Maybe this theory makes sense? Just read it and think about it...

Good post and thoughts, deftones1986

"No one individual or group is in sole possession of a right to participate here. Any and all who follow the Forum Rules HAVE A RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION here at Prometheus-movie.com, no matter what that opinion may be." That qoute comes directly from our [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2594]Forum Rules and Prometheus-movie.com’s Standard of Participation and Conduct[/url] thread. As for this: "Guess what, there are people who believe the COMPLETE OPPOSITE and will continue to believe the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. So go and start a forum that says: I hated the flaws in the movie, but it was enjoyable, so if anybody would like to talk about the flawed yet enjoyable movie, then come to my thread." It's total nonsense. [b]Any individual can comment in any way, on any side of an argument in any thread so long as it is done respectfully deftones1986[/b]. It DOES NOT EVER HAVE TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU TO BE VALID FOR THE THREAD. If you don't like people disagreeing with your threads, don't post them....learn to care less what others think and be open to an argument...it's a healthier, less obstinant way to live.

@Craigamore...... All Deftones 1986 is saying is that we get it people think the script is not good. Well all you guys keep saying is that it's bad, but in this thread Deftones 1986 gave very good points against the thinking the script is dumb, and many other people have too. Yes you have the right to post that you think it's dumb, but i don't understand why you would keep saying that over and over and over when the movie has been out for 4 weeks. Of course there is a few minor things hear and there- like Vickers death and how the two people don't even go after Shaw when she hits them over the head before she operates on herself. However, like Deftones 1986 said all movies have stuff like that including Alien, Aliens, and Bladerunner.

Also Deftones 1986 worded it perfectly when he said that people have refused to get past the thinking that it's a bad script. I have not heard a single "plot hole" that has not been answered 100% or at least a good theory to explain it. That's why it's annoying when people keep saying "It's a stupid movie" or "The script is trash" Because Deftones 1986 came up for many good reasons for your examples of a bad script but you guys keep restating the same thing again and again @Engineering....... Very good points @Deftones 1986 ......... Great thread and ideas, keep up the good work

I'm just now reading Arthus C Clarke's 3001 (the fourth book in the trilogy, lol, yeah just like Hitchhikers' Guide, anyway) and it has some wonderful ideas about a THOUSAND YEAR JUMP in time and technology and how EVERYTHING seems liks magic with such a leap. Wonder when we'll get to see the SPACE STRADDLERS in these forthcoming re-revisions aka Pro2 and Pro3, those beings who've transcended both the Space Machine and the Data Machine eras? The Photonic Informationalists, the Real Creators, not just some Juggernaut drivers in elephant suits, spitting their chemicals all over the galaxy like amateur farmers? And THEY ARE FARMERS, remember; hence HARVEST. Why did Prometheus go NOWHERE NEAR the Harvest implications, only the RUIN threat? Surely, there'd be loads to harvest, here on earth; all that 'fresh meat' as the jerk in the opening scene of Avatar dubbed it.

Thanks for the backup guys. Yeah I'm not against expressing yourself at all whatsoever, but I'm not gonna flame the threads that talk about the flaws, so why should people flame the threads of people who want to make up their own ideas trying to explain the flaws. If that doesn't make sense than I guess people just want to be ignorant for the sake of being ignorant.

zman3494-- Save everything you type out BEFORE you attempt to send it. (highlight & copy text) Twice I have typed out a ton of text- hoping that someone would read it and be inspired to answer. But no! I was timed out and didn't know it before I hit send!!!

FIrst off, Deftone: When you create a thread proposing some insight like this, people will disagree with you...it is inevitable. You are showing a classic personality of someone who does not like hearing people against your belief's (which is a major flaw in humans and one of the reason why we have a lot of wars out there). It is under the assumption that you open threads like this to spur conversation on the theory and discuss from both sides of the fence. I think no one here, on either side, will argue that, at most, Prometheus is at least an enjoyable sci-fi flick. Where the real division lies is those who find the movie a masterpiece and those who don't. Personally, I don't. My thoughts are yes, it was a very poorly devised script that did not deliver on the "scare the shit out of you" promise of RS, but it also did not deliver on many of its other promises. If you have to watch and examine every single piece of viral material out there to "understand" the movie than that is more planning. Yes, even in today's age with everyone connected to the internet, some people just don't care enough to spend the time and and energy to delve into this extra material, so as filmmakers, you *need* to incorporate some of that extra material into the film, or at least its essence, for the audience who is not going to feverishly wait for the next viral info. I also argue against your point about the team not being the best. IF this was a Weyland funded project, yes I would agree. However, this being a INVESTOR funded mission, you would expect the investors would want scientists that are top in their field to ensure they get the results that they are funding. Weyland might settle for the subpar on this false mission, but his investors wouldn't. Also, yes, you can chop up Filifield and Millburn's questionable actions up to being high, or trying to seem tough infront of the other, however, what about the other issues with character motivation or decision making? These are scientists, right? When Filifield and Holloway have been killed, and are clearly showing signs of mutation, why in the hell would they not take tissue samples to find out what the hell happened to them for the rest of the crew's safety? Even on a bogus mission like this, even Vickers would want to know what happened - especially knowing what her father sought, so she could answer him that. Or even David himself, curious to know what the effects of the goo would be, would surely want to examine tissue samples for his research. Why would Holloway walk into the fire? Yes, he was in pain and suffering, however, to make a sacrifice like that? Please...that was just an attempt at our heart strings. There are many things that the med lab, especially in the future, could have had to make his suffering less then walking into fire. Hell they could have brought supplies out to him if Vickers was anti-his boarding. The C-section....where to start? First off, David never once told Shaw it was alien in nature. He simply stated "it is not normal". This could mean many things, and yet Shaw from that point was hell bent on having the thing removed from her. Yes she just had relations with Holloway, however, one can assume they got their hanky panky on before going into stasis - which would also put the fetus into stasis based off of what we know from the technology. Yes she could not get preggers, however, there are many examples where infertile women magically get with child, so how does she know it is from that one event the night previous? She can't. She can assume so, but she can't know for sure. Then she has the thing removed, and no one seems to care...at all...not even Weyland. No one raises an eyebrow, or comments or, at the very least, move to contain the specimen for transit back to whereever they would go after the mission for examination - which is quite unlike David, and even Weyland Industries as a whole. This is just scratching the surface. I am all for thought provoking films, however, when your audience has to sit back and discuss, theorize/fill in the gaps on their own to an extent that Prometheus has, it shows poor script writing/filmmaking. Yes, be enigmatic and leave SOME questions, but not the whole damn movie. This is all before we even account for the aforementioned editing, acting (personally, everyone was pretty weakly portrayed outside of David and Shaw). For all the hype of the movie, it really did fail to deliver on the level of intelligent filmmaking RS was trying to achieve. I do give credit that this is probably one of the most discussed about films after the fact I have seen, but with as many questions as there is...that is where it fails. Alien left you wondering about the SJ...Prometheus leaves you wondering about the whole movie. Prometheus was/is, simply put, a great looking, slick action sci-fi flick, but not the calibre that everyone thought/hoped for.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.- That is so true. That quote is from British historian Lord Acton    Now I would like to start off by given you a lot of credit @deftones 1986. This has been one of the most interesting and insightful threads about Prometheous on this site. Everthing that you talked about is so true. The film is really a metaphor about human nature.- now we are the gods Mr. Weyland stated. He represents the dark side of man. The egotistial and selfish side that will do anything they can to reach there goal. They will sacrifice millions to satisfy there thirst for power. Some may call them great men. Examples are Napolean, Alexander the Great, and Peter the Great. But in reality they were just men who became hungry and selfish with power. Now please do not pay attention to those that haunt this forum spitting out there negative opinions about the film. In reality they are just making those who liked the film, like it even more.   I agree there were some questionable moves done by the director. But overall it was a deep movie which in reality was a methephor about mankind.     And yes I do agree that movies in general are made for money. You would have to be very naive to think the opposite. But there does come a time when a director decides to make a film that will make you think about what in reality is life all about. What is it that makes you happy, and so on.. In the case of a science-fiction film like Prometheous it makes out think about why we are here on this planet. Or how did we come to be. Remember that film is an art form. So out of all of Mr. Ridleys films Prometheous has become his vehicle, or better yet his expression about what man is really about. Mankind can be so compassionate, but he can also be so cruel.     And for certain people that say that Shaw was not necessary for the film are blind. Shaw represents those people who do care about mankind. Those that do cherish life.  She is the opposite of Weyland. If there is no Shaw, then there is no Weyland. This thread itself is a perfect example of Weyland and Shaw. Shaw represents  those that liked the film, and found it to be deep. Which gave them questions to think about. They liked it so much that many have gone back to see it more then once. The money has not mattered to them. And Weyland represents those that continue to spit negative opinions about the film, and are bothered because they had to pay money to see it. Not knowing that they have been given a gift. But they are ignorant to the fact. But most will come aroynd to it in the future. When they finally begin to think deep about the film.    Yes this is a long post I have written. But the thread has been magnificent.  Kudos to @deftones 1986. And now I will leave you all with a quate from my favorite writer Dostoyevsky--- Power is given only to those who dare lower themselves and pick it up. Only one thing matters, one thing; to able to dare.

Stop being naive @Xenothinker. If you want to speak negative about the film, you have the dislike forum for that. Another thing wars begin by people like you who are radical undividuals who are not happy. So they do not want to see nobody happy. The quote misery loves conpany is a perfect metaphor for you and your buddies. The people who liked rhe film made up there minds and find something deep about its source matter. Your just mad because you did not understand it. Another thing, no matter how smart you are. Or how much money you have. Confronting somthing so spectaculer like an alien life form will shock you, and distort your thinking. Remember we are humans. We only understand what we can see. Not what we have never seen before.

@Xenothinker - i agree with you in that i believe it is riddled with holes, but it isn't a very good sci-fi movie. @Rubirosa - once again my friend you spew negativity about us who rail against the film. hello pot - this is the kettle. really - we're just touching on some points and i guess we should start our own "disenchanted with the Prometheus thread" at another site, so that absolutely nobody is here to challenge anyone's beliefs, love of the film, insight, etc... "it is public here, right?" if it isn't let me know otherwise.

Please do, begin your thread. Its going to be pretty lonely in there.

Hey man, I am not saying it is a terrible film. I do believe it is an enjoyable slick looking sci-fi film, but fails to deliver on what was promised due to its weak script, actor portrayals an editing. That doesnt sound radicalist. In fact, those who find Prometheus the secon coming of RS seem to be more extreme then those that don't and this thread is perfect representation as such. It seems to me that those, like me, are more open to discussing the film and it's workings more then those who, like you and deftones, enjoyed the film. It seems people like you are quick to try and shut down any form of intelligent discussion or thought/critiques of the movie, which in turn makes you people the naive ones. It's funny, all the threads dedicate to proving Prometheus as a master piece never tend to touch on some of the issues I mentioned previously...wonder why? Oh yes, because they are glaring examples of poor story telling that no one wants to mention. Let me state this again for your simpleton mind : I think Prometheus is a fun, slick action sci-fi film but it palls on its promises and I really think people are digging way to hard to find a deeper meaning in the context of the film to feel better about it.

Also this is in the Prometheus discussion thread therefore inviting people from both sides of the fence into discussing the probabilities and possibilities of any truth in the OPs theory, however I find it disturbing that any opposing views get shut down without any actual discussion.

but i truly have no desire to do so! I believe it is funny that everyone here seems to believe that Weyland (who has the world at his disposal) needs to have a team of misfits as test subjects. Literally - he could have any genius or military he wanted/needed to help secure "forever life." Doesn't it make more sense for him to hire the top experts in every field to help secure the holy grail? Yes, it does! You can keep pushing on this form (Prometheus) until it fits into your mind and hearts exactly the way you want and the way you want everyone else to view it, but it doesn't change the fact that most (not all) everyone knows there is something not quite right about all of it. An unsatisfactory taste, a disjointedness that everyone seems to adhere to, a Phantom Menace feeling! If it were just a good sci-fi movie, you'd leave it at that!

I thank you for calling me simple minded @Xenothinker. You just made my day. I dont know if you have ever heard of American poet and author Oliver Wendall Holmes. He once said--- Simple people...are very quick to see the live facts which are going on about them.

@Xenothinker - here here! A toast! you can toast its ok-ness and i'll toast its sub-par attempt to become a sci-fi masterpiece!!!

i prefer Wilde myself.

This is all in fun guys. It does make the forum more interesting I do admit. By the way @Inquisiter Tremayne I love Oscar Wilde myself. He was the one of the craftiest authors of all time.

he's a hoot and had the lifestyle to go with it! unfortunately it wasn't as glamorous as many (would be) poets and authors would believe it to be. i suck at writing; i just enjoy the reading!

He was married and had two or three children I think. He was also a homosexual who was rediculed in England for his life style. He even had a relationship with sime Duke or Sir. He was also imprisoned for sodomy for four years. When he got out he moved to France. But because of the time he spent improsned he was never the same man again. No, great poets and writers have to suffer to be great. That is why we admire them so much.

Just to make it clear....I don't hate this movie, I quite enjoyed it actually, but was VERY dissappointed in it for its flaws and there are many. I refuse to let those issues slide because I like it, especially when I fully believe it had the potential to be so much more. I honestly believe this film was lost in the cut. It was edited so poorly as to make an already untennable script that much worse.

Now - back to Prometheus ;^)

The only people here that are disagreeing with me are the ones who don't like the movie. I never once said that you guys saying the script is bad and full of plot holes are completely wrong. This is me saying you guys COULD be right and maybe we are all wrong and this movie was horribly made with no intention except to look cool. I DON'T KNOW THE FACTS. And yes this site is here to discuss the movie and argue but look. Put it this way, this site is a neighbor hood and each thread is a house. I built this thread saying what I believe and you guys came and knocked on my door, stating your opinions and I disagreed. So why would you keep coming back and knocking here when you already know that I won't accept your beliefs about the movie? And by the way, I am really enjoying reading what everybody else is replying, besides of course the negative nancys

Cheers!

"....Vickers was smart...." I guess that is the thing about the movie,Vickers may have been smart,,but nobody came to her aid,,,or saved her. Shaw,,by default..was more likable that anybody, David is sort of likeable..but is devious and has a separate agenda. than the mission So I guesss the two likable charators live another day....and that is kind of sad considering the number of roles..

One likable character (not really like by me by the way) and one android go onto Paradise - supposedly! Should it not be purgatory, considering we were just at inferno? Whichever, us "negative nancys" will probably be trolling a bit longer. It is fun to watch everyone have so much fun talking about one person's take or anothers' or getting completely shot down (not really - but my internal monologue plays it out that way - kind of like RS wanting us to intuit what is happening).

Not even RS could think of all the scenarios here...But if he has a vision of the storyline,,it must be quite amusing to him to read threads based on the lkittlest thing.. Perhaps us using brain matter on the various aspects of 'Prometheus'....is his way of raising the I.Q. of this world's citizens..

I for one am glad that the movie didn't just have a beginning, a middle, and an end clear as day, thrown in my face like a damn childrens book. To me, that is not the way you go about changing Sci-Fi after so many horrible movies have come out **ahem.......(Transformers, Battleship) Ridley Scott chose Lindelof ON PURPOSE If you read up about the movie, you will notice that there was an entire script that linked right in to the first ALIEN. But RS said you know what, screw that.....let's give them something to think about. All you people that just want to complain about the acting, from what....a f$#*ing 1 minute clip out of the whole movie? you obviously did not carefully read my posts, and everybody elses posts EXPLAINING why the characters where dumbed down. So now you can go watch Men in Black 3 because that has a beginning to remind you of the originals, a middle full of questions, and an end that answers them. There is nothing wrong with that at all whatsoever. But movies are art. And let me just be clear on one thing. There is no way that I ever said this was the greatest movie ever created. No. My favorite movie is Pulp Fiction, not Prometheus. I just fell in love with the idea that all the answers weren't right there, and the bonus was that the movie was tied in with friggin ALIEN, which has the best creature, animal, horror villian out of any movie ever, IN MY OPINION, so how cool is that? There is just something about the mystery and the unanswered questions, and the wondering why they where so stupid as to do this or that, that just drew me into the movie even more.....like an awesome piece of artwork, it can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways, which is great. But anyway back to the movie. I don't know if everybody just skipped over my one post, but I'll mention it again. I think Ridley Scott was trying to tell us the whole time....that Sir Peter Weyland is THE ANTI-CHRIST of the ALIEN universe and he had us witness what happens when the story of the Anti-Christ unfolds. I strongly suggest everybody read into the stories of the Ant-Christ because it fits so perfectly with Peter Weyland that it's unbelievalbe, and it's scary as shit. I did my own research and here are some things I found interesting. Please read everything after this sentence and tell me it doesn't tie into (Sir Peter Weyland) hint hint....and by the way these are NOT my beliefs but they make senses as far as the movie is concerned The Antichrist!--also described in the Bible as the son of "perdition" or "hell" - Like Hitler, who was one of history's antichrist archetypes, he will have great charisma & speaking ability, "a mouth speaking great things". - He will have a "fierce countenance" or stern look, and will be "more stout than his fellows"--more proud and boastful. Weylands TED video anyone? - The coming world leader commonly known as the Antichrist has at least 33 titles* ascribed to him in the Old Testament and 13 titles in the New. The coming Antichrist is called a "Prince" in Daniel 9:26-27; "the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the City and the Sanctuary," yet he is also called a "King" in Revelation 17:8; "the King who was, is not, yet will be again." This shows us that the coming Antichrist is not just metaphorically called a King, as some believe, but that he will move through the normal procession of a monarchial tradition, being first a European Prince, and then a King. ATTENTION: If you check the Weyland time line you will see that Peter Weyland becomes a "Sir"........... - Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. - The real “Beast” of the Bible is a very different person. Instead of being a frightening person, he will be greatly honored, respected, and loved by the majority of the world. He will also be accepted as the prophesied Christ to rule the world in peace and prosperity. When [his] Anti-Christian Kingdom is finally destroyed, the world will not rejoice in thanksgiving for their release from oppression and Satanic control. They will do just the opposite. People will “weep and mourn” over Babylon’s collapse (Revelation 18:11). They will “bewail” and “lament” because this kingdom of human excellence and perfection has come to an end. Trade and craft will have reached dazzling heights of prosperity under the “Beast.” Culture and the fine arts will show the apex of human accomplishment during his reign. - There is nothing terrifying in what the real “Beast” of the biblical prophecies will do. The false prophet will certainly bring fire from heaven to support the worship of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:13), but the main miracles will be accomplished to excite the public’s admiration of the “Beast.” The supernatural displays will show what a profound “benefactor” and “philanthropist” the man is to the human race. Indeed, the “Beast” will appear to have the attributes of divine excellence—a brilliance beyond human attainment. ATTENTION: I advise you to go to www.weylandindustries.com and read the timeline, and all of his accomplishments and then read the next paragraph........ - The “Beast” will perform such wonderful works for humanity (and do some things that the real Christ is prophesied to do) that Christ himself warned that even the very elect Christians would be on the verge of accepting him (Matthew 24:24) if they did not know better. No, there will be nothing terrifying about the “Beast” in his outward demeanor as Hollywood imagines. Just the opposite will occur, and Christians should be aware of it. - But let us understand one thing, the kingdom of man under the antichrist, which will exist at the end of our age, will be the finest, most wonderful, and thoroughly beautiful kingdom that man has ever devised (that is, from the point of view of mankind). It will be more glorious than any earthly kingdom of the past and it will reflect the height of man’s endeavor and achievement. It is nothing like The Omen imagines. There will be no terror associated with it at all for those who will welcome it and abide by its benevolent rules.

Deftones 1986: thanks. I just went to see the movie for a second time (2D, Matinee). THere have been peole saying this or tha tis a plot hole. (1) One of them is that there are no shifting of the bodies after the Juggernaut crashs. I looked very closely when Shaw comes back for David: to Shaw's left is the suit lights (yellow) of another memeber that has rolled to just behind David's body. Also: (2). Dumb Scientists: This is nothing more than a milk run for a lot of these guys. Milbirn introduces himself as "Biology" not Biologist.......he may be nothing more than a sample tech! There is a lot going on in this movie that is easy to miss. I think I may start a thread about my new observatiosna fter a third viewing.