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Space Screamer
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 8:59 AMHello everyone!
I've been reading and enjoying the conversation here for a couple of months now, and I'd like to broach a subject that has been on my mind recently.
Based on what I've read here, it seems that LV426 and LV223 are relatively close to each other (in cosmic terms). If the Juggernaut ship in Alien is much older than the one in "Prometheus", why has remained undisturbed up to the point that the crew of the Nostromo stumbles across it?
"Prometheus" makes a point of explaining that a crew of Engineers were alive on LV423 and planning a visit to Earth around 2,000 years ago, supposedly much later than when the ship on LV426 crashed. The LV426 ship had an distress beacon which awoke the crew of the Nostromo from hyper-sleep. Does it not make sense that the beacon would also have been discovered by the ill-fated crew of Engineers in "Prometheus", and that they would have taken the time to investigate the fate of their fallen brother? If not, the beacon would indeed have to be a warning for other Engineers to avoid the crash site and the Xenomorph eggs.
If the Engineers are using the Xenomorphs as a weapon to annihilate entire planets, why not stop by LV426 to pick up the lot of them? The warning beacon would seem to indicate that the Engineers deem the Xenomorphs far too dangerous to deal with one-on-one, and they would rather let the cargo hold full of eggs gather dust for tens of thousands of years than to risk further contact.
I have seen some people here on the board and on several blogs asserting that the Xenomorph in the Alien quadriology is an earlier, less evolved version of the creature, and the the Engineers of "Prometheus" are working to create something further evolved. Perhaps the abandoned egg cargo on LV426 may help to support this theory?
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Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 9:17 AMI never thought about that.That is why I do not consider the Engineers a violent race. If they were violent they would have advanced weapons or some other decives they could wield by hand. Or advanced vechicles or heavy armaments to land on LV-426 to rescue there fallen brother. They probably knew about the beacon. But decided not to go because they trusted the original Space Jockey and followed his warning to stay away.

David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 9:31 AMHi Space Screamer:
The Enginners who were bound for an earth visit were the ones on LV-223.
We have no way to say that the Alien Space Jockey was also bound for Earth.
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Sky
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 9:39 AMI think warning is not from the engineers, there is likely to be another human vs engineers meetup and some human placed that beacon to warn others. or maybe engineer sent the signal to stop other engineers from coming on that planet.
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BigDave
MemberDeaconJul-04-2012 1:22 PMThe Beacon was set off to warn fellow Engineers.
I would assume that LV 426 and LV 223 are in different Star Systems in and around the zeta Reticuli system.
My theory is that the Engineers knew the Xeno was a far too dangerous Weapon to keep and store and using the same process that the Sacrificial Engineer had used to break down his DNA, they did the same thing to break down and then store Xeno DNA/Building Blocks within the Urns.
As a safer way to store their Bio Weapon.
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Space Screamer
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 3:08 PMIndeed!
That does seem to be the point at which Prometheus picks up. The notion of Xenomorph eggs with facehuggers inside is no longer a viable or safe option for the Engineers. They've moved well past it.
The ship on LV 426 is truly a derelict in every sense, right down to the cargo. The eggs are, by that point in time, antiquated. So the chain of events starting with Alien and following through to Alien Resurrection could be seen as the last rights for the Xenomorph as we knew it (although ironically this movie proceeds them all in the historical timeline). Those four movies tracked the extinction of that species.
If this is the case it gives Ridley Scott the freedom to follow a new direction for any future films. He no longer needs to address facehuggers and eggs, things he has openly said we've seen so many times before. In the preface of the Art of Prometheus book he goes as far as to say that the old Alien is no longer scary to audiences, and that is why he wanted to move in a different direction.

HyperNova
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 3:33 PMI feel that what is so relevant a topic now is everything is a virus in one form or another, computer, bilogical, technological, emotional even so the idea of parasitic invasion of ones own body has not gone away as was the token gesture winning move for Alien with regards to Kane. Here, Ridley Scott and his producers are trying to be inventive with the same theme yet sublte in its execution when delivering it to an audience so going the way instead of the familiar in some ways of female viloation of the internal structure is a fear and fobia that both women and men can relate to. Men do not want that kind of horrid invasion to happen to a woman anymore than a woman CERTYAINLY doesn't! But it is a tried and tested theme of putting the woman in peril can become sneered at by people yet we keep returning back to it as women are the life givers and added to the context of a franchise such as Alien and now Prometheus the idea of tampering with such a process to which we as humans are all familiar with in favour of some parasitic invasion of 'our women' in a growing situation that could out evolve us by sheer cross-blood contamination is another play on the whole virus in the body idea.
It neatly gets away from all us Humans and our bodies (chest areas) being incubators for parasitic invasion, having specific areas of our very own genome right down to the molecular level interferred with and changed harkens back to the forboding feeling for me that I got from The Thing (JC version) and this is far more an insideous approach to our place in the cosmos, the fact that we could be out evolved from within, out mutated just by mere Black Substance transfusions brings up all sorts of medical connotations and fears of infection by the AIDS virus and others that have ravaged people in the past. Genetic breakdown, conversion and re-writing for 'anothers' own mutual advantage has always held its sinister appeal with stories, story tellers and movie goers.

Space Screamer
MemberOvomorphJul-04-2012 3:47 PMThat's a great point. It does give you the same kind of uncomfortable feeling as movies like The Thing, or even Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The notion that anyone could have the seeds of an alien life form inside of them, and not even know that they have been impregnated is truly terrifying.
Perhaps this is one of the greatest accomplishments of this film. It has reinvented the notion of aliens impregnating humans, but also stayed loyal to the core idea that Scott brought to the screen with "Alien" in the first place.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-14-2012 7:31 AM"....The notion that anyone could have the seeds of an alien life form inside of them, and not even know that they have been impregnated is truly terrifying...."
It is good to see that others have address this part of the story..I am sorry I missed this thread..
Space Screamer..You have a thought here that is terrifying... Everybody is a part of the Alien universe,,,,just waiting for a trigger..I am sorry this thread has not contiued..
Warning Beacon...It would be hard for me to believe that humans cound uncover an Al;ien Warning system..to my mind then it must have been a Human warning system...and based on Prometheus ..the candidates are getting slim..
The 37 years difference in the story settings,,I think cannot be a random number....just about a generation for Ripley to be born..mature and find a way to dicover the SJ's crashed ship.
Perhaps ..in a future RS episode..the mating of Engineers and humans,would yield a beacon that could be recognizable to both Alien races..and that is how a Warning Beacon could be used ..and rercognized by an Weyland and company..
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
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