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MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 5:35 PMAll,
Ridley has stated that he CONSIDERED this theory.
CONSIDERED ONLY. So the theory is not true. They thought about it then steered clear. AND THANK HEAVENS THEY DID!
it's a tragically bad theory to try to wrap everything up into the Jesus being a frakking spaceman.
Do you agree?
EDIT- link to monotheism theory is... [url=http://wp.me/p2tPJ3-1A]HERE[/url]
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Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 6:50 PMAnd I'm sure Ridley Scott reserves the right to change his mind any damn time he pleases like everyone else. He can say no and turn around and say yes 5 seconds later if he wants.
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Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 6:53 PM@Jett...Change my mind...I dare you. Really though, if someone gives me reasons that make sense and I can agree with I can change my mind. It's happened before. That's why I invite people to try. I'm not here to say I know everything even though sometimes I act like I do.
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The Truth
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 6:53 PM@Jet Don´t forget the $$.
@Engineering There is a fact that no one can deny and it is the heavy christian symbolism present in the movie.

Lone
MemberPraetorianJun-18-2012 7:23 PM& it would be just like Ridley to tell Harrison to 'act' as if he were human.......& of course Deckard THINKS he's a human......oh bugger never mind I'm doing my own head in.......lol
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Darthgator
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:05 PMI like the theory about the spread of monotheism pissing off the engineers. I just hope that this addressed in the next movie.
I am of the opinion that the sequel will answer some questions, but also generate more questions. Thats what happens in philosophy and science. Anyone who thinks that there are black and white answers in life does not understand the nature of science.

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:06 PMNobody has mentioned that if there is a cave drawing from Hawaii then the whole 'lets go avenge Jesus' plan falls apart. The settlement of Hawaii was at earliest 300 CE (or as the christians say 300 AD) and the Hawaiian cave drawing being 7th Century.
Just sayin...

Jett
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:13 PMYou mean....why Harrison Ford said he played a human in Blade Runner, not a replicant? And why this came up years after the film was made and never hinted at until RS came out with it on his own?
Sounds like a familiar strain from Ridley...years later we find out that the Space Jockey wasn't the skeleton we had all thought it was for dozens of years, but now it's a suit for the purposes of another film?
Or perhaps a recent quote from Ridley is most telling of all in this peculiar trait Ridley seems to have..." A canvas, is never done, it's never done"..speaking about his own pastime painting, and other painters as well, I believe the Old Masters.
A revealing personality trait I beleive, and in full operational mode whenever it can be judicously applied.
Now...Rildey pulled off a convincing arguement for the suit idea with this film, I'll give him that...I'm not happy with it, but it did work..sorta. Barely.
Ford is on record flatly denying he played a replicant and the evidence is legion in his favor...it is no challenge at all to claim years later and EDIT years later as well that the actor who played the role didnt know what role he was playing. There really isnt enough space here to really make the case which shouldnt even be a question LOL
But enough...wheres Jesus? Isnt he supposed to know the real deal, the true blue, the Mojo Raja?
Engineering...youre cool, it's all good.... we're here to just ramble

artyoh
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:20 PMThe unicorn footage from "Legend" was added into the DC [i]long[/i] after "Bladerunner" was in the can.

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:30 PM@Darthgator...[i]I am of the opinion that the sequel will answer some questions, but also generate more questions. Thats what happens in philosophy and science. Anyone who thinks that there are black and white answers in life does not understand the nature of science.
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Amen to all of that. I've always had the PKD view that questions are so much more interesting than the answers. If there even are any answers in the true sense of the word.
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Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:27 PM@The Truth...Oh no, no, no. They can deny it until the cows come home...and they will...they do.
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allinamberclad
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:27 PM@Jett
Agreed.
He is a revisionist. The SJ is a particularly notable example.
The reasons for his revisionism may often be well-founded - and the result something of a justification: but, often the reasons seem questionable and, either way, it is very revealing - and I have the view that the fact of that is not necessarily a very good thing.

Lone
MemberPraetorianJun-18-2012 7:28 PM.....back to the Jesus concept......
A 'being' was sent to earth & we tagged him with the name Jesus?
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:31 PM@Hadley's Hope...How does it fall apart? Not saying it doesn't. Just asking.
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artyoh
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:33 PMThe whole "What if Jesus was an Engineer?" idea was goofy when they came up with it, and it's even more goofy now. No way they'll ever go there beyond the smell of a red herring.

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:33 PM@Amazing_Prometheus...[i]jesus was not a massive bald headed Engineer for frak's sake!!![/i]
They made humans...they could have made Jesus as well for frak's sake.
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The Truth
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:38 PM^Let them be, the only support for their contradiction is "it is stupid so its not true".
The only one who gave an actual reason was Hadley´s Hope.

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:39 PM@artyoh...[i]The unicorn footage from "Legend" was added into the DC long after "Bladerunner" was in the can.
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Ridiculous viewer assumption. Many people envolved in the production of Blade Runner have confirmed that the footage was shot for Blade Runner. Go read Future Noir and get the facts.
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Jett
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:39 PMEngineering...that seems to be the question that was intended to be debated and pondered....I dont think that Ridley just let that slip out..OOOPS I drooled on myself, didnt mean that....I see it as calculating, deliberately so

Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:39 PMHow does the 'avenge Jesus' idea fall apart from the Hawai'an drawing?
Well,' Jesus' supposedly born 0 AD and died 33 AD... and Hawai'an drawing dated 647 years AFTER that... suggests to me that they didn't wipe us out in the 7th century after 'Jesus'. And suggests that the Juggernaut in the film was not planning to do so either. It is merely Shaw's imagination that makes this assumption based on her biased judgement, and her fear of what Davids very calculated and vague statement means.

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:41 PMI gotta run right now but someone go and start a thread in the Community Discussions section about Blade Runner. Another question and answer thread. Funny that questions are ok in Blade Runner but not in Prometheus. Nothing but the whites of my eyes are visible right now.
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Jett
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 7:43 PMNo unicorn sequence when I saw Blade Runner in its day.. no narration either

artyoh
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 8:09 PMIn an interviiew, David Peoples ( co-screenwriter for "Bladerunner" ) once claimed that it [i]was[/i] footage from "Legend." Scott has claimed that it was shot for "Bladerunner" but producers were afraid it would "confuse" audiences, and that it was too "artsy" for the theatrical release. In any event, it wasn't in the original theatrical release, soooooo..........

hrphotoman
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 8:18 PMI don't know why this is a big deal. RS said it was it was an original idea but didn't go with it. Probably because if he said Jesus was an alien, the movie would have been pegged as the Jesus is an alien movie instead of a sci-fi flick with aliens.
It seems to me that the people who are making a big deal about it are those who are disappointed that Jesus could have possibly been in the story line to begin with. Not from a religious/blasphemous how dare you kick Christianity meme but from those who just like to hate on Jesus.

Jett
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 8:33 PM@artyoh Another blurb I read at the time was that the Unicorn footage that was shot for Legend was inserted into BR for two purposes...one, to be a sort of embedded plug for Legend, and to attempt to back up Ridley's then brand new claim of Replicant status for Deckard.
From what I hear about a stormy relationship between the two men, I suspect this..Ridley had it in mind to get Ford to play Deckard as a Replicant... and Ford didnt go along with it, saw the story and script in a different way.
And Ford won, at the time a true MegaStar with enormous power, far more than the English director, top dog back home, but not in Hollywood. I think Ridley accidently created a lot of his own problems with Hollywood, which are now legend...and he didnt help change that this time around...he didnt bring much actual work to Hollywood..something that is deeply resented.
I don't think it's any accident that Gladiator won Oscars for actor, picture...but not director.

Coal miners daughter
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 8:43 PMThe Truth said
› Posted Jun-18-2012 6:01 PM
Its ok if you don´t believe it, some people just can´t handle the truth ;•)
What if the Xeno in the temple mural is the original fallen angel and the engineers are the nephilim( crossbreed of angels and daughters of men)
Original fallen angel was cast out because of his jealousy of man.
Main theme of movie - David's complex.
What if original fallen angel ( Xeno in mural worshipped by engineers) had plans to wipe out what Ridley calls (the emissary) 2000 years ago.
What if his failure resulted in ( the emissary completing his mission -saving humanity) and decided to make war with the remnant of the bloodline that ( the emissary) was born through.
Maybe that answers Shaws question " why do you hate us ? Why do you want to kill us?
Read revelations 12
Most people can't handle the Truth and will get furious when you try to imply someone may have used the greatest story ever told in the context of their sci- fi movie. After all it's the last place they have to hide from the Truth. In the Dark.

Not_my_intention
MemberOvomorphJun-18-2012 8:56 PMyeah i think it is kind of implied but not necessarily true. and i do feel that this theory should get a little less crap then it does, yes it sound ridicules at first but that's the only reason why you dont like it, because it sound ridicules lol but when you think about it its not actually that ridicules.
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