings us to ALIEN? Could the original Xenomorph creation (Seen in the Mural) be the cause of this massacre? Could they have gotten on one of the ships without the Engineer knowing? Or was this something else? Could it have been a different breed of Alien? An interesting thing to note is that the way in which the Engineers were all gathered in one place and then killed (I'm assuming) mimics that of what we see in ALIENS and even a deleted scene of ALIEN - where the Xenomorphs drag their victims to a spot, near the Hive's core where they can be impregnated and the offspring born without danger. Could an Alien Hive have been created on LV_223 inside the Engineer Temple? Could a premature Queen have emerged and started reproducing and forming a Hive? If so, then what caused them to disappear? Why did Fifield and Milburn not discover Hive resin on the walls? Or any remains from the antagonists? Could the Aliens have ventured to another Temple in search of more hosts? Or did the Engineers find a way to stop them somehow? This topic contains many, many, many questions for you all to dissect and speculate over. Post your thoughts and opinions on this here! Hopefully we will get our answer when Prometheus 2 surfaces!

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October 01, 2012

@BigDave [b]Also we see as the Engineers are first shown running away that a few are looking back over their shoulders and one of them falls over but he is not the last of the bunch and the first one to fall over had about 3 more behind him. We then see next the one at the back (maybe one who fell and got overtaken) was also looking over his shoulder.[/b] I saw the movie recently and i agree with you.They were running from something else not the infected Engineer.

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October 01, 2012

@ Xeno1985 Agreed. After seeing again, the engineer who collapses *was* looking behind him, like he was running from something.

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October 01, 2012

Right at the start of the recording you can hear a loud scream or a growl, whichever works. At the final scene when another deacon is born out of the engineer's body you can hear him growl the same type of growl as heard in the recording. I would therefore think the engineers were running from a deacon that has possibly gone out of control and was hunting them, eventually killing all but the last one in crayo

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October 01, 2012

@ meidz Excellent observation. Yes, same scream.

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October 02, 2012

By the way,I believe the green goo in the Chamber is the blood of the Xenomorph.

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October 03, 2012

I am not thinking it is a Deacon not one that is the same as the one in the movie. As that creature was not pure Xeno... You see we see the Face Hugger in Alien onwards is a pure Organism that comes from the Egg and we see that the resulting Xenos look similar regardless of Host. The Deacon had no Tail, it also never had the tubes on its back and finally its teeth are well Human looking, and this is because it was born from a Hybrid Face Hugger that contained Human+Xeno DNA that implanted the Engineer. We do not know yet what would come from a Engineer getting Face Hugged by the traditional Xeno, but we could assume that it would be bigger than the Normal Xenos from Human Hosts but i would believe it would still look pretty much more Xeno than Deacon. Also the Chest Buster in Alien from the Space Jockey was not massive judging by the hole it made. We do not know what the outcome of a mutated Engineer would be if infected with the Black Substance in the Urns, we could assume that this turns them into Xenos and thats where the Xeno and Space Jockey/Pressure suits similarities come from, hence the Xeno Bio Mech is from the suits... But then these Engineer boddies would not be about would they not like that. So it could be that they was Chest Busted some how, could this be with. 1) Traditional Face Hugger. 2) A Organism created by the Goo that acts as a Face Hugger. 3) That the goo some how just produces a Chest Buster inside the Engineers and not actually mutates them. We just dont know for sure yet.

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October 20, 2012

Whatever happened to happened to all the bases on lv233. Makes me think that they were sabotaged. Maybe by the peace prone engineers or by the creature in the ceiling mural. I don't know but it doesn't make sense they wouldn't understand how the goo they made would work. To me there has to be another variable to this.

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October 20, 2012

What just occurred to me was that the black goo doesn't mutate the Engineers it makes they're DNA deteriorate but it makes us (humans) and other creatures mutate so I propose that this black goo is a naturally occurring 'resource/element' from the Engineers home world or it could be excreted by an animal from the Engineers home world therefore the Engineers would 'harvest' it and store it in the urns and I believe that the clear jelly like substance at the bottom of the urn is a nutrient for the goo because considering it mutates thing it could be a living organism therefore it would need sustenance alternatively it could be a cooling agent to stop the goo from 'boiling' over but when the air around it changes it heats up to fast so it's unstoppable. Please correct me if you think I'm wrong because this is all about finding truth amongst lies.

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October 22, 2012

>It does seem somewhat unrealistic, however, that the engineers, who are an extremely advanced >race, controlling bio-weapons of sorts at the level we see and who have been around for billions >of years, couldn't control an outbreak. It's also odd that at that level of sophistication, they're >operating their work in, what would appear to be a primitive stone temple. It seems sloppy and >represents a level of concern for safety that's so low, it's a wonder it hasn't happened more often. My thinking was that they could not control it any better than the humans who tried to control the xenos fared.

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October 26, 2012

"..be a cooling agent to stop the goo from 'boiling' over but when the air around it changes it heats up to fast so it's unstoppable.." The amount and the way the goo oozes out of the urns is suspect to me. So much of what we can tell of the Engineers is neat..precise,,functional,,arranged..ect.. The Engineer society must have planned how the goo would enter,,..mix..in any world the ampules is sent to.. That scene with Fifield and Millburn,.,.walking through the leaking urns...just looked more like something else. working on the room.. Maybe this was all an accident,,not forseen ny The Engineers,,which accounts for the dispaly in the Big Head room. Maybe Humans and Engineers are the victims of some other storyline...more sinister than what we think.. I could deal with explodiong urns,,,but leaking,,sloppy urns just does not fit in the Engineers' culture..

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October 26, 2012

I don't see any busted rib cages, only one hole in one of their helmets/ heads. The rib cage like things you see are part of their suits. What killed them did so by making their heads explode, "from within". The explosion was stopped in the decapitated one by its death, then allowed to happen when the flesh was tricked into thinking it was still alive. Another faction, intent on destroying the engineers, was probably responsible.

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October 26, 2012

"..What killed them did so by making their heads explode.." JUst before this scene,,,the beheded Engineer was unmasked. To me it looked like he was content,,,With the events just before he was beheaded,, I would have expected a contorted face,,,at least. If the other Engineers did indeed see heads explode,,,they must have felt extreme tension,,knowing they couhoweverld be wiped out. I had not seen your line of thinking before,,and it adds to the storyline,,,however I am with you on somebody calling the shots in the pyramid..

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October 26, 2012

Shaw says the decapitated engineer looked like he was trying to figure out what happened just before he died, and she wonders then if there was "an outbreak here" as she puts it. I thought he looked content, too, and as sad as it is, I think he became content when he realized his wouldn't explode after all--seeing his beheading coming. He might have been thinking along the lines of "at least my tissue won't be transformed/ destroyed like that". From their perspective, they would have probably regarded their own forms as near-perfect.

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October 26, 2012

That or that his beheading would be a painless death by comparison.

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October 27, 2012

Yes ..that could, be his 'resignation to his fate'...look..

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October 29, 2012

It looks like their biological doomsday weapon got out of control ( the alien of 1 2 and 3 ) A weapon to wipe out all life forms. This might tie in to alien space jockey trying to escape. But why create this weapon and want to unleash it on us?

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October 30, 2012

The question of "Why create this weapon?" and "Why would they want to destroy the human race?" - has been asked multiple times across multiple forum topic categories and posts. The reality is that the only real answer at this point is: We don't know. It's all guesswork and hypotheses right now. But PERSONALLY, I think a couple of things: 1) The Space Jockeys created life on Earth. 2) They created life on earth "because they could" - meaning, possibly, that given there aren't very many planets that COULD support life, having found one that could, why not spread our existence here? 3) Why destroy the human race? - if that is, in fact, what the intentions of the SJ in the last scene are meant to portray - My guess is that after reading Weiland's thoughts and hearing David's thoughts, maybe his logic was, "After all of their evolution, this is what we have created?? They are better off extinct." Just my thoughts......

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October 30, 2012

m not aware of this... i didn't notice

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October 31, 2012

I don't think the engineers were killed by aliens I think the the weapon they had broke out and they were all infected if you remember shaw noticed that the crew being in the head room had changed the climate causing the black goo to leak from the flasks so suffice to say what the engineers had developed was highly volatile also the weapon was designed for humans not engineers so it affected them in a different way.like a previous post the head room might have had religious value to them but also bear in mind the engineers I think stabilised the weapon as the goo only started producing when David opened the door after two thousand years.also David made matters worse by touching and examining a flask.also a possibility is the engineers killed each other when infected.

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October 31, 2012

Of course another interesting fact is that when the nostromo in alien investigates the ship it is because it finds a message coming from the planet that they eventually work out as a warning when the prometheus arrives at its destination no signal from the planet no warning it would be interesting if that the warning in the original was made by shaw or David somehow either way I reckon there will be two more movies and they will tie everything together and all will be explained.i hope lol

What Happened to the Engineers on LV_223?

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