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Viper77
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 3:31 PMRidley Scott has confirmed that the derelict ship on LV-426 had landed there. It did not crash.
Why do we assume LV-426 was a failure or accident? What if it was actually a successful mission? What if LV-426 was the target for destruction?
We know the "Engineers" are willing to sacrifice themselves to create. Perhaps they are called upon to destroy too. Their DNA holds a key for creation, but also for destruction!
Engineer + Goo = Creation
Creation + Goo = Mutation
Mutation + Engineer = Queen
As we know Queen really means destruction :)
The Engineer at LV 223 took off and began heading for Earth and just had the cargo hold full of black goo. LV 426 ship had eggs.... no goo.
Upon arriving at their destination they land. The target organism is always curious and gets into trouble with the Goo. Then mutations start as the creation's DNA + Goo doesn't work quite right. The mutations make it back to the Engineer who awaits in the ship, perhaps on an altar. Once he is infected he kicks off a warning signal and awaits the young Queen to hatch. Thereby the Engineer offers themself as sacrifice to kick start the destructive cycle.
These mutations we see (Hammerpede, Trilobite, etc.) always want to impregnant a host. They are looking to kick-start a destructive cycle and are looking or hunting for an engineer. Once they do -- well the xenomorph lifecycle can take hold.
Anyhow just some creative ideas and thoughts.
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MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 5:00 PMthis stuff... way over my head... then again I'm only 3 foot tall right now...
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Lord Ennio
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 3:55 PMWhat would really be something is if when Shaw arrives at the Enginners' homeworld, that a Xenomorph Queen is the being who runs things on that planet.
craigamore
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 4:13 PMI noticed that many have been upset in their reviews that they did not get answers concerning the original derelict. The why of it being there and such. I'm baffled by this frustration as I found that answer to be rather clear. It isn't spoken of or delivered directly as no one present would know of its fate. How could they? But the answer is found and readable between the lines if you paid attention. Given that the engineers had decided our fate, Shaw exclaims to David's severed head, forgive me for paraphrasing for a lack of clear memory, "that something must have stopped them, changed their minds." In that moment, it hit me, THEY NEVER DID CHANGE THEIR MINDS; especially when you consider the engineer's reaction to their presence. What I'm getting at is the notion that they DID SEND A SHIP TO WIPE OUT LIFE ON EARTH...and it never made it's full journey. An egg was disturbed, perhaps we'll never know, but once again, whatever the reason for that derelict setting down on LV-426, be it mechanical issues and an egg was then disturbed or the disturbing happened in flight, forcing it to set down - chicken first or the egg - it doesn't matter and is still left to our imagination. I liked that notion.
Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 4:19 PMLV-426 is a rock about 750 miles accross with an atmosphere of Nitrogen Argon and Neon.... nothing much will live in that, those are all inert gases that don't burn, which makes metabolism a bit of a problem.
Your formula for what makes what seems wrong.
The stuff the Space Jockey drinks at the start seems different from what Holloway and Fifield were exposed to.
The Xenomorphs have been around longer than Shaw's mutant offspring. Look at the engraving on the back door of the temple.
Fifield may well have been in the process of turning into a simpler version of one (without the biomechanical bits, that resemble engineers suits)
Notice how after a faceful of that stuff, it didn't matter to him that the atmosphere was toxic, or that the acid had melted his eyes. He could sneak around, jump like a Ninja, and kill without fear or mercy until someone got the flamethrower. Surely it reminded you of the scenes in Aliens where the Marines first meet the Xenomorphs?
Ridley even put in a little mini-APC to mimic when Ripley drove over a Xeno.
Also, the Engineer died in his chair. These guys go to all the trouble to build elaborate temples.
Why, if you think it wanted and waited to sacrifice itself for a Queen... would it sit in the pilots seat?
Perhaps it landed rather than crashed... but perhaps it landed because it knew it was infected and that's why it put out the warning.
Syphonox
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 4:23 PMI agree. I did not see Prometheus to get that particular answer, or to see a xenomorph. I consider Prometheus a great success. I also like still theorizing and thinking about how things on LV-426 went down...pun intended!
Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 4:25 PMCraigamore,,, LV-426 is in the wrong direction to target Earth.
Also, Nobody worth listening to said that the juggernaut was planning on wiping us out.
Shaw assumed it. She assumes a lot... invitations, benevolent engineers... etc.
What David said was cryptic (frustrating isn't he?)
"Sometimes in order to create you have to destroy". Sure, to make more engineers you have to take more human captives in the big ship, bring them to LV 223 and turn them into Space Jockeys or Xenomorphs. That's been standard procedure for about 35,000 years it seems.
This mission was not to wipe out Earth... it was just Igor getting more bodies for Dr. Frankenstein.
The Space Jockeys are not our enemies. They are slaves just like David, he will kill you if Weyland tells him to.
You put ONE of them on a ship by himself (notice no other crew, no other stasis pods) and he might have been flying those things away to prevent his masters from using them. It's possible, isn't it?
Red Wolf
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 4:29 PMOK, let's back up a little. Dallas, Kane & Co. find a Space Jockey with its chest blown out while still behind the wheel of the derelict spaceship -- and then they find a bunch of un-hatched eggs in the ship's hold (the rest, as they say, is history).
What DON'T they find? The alien that burst through the SJ's chest and/or the queen alien that's laying all those eggs (likely one in the same). Not until ALIENS, that is, after Burke sends the terraformers looking for it.
Also, assuming the Deacon IS a queen, we cannot logically assume that ALL aliens that exit Engineers' chest cavities are queens (ironically, doing so would be using the infamous "Green Martian" theory).
Lastly, if the last Engineer wanted to help produce a queen, he wouldn't have attempted to leave LV-223. And he CLEARLY was not trying to "communicate" with Shaw, unless you call tearing her to pieces "communicating."
thetato1219
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 5:36 PMUmmm the Xeno that spawned from the Engineer definatley wasn't the queen lol
KingMe
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 6:05 PMFox should have created one of those alchemy game apps for Prometheus. You mix different species together or add black goo to get a new creature. That would have been a cool way to expand the mythology of Alien/Prometheus too. I would have bought it
Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 9:36 PM[u]And he CLEARLY was not trying to "communicate" with Shaw, unless you call tearing her to pieces "communicating."[/u]
Did you see him do anything other than grab her?
Viper77
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 10:36 PMI appreciate the comments - While Prometheus definitely shares the DNA and Universe with Alien, it sure does have a fingerprint from the Lost series that Lindedorf co-wrote. In terms of style and seemingly random events, technologies and historic events that are connected. We are then left to connect them with the glue of our imaginations.
I have read the numerous theories on the board and some are very very interesting and markedly better than mine. I suppose the beauty of the story is the possible solutions and answers that can be dreamed up that logically connect the dots.
I loved the mural on the wall that lets us know the Engineers at least knew of the Xenomorphs and perhaps worshipped them. Perhaps not religiously but at least held them in deep regard and perhaps were experimenting with how to force their creation to be used as a weapon.
So the ship that Shaw and David leave on and head towards the home world - do we suppose that it contains eggs or ampules of the black goo? Could she inadvertently be carrying death to the home world?
Very interested to see the next instalment.
Viper77
MemberOvomorphJun-15-2012 10:42 PMOh - Perhaps not "Force" the creation of the Xeno Morphs - but at least control the creation of them.
Won't it be something if the home world Shaw and Davis is heading towards is actually another human home world, perhaps more ancient than earth and they, the engineers, are actually our slaves there and they are trying to "rise Up" against their creators by using their own creations - the Xenomorphs to fight back.
Sorry I know I'm bordering on randomness but I truly enjoyed the movie and love connecting the dots.
JonTiffany1
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 12:42 AMI had quite a few different thoughts...
First off, provided they're all in the same universe, the aliens in AVP 1 and 2 had to come from somewhere, so who's been making them? Seeing how it preceeds Prometheus by about 75 years.
Also, a sequel to Prometheus needs to tie up MANY loose ends, including the fate of Shaw, the significance of the alien chestburster from the Engineer, the connection between LV-223 and LV-426, and at which point the Weyland Corporation becomes the Weyland-Yutani Corporation, and why.
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