NEW ARTICLE DETAILS THE CONNECTIONS BETWEEN PROMETHEUS AND ALIEN

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MemberOvomorphJune 10, 20123005 Views37 RepliesCool new article details the connection between the two films. Good read!
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June 11, 2012
Revelation 12:7 A war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fought against the Dragon.The Dragon and his angels fought back but he was defeated. And there was no place left for them in heaven...
Revelation 12:13 And when the Dragon found he was cast to the earth he pursued the woman who gave birth to the man child...
Revelation 12:17 Then the Dragon became furious with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed....
Look closely at the Xeno mural in the temple. Notice the wings.
In Alien 3 the Xeno is referred to as the Dragon.
Could this be the answer to Shaws question "why do you hate us, why do you want to kill us?"
Are the original Xenos fallen Angels still jealous and furious at their Creators beloved creation man. Is this why they were sending a deadly cargo to earth 2000 years ago?Are the engineers worshipers of the beast,doing the will of their God?
June 11, 2012
David -jealous of man- ( man -superior creation ,though flawed) David wants to kill parents.
Lucifer- jealous of man-wants to kill creator ( the Christ)
Look closely at temple mural. Original Xeno worshipped by engineer has wings.(fallen angel)
Xeno-jealous of man ( try's to send deadly cargo 2000 years ago) -try to wipeout bloodline that would bring forth the Christ.
June 11, 2012
Its about time what i dont understand is the ship rising while he has his final drink you see the ship witch looked like the program V ship leaving the planet where they fooled by another species in drinking from the cup witched i noticed had the tree of life on the lid like drink this and you become gods thats my first question?
2 question i was hoping to see the space jockey crawl into his seat and see the alien come out of his chest like the way dallas lambert n kane find him what happen maybe keep it real like the movie the thing they practicly welded both movies together and it was great but anyway ive seen alien like close to a thousand times all my questions where answered other than the 2 i mentioned
June 11, 2012
Well I must say here that there is no evidence that the Engineers want to do anything to us or the Earth. Their plan, whatever it was, years before as captured by there ships system and replayed by David show that obviously one or all of the crew were contaminated and chased and ultimately killed via bursting by some form of proto Xeno. The one surviving Engineer was possibly brought out of hypo sleep too quickly and panicked (wouldn’t you) and then tried to escape. The ships navigation system seems to have been set to travel to Earth; however David could have done this while fiddling with the systems. Remember Ash tried to bring the organism back by stealth in A1 and possibly even Bishop in A's. I reckon Ridley has something else up his sleave and we are all along for the ride. I loved the film, but gotta say hated the xeno creature design. Whoever earlier said that Cobb's designs were used is correct and yet again it looks like the father of the Alien was simply not used. Giger is the only artist who can do Xeno justice in my book. The creatures looked like characters from Ben10! Hated the Vagina Squid the most....
June 11, 2012
The Aliens in the original had a very complex but very predictable lifecycle. They also had what appeared to be a complex social system (matriarchy) and a complex communication system that suggested high level intelligence (lets kill one of us so our blood can eat a hole in the floor and we can escape), (Don't kill my babies and I'll let you take your baby and live) etc etc.
None, Zero, Zilch of this can be explained by a little bit of evolutionary booster dust + a worm or + an octopus etc etc. Its just really poor story writing.
That sort of thing necessarily has to be learned over time in response to evolutionary processes (hunting and survival) or less likely programmed by an intelligence.
Of course had the creatures that escaped from the corpses somehow survived (maybe gotten onto another ship and gone off to another planet or found a food source to prey on) they may have learned the behaviour.
Or alternatively the aliens dna may have been harvested from an original creature.
One theory I was thinking about today was perhaps the dust contains dna from worlds visited by the space jockeys and they use the containers to store copies of creatures from the worlds they visit, like dna zoo's. And the ships are seedships rather then WMD.
The WMD idea is kindof lame, given that humans and life in general could easily be wiped out with a simple time deactivated virus much more efficiently than a bunch of octopi.
June 12, 2012
@ALICEAYERS...i take your point alice i do....but surely this notion that you and many others have entertained...makes even the existence of the engineers an exercise in futility....just go around creating things for no reason and to no end...without fruition of a point...they must be really bored?...we just do it because we can...there's nothing else to do....Theres got to be a reason...as why would they care then to destroy or even get angry at us?....ive ran out of canvas oh i'll just paint over that old one...only again amplifies the exercise of a futile nature....seems and awful lot of trouble to go to...to end up dead themselves of which the body count of space jockeys between prometheus and Alien is well into double figures...collateral damage you may say...but for no reason?...according to your point.
June 12, 2012
@Nickell Also its unlikely the answer given by a drunk cynical crew member "because we could" is anywhere near accurate given the task David was assigned prior to the crew coming out of stasis and the obvious value in being able to create synthetic humans.
Why do we spend so much money on artificial intelligence research and robotics, its not "because we can".
June 12, 2012
@ZYGOTE...yeah man....and as i've said earlier....the engineers are already killed by these beings on quite a few occasions....so they can't completely control them especially in a breakout accidentally or otherwise....so why use them to wipeout humanity and create BILLIONS of them on earth...just because they can?..to what end?..they can't even handle a 'FEW' ahem! as it where...naaahhhh!
June 12, 2012
@zygote,
well, it can be explained by the black stuff (we really need a name for that btw) since we are talking about a movie and not real life. Who is to say that organic extra-terrestrial substance is not capable of making an organisme reach it's full potential based on it's physical structure at that specific moment. Thus evolution based on the physical purely and not on the enviromental - physical relation wich indeed takes years to develop.
With humans, it creates the ubermensch in physical strenght and especially intelligence because of our superior neurology compared to animals. Aliens come from us (spermcel --> facehugger) thus are provided instantly with similair intelligence.
We reproduce ourselves, robots etc. because we indeed can (but not Holloway, that scene is very important!) but also because we must in order to sustain our species. A privilege others (Engineers, Aliens) need a third party for...
This also a very nihilistic point of view, but at least it has motivation.
June 12, 2012
@ELLEN nice comment....but its seems you've described a symbiotic version of the goo (Black Stuff) here.. quote..."Who is to say that organic extra-terrestrial substance is not capable of making an organisme rich it's full potential based on it's physical structure"....which is not the case with this goo....apologies if i've taken it up wrong...and it is a great point if its true....but theres no evidence in the film thus far. and really we wouldn't need the 'XENO' lifecycle if this was the case.
I've put it out there before...that one of the great flaws with the film is 'Davids' motivation for contaminating HOLLOWAY...just really because it doesn't go any where in terms of absolute answers for david interns of holloways reaction..and 'Potential'...we know he impregnates SHAW but that is a by product...but more clearly (to me and i could be wrong) but it's the 3rd different reaction we see to the black goo.... i believe in its essence the black goo is a core (obviously powerful) neutral substance that can be manipulated to suit the needs of the engineers based on their creative or destructive motives....we see the engineer at the start breaking down yet ABSOLUTELY creating at thee nucleus of life....Fyfield absolutely Mutating....And HOLLOWAY...??? well he was both breaking down and mutating ...but spawned life....though NOT human...can this be a co-incindence?...and really HOLLOWAYS goo...seemed to be stored in a different way in glass viles floating in a clear 'gel' or water like substance....so the random nature idea you've implemented just to me seems too random given the un known and indeed random nature that the events WOULD have occurred as opposed to the factual events of the film that DID occur.
June 12, 2012
Hey Nickell, thanks for your thoughts on the matter.
I've derivided my implications on events that did occur but on a primarily visual level. My evolution theorie stems from a couple of scenes:
- The normal worms you see (when they come in the chamber) before they are turned in to 'white superior beings'
- The overal whiteness,strength, classical look of the Engineers
-The spermcel that solemnly wants to impregnate, turns into a squid that needs another to produce it's offspring (spermcel needs egg from uterus)
- Black Goo responds heavenly to co2 (our breath including that of the engineers), therefore not so neutral and very dangerous. But that's a side note.
So, the reason for David to give the black goo to Holloway is to see if he will be turned into a god. Because David's motivation: Seeking eternal life for Weyland, besides his freakishly curiosities. "big things have small beginnings"...
Indeed the black goo has a lifecreating element as well as a desctructive one. But the destructive element is un-controllable imo. Xeno's are an unwanted and uncontrollable epidemic...
Although my theory is indeed far from conclusive, i don't consider it random by any means.
June 12, 2012
@ELLEN Ahhh now i see fully where your coming from from ...i did read your post a couple of times...so made sure i understood it as much as i did...but obviously coming from my own point of view...sorry i thought you'd meant the goos structure...you meant the worms yeah? being affected but the goo?...therefore mutation in the same ways as fyfields? i think thats a great notion and bunch of intelligent ideas having now read your first post in coherence with your second....the only thing i'd be a bit iffy on just looking through your point of view and not my own...is that the "try harder" motivation of david...doesn't assume to turn anything into a God...as its based on nothing and therefore doesn't explain HOLOWAYS mutation or destruction or his own creative aspect in regards SHAW...at the hands of the same goo that mutated so obviously fyfield who didn't look like he was about to make love to anything...and indeed holloway does get up the following morning same time span as fyfiled give or take...there fore gives a notion of contradiction and randomness to the absorption of this goo...if its the same stuff. apart from that loved your post...
June 12, 2012
True,
Davids motivation appears to be lacking, but let's see this through Davids eyes instead of our own. What is he besides a synthetic? To me he is being portrayed as an overly curious computer that is obsessed with existential questions (given his own nature). But more important, he is a synthetic that 'feeds' on information. This becomes noticeable during the first part of the movie when everbody still sleeps.
Sometimes knowledge can be aquired by 'accident' or experiment. David's ethical stance to use humans as experiments should not be an issue as he is constantly denounced as non-human and therefore will not/can not comply to our understanding of good and right.
David has an own agenda of 'information satisfaction' that is secondary to Weylands command wich motivates his hasty actions.
Thanks for the compliment btw!
June 13, 2012
I agree with Aliceayers, that's what I was thinking too. The Engineers basically created a watered down version of themselves (the sacrificial guy in the begining of the movie), and dropped him off on Earth to populate it with hominids eventually, which could then be used to breed xenos.
So there's probably a big galactic war going on somewhere that they just need a shit load of xenos to take out the rebel alliance or something like that.
And what Prehnility was saying, it would be cool if there was a Xeno home planet. Or if the black goo was an extract from the xeno planet that the Engineers discovered could be used as a evolution accelerant. Thus causing such the rapid growth and life cycle of a xeno in such a short time. Also explaining how the trilobite went from a baby squid to an adult squid in just a few hours.
June 14, 2012
Just a note - kindest to lay off the staff comments unless truly an issue - they are all volunteers many of whom had the movie 'spoilered' before they themselves could see it because of their dedication to admining the site and spoiler content.
June 14, 2012
Hi, new here. Anyway, after reading all the posts so far, i feel i need to play devils advocate a little and mention that the idea that humans may have been created specifically to evolve to the point of where we are in the movie solely for the purpose of being hosts for Xenos. Obviously we dont know the context of the mural in the goo room and whether the Engineers revear or fear the Xenos but they clearly have a connection. If the engineers were seeking to create the perfect organism, humans certainly arent the endgame. As proof i refer to Ash and Bishop both referring to the aliens as "perfect" and "beautiful" organisms.
Also, one other thing to add as far as the mural/relief carving of the xeno. (also i apologize in advance if this point has been discussed elsewhere). but what if the Xenos are "God" and the engineers are just working for them to spread their seed throughout the galaxy/universe?
June 16, 2012
I kind of don't want to get too scientific because it is just a movie, and also fiction... However, You can have the exact same DNA and still look completely different because not all genes are expressed. We have many unexpressed genes.
Also, Just using DNA would be a huge coincidence. Life could use XYZ for that matter. Using DNA is possibly unique to earth. We will not know until we find life on another planet. Spielberg had it correct in ET when the scientist were trying to save ET and they said "He's got DNA!" That excitement would be because either it means that all or most life as we know it uses DNA or that we are related. If we find life on Mars, Europa or anywhere else in our solar system and it uses DNA it would lend credence to the Panspermia theory.
In Prometheus we must assume that the engineers created all life using DNA. It would also be safe to assume that the black ooze manipulates any engineer created life forms. So the engineers created it to use against their own creations and not other life forms??? I would also assume that the engineers created the Xeno since it seems to be able to impregnate DNA based life forms (Human, Engineer, Dog, Oxen (Depending on which A3 you watch)). Maybe I am over thinking all of this...