Prometheus: why all the disappointment?

False alarm...

[u]Tremayne[/u]: A good morning to you, my internet comrade who has a wildly divergent opinion about 'Prometheus" than I do! Listen, I like having my opinions challenged. My humble and non-confrontational advice to you is that you perhaps tweak how you're interpreting other people's opinions about the film. When you responded to my initial post in this thread you were so wildly over-the-top in responding to my post that it felt (and still does) as though you were not responding to what I wrote in said post but to the simple fact that my opinion on the film was antithetical to one which you hold about the film. I've seen plenty of posts on this site that read like nothing more than human males who are physically or mentally young boys and who love to ramble on without restraint or perspective about how their theory about the black goo proves that the Engineers are asexual albino Leprechauns with elephantitis who stole the Tardis in order to travel back in time to a version of Earth where Papa John's does not yet exist. If you want to flame those f*ckers please do so because it's alright with me. But pretty please, don't thrash me when I in a very intelligent and adult way am stating why I like this film enough to see it 4 times. I may be a dork but I’m not a clueless fanboy. Mwah! As far as “Splice” goes: the film starred Adrien Brody and Sarah Polley, not Adrien Bridge and Scar Jo. As far as guilty cinematic pleasures go, “Event Horizon” is one of mine. It’s a brooding and ham fisted piece of deep space camp and I love it! [u]Forever[/u]: I hope this doesn’t make you uncomfortable but your post about Scott shooting in Spain made me feel all hot and bothered in a platonic man love kind of way. Thanks for making my morning! [u]8 Pints[/u]: Your comment about how a film can impact us both when we are young and when we are adults speaks to exactly why I have felt so excited about and drawn to “Prometheus” both as an idea (e.g. the anticipatory aspect of the film’s arrival in the US on 06.08.12) and as a reality, one that I can repeatedly re-visit in the theaters (and online and soon on Blu-Ray). We all got hosed by Lucas when he made the 3 most recent “Star Wars” films. His incompetency and arrogance polluted not just the legacy of the original 3 films, they also threw sewage on millions of people’s childlike reverence for and relationship with the original 3 films. For me “Alien” (and “Aliens”) holds a special place in my mind, heart and life, a place that few other major studio films have tread upon. In fact, I’d say that only “The Empire Strikes Back”, “Blade Runner” and “Raiders of the Lost Ark” hold as much meaning for me as the first 2 “Alien” films. When the director’s cut of “Alien” was released theatrically a few years back I eagerly went to the theater to see the “new” version of the film. I didn’t need to see “Prometheus” 4 times to convince myself that it’s a good film: I needed to see it 4 times to find the rhythms of the script and the editing, to catch more of the references the film/script was making to both itself and to other films. Although I’m not a dope I am an artist who is an intensely visual over-thinker and I sometimes needs to re-visit data in order to fully understand its content. After 4 viewings I am still amazed at Fassbender’s performance as “David”. If Scott did in fact film another “Alien” film while filming ‘Prometheus” then I think that David’s shrewd manipulation of those around him will serve as both the bridge and the backbone for the films. [u]8 Pints[/u] & [u]Engineering[/u]: Regarding “Alien”, I honestly never cared about where the Space Jockey came from. It’s not that I’m not a curious person but that film had so much going for it that I never needed to mentally engage that aspect of the story. [u]Engineering[/u]: You wrote: “But as the trailers were released and things went along I saw how much more this could be than just a prequel. I'm glad Scott chose to go this way.” I couldn’t agree with you more. I think that there’s a danger in Scott making an exact map of the events that led to the creation of the Xenos and then portraying it on film in an obvious fashion, at least in this film. I very much enjoy the fact that in “Prometheus” there are both so many tendrils that connect the film to “Alien” and so many mysteries left unresolved or unanswered about those tendrils. If there is in fact a second new “Alien” film in the can then I think that that is the place in which Scott can reveal more about the relationship between the Xenos, the Engineers and humanity. BTW, I really like what you wrote about being willing to discard earlier manifestations of a given thought process that you have had.

@synthetic_69 - aka intelligent man. my adrien bridge (brody) was an auto correct error that i forgot to proof read, because i really like to proof read my discussion/blog, etc... i know who starred in Splice - my scarlett johansson reference had to be followed back to prometheus (not splice), as that is what prometheus is to me - a scarlett johansson that doesn't deliver! perhaps i didn't make it clear enough - perhaps i was pooping and didn't have my editor present! i just may not be that smart! i'm not really challenging opinions, i just find it hard to believe sooooo many smart people can easily over look the stupid things that happen in this movie. again, everyone (for most part - no to pick on Spartacus cause he loves everything about this film - so i'm staying out of that) knows that something isn't quite right about the film and can point to the things that they do like, but continue to defend it tooth and nail instead of just saying it is ok. no amount of rambling "on my part" is going to change the fact it is ok (it is no Madagascar 3), but it is far from EPIC! i know you didn't call it that, but multiple viewings for something ok or good?! prometheus is awesome, prometheus is awesome, prometheus is awesome!!!

i do like "wildly divergent" though! ;^}

[u]Tremayne[/u]: I write the below with a smile in my heart. Additionally, I'm not being confrontational in this post. IMHO you're as locked into your take on the film being damaged goods as those you're harping on who won't yield to the fact that you're "right" about the quality and worthiness of the film. I personally have no interest in trying to convince anyone about "Prometheus" being EPIC or a classic or flawless. I simultaneously see where and why the film has both flaws and a million things working in its favor. I can understand why a casual fan or a newbie to the franchise might feel frustrated with the film. I can also understand why a fangirl or fanboy who trends towards being an overthinker would have issues with the film. That said, I can also see why other people who come from those same demographic groups might love this film, warts and all. I love the film and until I get bored or distracted or otherwise engaged I'll continue to post about its quirky bits that have gotten under my skin. I will also continue to hope that Scott did in fact film another "Alien" film during the production of "Prometheus". I don't expect or want or need you or anyone else to share those feelings or beliefs.

Hey @Inquisthead, grow up my man!

I thought your post said [i]"@inquisishithead[/i]" for a second lol. I was about to step in and let you know you were a little out of line.

I know that what I am about to say will be shouted down. But I am still going to say it. I have always been of the belief that the Space Jockey in Alien is different from the Engineers in Prometheous. In my opinon the Engineers worship the Space Jockey and his race of people who created the Engineers themselves. I think that the Engineers were the elepantine helmuts to mimick the Space Jockeys who in reality have elephantine heads. I have also stated that to support my opinion you just have to look at the size of the original Space Jockey. He is about 4 feet bigger then the engineers. People responded to that opinion by saying that Ridley reduced the size because it would be impossible for the Engineers to look believable in the film  if they were that large. Now I will support my opinion by saying that HR. Giger was influenced by HP Lovecraft who was way out there. In his stories he described creatures like the elder ones who look like octuposes ( sound familiar ) and others like the shagoths who were huge shape shifting creatures. What I am saying is that when Shaw and David get to there destination they are going to be confronted with creatures they had not imagined. They will confronted with beings who we would never picture as our creators. Ridley has used so many religious ideas and myths in Prometheous. Then why would he not use the Hindi religion also. In the Hindi religion animal type gods are numerous. The Hindi people do worhship a god that looks like an elephant. So why would Giger not design something way out there. Something that will shock us even more.

I woul defintely not go there, but why were you thinking about that?

Would never dream of shouting anyone down. He can say what he wants - even Inquishithead or whatever. I like the guy - will even buy him his next ticket, provided I'm still on here. I think I just told someone to report me - the love man; the love! You guys have a happy 4th and don't take this shit too seriously; everything here is opinion! I'll chime in disgruntled on Thursday!

I agree with everything you wrote @BigDave.

People who didnt like Prometheus: maybe the reason is that they really were waiting to see a prequel. and it isnt. Maybe they wanted a gore movie, which is not. Maybe don´t find interest in extraterrestrial life. Or maybe didnt even like 2001 Space Odyssey. They are missing a masterpiece. but, let´s remember that when Blade Runner opened it didnt rock the world. I must say I loved it since the beginning and even with Deckard (harrison ford) voice over narration.

Or maybe it really was just plain stupid in parts which brought the film down - der yer I think it might be that! But heres hoping they smooth some of the bits out in the directors cut and sequels etc......

Or maybe Crabfarts smell like cherries lol.

Please do not lump Prometheus into the same category as Blade Runner - please! @bigdave - you really like episode 3? How does that happen? And, while I agree Episode 2 showed signs of possible improvement, it still was not a good movie and Episode 3 is a flaming pile of dung hurdling through the cosmos! I will say that Prometheus is not as bad as Episode 1, but it is a far cry from epic or a masterpiece! The thing is we kind of expect Lucas to hose stuff up; he's an arsenal - we weren't really expecting it from RS. Lucas talks like a dolt and now films the same way! RS talked a good game and spun it like I was going to shit in my mouth, because that was the pitch - right? Instead my brother A L I E N worshipers I believe he shit in ours! Dick!

Disappointment? Not from me!

Yes I reckon the sequel will either show us it was all part of a clever plot that will all come together eventually - or it really was a royal fek up of universal magnitude - it really was that dumb! :P ...

@crabfatt - probably a royal frak up! The "old man director" syndrome has gotten RS!!!