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Just saw the film for a 4th time. Well, technically 3 1/2 because the girl I went with got sick and we had to leave. Regardless I had a few new thoughts pop into my head. First, the seed has been planted in my head this week that perhaps David or an earlier version of David had possibly already been to LV-233. This would help to explain a lot but as a lot of other questions with this film there are arguments for as well as against. Someone said that David or another version of David having been to the planet would explain how he was able to open all the doors, initiate the holograms, etc. I do like this theory but when the Prometheus first arrives at LV-233, David opens the shutters or whatever to see out the front of the ship. When he does this the look on his face did not give me the sense that he has been there. I got the feeling that while he has no emotion he had been waiting a long time to see the moon. Also, if an earlier version of David or whatever had visited the moon you would think that all the info from the previous trip would have been implanted into his memory or whatever so I don't think he would have had quite the same look on his face when he first set eyes on it. I know the look on his face is a little flimsy but his knowledge of how to open doors, start the Juggernaut, holograms, etc can be explained because he had, through Dr. Holloway's(He's a doctor too!) thesis and studying ancient languages, learned how to communicate with the Engineers. If he can communicate with them he can obviously read their writing. What I believe is that Weyland, like the company in Alien, had previous knowledge beyond what Shaw and Holloway have told him. This would explain why he would trust their theories enough to fund the mission even though they were relying simply on faith. This would explain why he threw together a mostly idiotc crew. They were going to be test subjects. Do you really think he gave a sh*t about the planets rocks? No! While I'm sure he wanted a decent biologist on board did he really need him in the end? No! They were simply fodder and test subjects. If that is the case it put an end to a lot of the bitching about some of the crews idiotic behavior. It would also explain the "try harder" conversation. Weyland and David have some knowledge. They know the black goo is the key but not exactly how to use it. They need all the idiots aboard the ship to find out. Instead of spending $$$ on the best, which his company might have use for in the future if he does gain immortality. If you ask me this explains all that away. And it's what I choose to believe. And onto "choose to believe." A lot of people say the film is sh*t if it's a stand alone film. I've never really agreed with that as I love all the ambiguity. I do want a sequel and think it would be great but I've never felt that the film absolutely has to have one. Watching the briefing scene at the moment when Fifield and Millburn question Shaw and she says "...but it's what I choose to believe" really sent an idea off in my head. If there is never a sequel I think this line resonates and mirrors the veiwers point of view. We may not know. There may not be facts to back up our theories but IT'S WHAT WE CHOOSE TO BELIEVE. Just like Shaw. I think that's a very cool aspect of the film and tbh I don't think it was an accident. Anyway...thoughts?
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[b]"aaaaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaaa Engineering Sherlock, they were all chosen because of their disposability, very interesting"!!![/b] ~Spoken Like Artie Johnson On [b]laugh In[/b] hahaha !!! [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/LT.HIGHTIMES/1a1aj.png[/img]
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Makes sense to me
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What made her sick you don't mind my asking...and lol...??
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@Sparty...Not the film lol. We got some popcorn and they have a stand with all these seasonings. Well, she wanted caramel and kettle corn. She went to sprinkle on on top and the crap like poured out all ridiculously. Plus the popcorn had nasty theatre butter on it. I told her not to eat that crap. She ate it. Add to that a disgustingly sweet, surupy coke and you've got a radioactive tummy on your hands. I did get to see half the flick again and we got out $$ back believe it or not.
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damn, no after film sex.
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Delete everything BEFORE the paragraph starting "What I believe is that Weyland...." and I will be in in total agreement with you.
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"Here's Mud In Your Eye, Pal" ..lol... {Spoken Like Holloway}
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@deftones1986...That's what I was stating. For some reason I put all that other stuff in there to show where the germ of the idea started. I don't believe the stuff above that. So we are in total agreement lol.
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By The Way I Loves This little diddy.. [quote]It would also explain the "try harder" conversation. Weyland and David have some knowledge. They know the black goo is the key but not exactly how to use it.[/quote]
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@Sparty...Who said anything about no after film sex? In fact, that pepto is working and I gotta go lol!
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damn it, lost another one. "It ain't easy being Old" `Spoken Like "Frog" {Kermit}!
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@ Engineering, I've only viewed the film twice but never seen the sequence where Shaw is crying after looking at the mural... trivial question but I'm I wrong ?
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she looked more panic stricken too me!
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I'm happy to have a really solid theory that explains all the idiocy from the crew. Like I said, if Weyland achives his goal or gets close he will need the top experts in the field at his disposal to go further. Therefore he wouldn't want the best to use as fodder and test subjects. He probably hired Fifield because, being the anti-social a$$hole he is, he pissed Weyland off on some other mission. He probably hired Millburn because he has a past of grabbing and trying to pet dangerous creatures which is EXACTLY what Weyland needed. He didn't need a bunch of cautious tight a$$es. He needed idiots that would throw caution to the wind. All makes sense to me!
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Remember that the "choose to believe" line could be more about Shaw maintaining a connection to her father more than anything...it's what he says to her as David views them together in her "dream". She is a woman of faith, with the contradiction of wanting the answers (the scientist in her, perhaps) to all the questions about the engineer's motivations for everything from creation to destruction. I thought David's reaction to her answering Fifield and Millburn with that line was one of the many moments of "self-realization" he had as this mission played out to it's end. I don't know if I can subscribe to the idea of an "earlier" David or the Weyland Corporation having that much advance knowledge of the Engineers, the black goo or anything else. There may have been other artifacts that have been stumbled on over the years (who know what the Weyland Corp may have found on Mars during all of that terraforming? More/different evidence of the Engineers?) but I think Weyland had just enough information and pieces to the puzzle to convince him there was immortality at the other end of the galaxy...
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@Sundar...I think the mural might be confused with the cave painting from the Isle of Skye. She looks at it and has tears in her eyes. After looking at the mural they all had to haul a$$ and after that they examine the head. She could have had teary eyes while looking at the mural but I really don't think so.
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@jake...The "choose to believe" line could be more about Shaw maintaining a connection to her father more than anything as opposed to what? I think the line is about maintaing a connection with her father. I think it's about her faith in Christianity. I think it's about her faith that the Engineers created us. I think it's about a lot of different things. I also think it's about what the audience chooses to believe. Obviously that's a MAJOR part within the film and from the outside looking in. And as I stated I think Weyland having prior knowledge, who knows what or how much, is something that explains a lot. And the fact that that theme was a HUGE part of Alien and that Scott has stated that he loved that about Alien makes it easy for me to believe he would continue this motif in Prometheus.
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Whoops!
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I'm just glad to see that people are starting to realize that what seemed to be bad script or dumb ideas are in the movie to prove a point! In every single other ALIEN movie "The Company" is ALLLLLLWAYS behind everything at hand. Either Weyland or some other companies invested through Weyland have tried different ways during each movie in order to become king of the human race by sacrificing pilots, androids, crew members, scientists, androids created by androids, you name it.....The point always being that somebody evil is always behind the horrors that unfold.... "The eternal recurrence of the same" Just seems that people really believe that a big name like Ridley Scott would just hand over some trash movie to Fox and say "yeah whatever, it doesn't make sense but I'll sell some tickets and I owe Lindelof a favor so I let him write and incoherent script." We all have to trust that at some point the answers will be shoved in our faces. But even then....I guarantee you that people will still doubt even the facts simply because those certain individuals would have twisted the story a different way.
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wear a glove man !

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