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Could Vickers be alive?

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JonSolo

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 8:49 AM
I think Meredith Vickers [i]might[/i] still be alive for the sequel. The reason I think this is firstly her escape from the Prometheus, I think it has significance beyond simply what her character would try to do. Next, we don't actually see her die, we just hear her cry out as the ship rolls forward. She might have lucked out as Shaw did and gotten into a hollow, then escape when the ship fell sideways. When Janek is telling her to escape, he mentiones her "separate module"/"escape pod", specifically saying it has "two years" worth of life support. Earlier in the film, Fifield mentions that the travel time from earth was two years, as does David when he says he has been studying proto-langauges for two years... Of course, she has the Deacon alien thing to deal with, but perhaps somehow that's the genesis for the derelict on LV-426. My full thoughts on the film [url=http://geekwordofmouth.blogspot.com/2012/06/prometheal-remains.html]here[/url].
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Mala'kak

MemberOvomorphOct-04-2012 4:32 PM
Could Vickers be the first truly bio-mechanical human being?? Closest thing to a daughter to Weyland-- but only a prototype. And Theron is not lying when she says Vickers is dead and not a "robot" as we currently know them. Could she be reborn for a purpose and then cause problems for David?? A ready made cyborg-like prototype design for David to re-create and alter during his upgrade of humanity. "Sometimes to create you must first destroy." David doesn't specify who he's talking about. I originally thought Shaw was going to be the first of a handful of cyborg types of humanoid robots that are bio-mechanical. Weyland eventually thought giving androids emotions and making them more real would make for more controllable/intelligent servants. He wanted the machinery to be real, and saw Vickers as a failure because she was "too human". Ironically David's emotions have caused him to become "too human" and David denies this: "not too human I hope". Each of them is more human than human in their own ways. David being secretly more emotional than the crew. Vickers being mostly emotionless like much of the crew, and secretly more than just human flesh. So the answer to janek's question are you a robot is a complicated one because Vickers is real and a robot at the same time. She's half and half so she can't tell him-- She despises her mechanical side and what her Father has done to her. She sees herself as more real than David because she was at one point completely human. Grown in a lab out of twins that Weyland forced to keep dividing to form triplets, quadruplets and so on. Basically there are a number of Vickers clones/twins back on Earth ready to be made Bio-mechanical. This would be why there are twin orderlies aboard the craft with Weyland that attend to him/serve him and are only seen together in the movie once. The twins were originally one zygote which Weyland manipulated and forced to split into twins, triplets, and so on. In this way he could get a number of identical servants from the donors' genetic material. He grows some of his servants, and creates his "children". Weyland has been playing god a lot and messing around with creation. Vickers thinks she should run the company. When in bed with Janek she has to show him she is mostly real. Sex is a human act, so because she favors her human side she makes Janek think she's completely human by having sex with him. Like many other things in the movie she's half and half: A prequel and not a prequel. Science and Faith mixed in shaw's character, In the universe-- but a parallel story. The black liquid and the xeno genetics mixed together. David as an android who has emotional human understanding. An Alien but also the Deacon And so on and so on... Vickers has been created by her father as Weyland's own experiment in bio-mechanics. David's near immortal, extremely intelligent, and has some leadership qualities (although there's some bad leadership qualities too). Vickers less so, because she panics under the pressure and is not really in control. As a near-godly/ immortal being David may try his hand at creation. Or re-creation. He may bring Vickers back, in a way, to deceive the company and let him secretly take a place on the throne...

aintnozeno

MemberOvomorphOct-09-2012 11:25 AM
From a business perspective, without an heir to the Weyland Corporation there is no reason to keep that name. Had Yutani taken over (or "merged"), then the company name would probably change. It's how it works most often today anyway. It helps sell the acquisition to the shareholders and public as a new offering. "Under new management", so to speak. I like the idea of Vickers surviving. As has been said, it sets up a nice pre-zeno-Alien story. If the deacon was exposed to an urn, the resulting transformation could at least provide a path to some continuity with the classic Alien.

IapetusSM

MemberOvomorphOct-18-2012 3:59 AM
As Meredith Vickers is almost certainly some sort of 'skin job' (android or bio-mechanical mentioned above), or super clone, it is very likely she's [i]alive[/i]. Look at how easily she manhandled David pinning him to the wall and holding him there. Remember that Deckard was a Nexus 6 replicant, without being aware of it. Meredith may or may not be aware that she is something similar.

Jay_Slim

MemberOvomorphOct-18-2012 10:53 PM
I am new here but I would like to add to this discussion if I may. I believe lapetusSM is really on to something here. I am not 100% sure but I am leaning towards this theory. I believe Vickers is alive and I believe she is a hybrid, nexus 7,8 whatever you want to call it. Here's why. If you freeze the frame right before Vickers gets squished as she is raising her hands, you can see cracks all around her in the ground. So it's very plausible that the ground gave way and she is lying in a cave somewhere. I know its a stretch, but we've all seen crazier things like this happen in other movies. When Vickers wakes up from cryo-sleep, she has no sickness whatsover. What's the first thing she does? Push-ups. Ash, also an android in cryo-sleep runs in place to loosen joints. The only reason she presumably has sex with Janek is because he's suspicious of her being a robot. When he asks the question, "are you a robot?" Totally out of character, she's nice and then decides to have sex with him. Only to keep her cover from being blown. Prior to and subsequently after she's a total bitch. Also, I don't know if anyone has picked up this or its been in another thread, but I get this feeling like there is a sibling rivalry between David and Vickers. As LapetusSM points out she totally manhandles him after David talks with Weyland. His "Try harder" line has more bite when you think of it this way. It's as though he relishes being the messenger of Weylands displeasure to her. Something I could picture a brother and sister doing, fighting for a parents affection. Just my thoughts.

IapetusSM

MemberOvomorphOct-19-2012 12:07 PM
I'm new here myself but thanks for your contribution Jay_Slim. Also we have the direct comment from Scott when quizzed about the presence of an android on the ship (i.e. David) prior to the release of Prometheus. Scott said something to the effect that there [i]might[/i] be two. Also interesting that the medical procedure pod in the lifeboat was calibrated for a male rather than a female (presumably with androids it doesn't matter which). I’m almost certain Meredith has made it through alive. Seems a waste of a sub-plot without her. It’s probably not an accident that it’s invariably David, Shaw and Meredith that feature in the promotional stuff.

W

MemberOvomorphOct-21-2012 10:49 PM
Watch Damon Lindelof's commentary on the Prometheus Blu-ray. He says that Vickers wasn't crushed by the juggernaut. Listen carefully! This would also continue the story with the Decon and Vickers. Perhaps Vickers gives birth to the first Queen? Shaw could come back in the juggernaut and that might be the one that crashes on LV-426.

IapetusSM

MemberOvomorphOct-22-2012 5:47 AM
Haven't got blu-ray just normal dvd, but I'd be pretty confident Meredith is alive and kicking.

DenzelTH

MemberOvomorphOct-25-2012 5:51 PM
Maybe vickers is still alive and theres a backup ship arriving with the weyland corp 'people'(because id think they would want to know about peter weyland, and vickers to see who becomes the president of weyland corp,should any of them die) Carrying on, vickers would then inform the weyland corp of the weapons and dangers the engineers posess, and they find the alien deacon and struggle and kill it but realise that the aliens would help to defeat the engineers. Vickers and the weyland corp find another juggernaught ship and set its path for the engineers planet. At the same time David and Shaw would make it to the engineer planet and find out that some engineers are good and others are bad. The top engineers were not happy about the good engineers giving out life so freely, so they want to get rid of that life(cave paintings on earth could've been a trap from them. I think shaw and david will be with the good engineers trying to fend off vickers/weyland.corp attack on the planet and also the bad engineers assault on earth. Its abit out there i know...
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lisam

MemberOvomorphJan-05-2017 10:50 AM

She is so alive in Alien: Covenant  Otherwise, yes, her appearance in Prometheus is a wasted story line and her character serves no purpose.  She or Shaw is going to be the mother of the Queen or perhaps Shaw agrees to become the Queen since she could not procreate.  

QueenElizabethShaw

MemberChestbursterJan-05-2017 11:27 AM

lisam

"Shaw agrees to become the Queen since she could not procreate."

That's some dark shit.

 

Vickers body was probably crushed. Charlize Theron doesn't appear in the credits of AC but who knows if she's just being kept a secret. If she is on AC or subsequent movies I think it would be best if she was in fact an android and we see another model of her (much like we're getting Walter in AC already)

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