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deftones1986

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I'm not trying to be a know-it-all or an a-hole, but certain people who are criticizing this movie need to just take a second, and think. The characters in this movie, had absolutely no idea what they where getting themselves into. Did we as an audience know what was gonna happen? Yes of course we did because most of us saw ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION Remember, the events of PROMETHEUS took place B E F O R E all those other movies..... There was no Ripley there to say to them "This is a bad idea, you better watch out for acid spitting, human impregnating, big black scary aliens and little scorpion face smothering creatures, oh and also watch out for any kind of android because they usually turn out to be evil and only do the dirty work for an evil corporation." By the way, what did all the characters in the other movies do when Ripley told them all this stuff? They just kept on doing what they wanted anyway until it was too late... Go ahead and re-watch those movies and you'll see the same stupid ass humans defying common sense... All the other characters where just there for paychecks, and thought that Holloway and Shaw where crazy besides Weyland, who was half asleep anyway, and he didn't give two shits about the expendable crew. He just wanted them to find what he was looking for, have David come tell him, and for all he cared they could all starve to death on Lv223..... Not to mention the crew wasn't told anything before they left about the possibility of finding the creators of humans being the reason they where going to sleep for 2 years. Weyland knew that if he just informed them to come along on a trip with guaranteed X amount of money, they would do it. If he said "Yeah we're gonna find aliens." I don't think anybody would care to go, but then again money will make you do some crazy shit won't it? So stupid characters or money hungry idiots hand-picked by Peter Weyland? You decide. He're a hint.....if you where in the future and you where told "Come on a trip and I'll pay you lots and lots of money because I own the most profitable company in existence." Would you hesitate ? If you did, and especially if you asked questions....Guess what? Mr. Weyland has decided to explore different candidates for this job, and is sorry to inform you that your expertise will no longer be needed, but thank you for your time. So please stop complaining about the characters doing this or not doing that... A - I remember Fifeild and Millburn being told to stay put until the storm passed. - They didn't listen. B - Vickers told Shaw and Holloway not to proceed any further until consulting her if they found what they came looking for. - They didn't listen. C - David was told not to open the door. - He didn't listen, because I'm about 90% sure Weyland told him to do whatever it takes, and screw the other members and what they say. D - Shaw told Holloway not to take his helmet off. - He didn't listen. E _ Fifeild told Millburn not to get all close to the Hammerpede - He didn't listen. F - The captian told everybody to just sit tight until morning when they first arrived, because night was closing in. - They didn't listen. Soooo Nobody really took charge, Vickers was too scared to even leave the ship, Weyland did not care whatsoever about the crew (he told his goons to shut Shaw up when they confronted the Engineer) nobody listened to anybody elses common sense suggestions, so guess what happened........ To sum up this movie as far as what the damn ship (PROMETHEUS) was doing there in the first place, just think about the obvious!!! - Weyland was told by Shaw that she knew where to find the creators of humans. - He believed all of this, didn't stop to think as to if the beings would even grant him immortality, or he didn't care because he was the all powerful Weyland. So he assembled a crew of people he could care less about, including David...don't believe the whole "he's the closest thing to a son I'll ever have." Yeah bullshit - David did all the experimenting, opening doors, etc....did Weyland care AT ALL that during the process that a bunch of people where infected and/ or died? NO!!! All he wanted when he found out there was an Engineer alive was for everybody to get the hell out of the way so he could get David to talk to it, and give him immortal life. Ridley Scott is trying to tell us something here and we all missed it by a mile, it's so simple..... We all need to stop and think about what we're doing, THINK before you ACT. 1 - Why did we create nuclear weapons? 2 - Why did the Engineers create the black goo bio-weapon? 1 - Because we could. 2 - Because they could. Did we ever stop and think that maybe something bad would happen if we messed around with atoms? Yes, but we humans did it anyway. Did the people who where involved with the creation of nuclear weapons listen to the people who told them it was a bad idea? No Did the Greek titan Prometheus listen when told not to give fire to humans? No The Engineers somehow wiped out their whole civilization with the black goo shit, and what is the biggest theory on how we're going to wipe out our own civilization? World War 3, which would include us nuking or being nuked and then just a domino effect, until ultimately the human race is wiped out, and something else emerges. "The eternal recurrence of the same." Play with fire and you get burned right?

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And if you think about it, if David was just a pawn, then why did we feel so much for him? Becasue that's the way Ridley wanted it, he was the oddest out of place character, so he had to be really important right? Wrong, David is the same thing as the cat in the original ALIEN. Just there to tug at our heart strings, make us wonder.... Some people would ask why does she keep going after the stupid cat? Some people (cat lovers) would say....she better go back after that poor little kitty! Some people would say awww look at David he's just a robot but something about him makes him seem like a curious little child Some people would say he's the most evil thing in the movie, he has no sense of emotion.... David is meant to make us feel for him, good or bad, but in the end, he really didn't matter........ Same as the cat in ALIEN......

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My 2 cents... First off, the mission was not a military mission. While there was security on board the mission objective told to security I'm sure was "do whatever you have to so that these scientists can do their job" type of deal. I'm sure Weyland did not want security holding up the show saying crap like "No wait we have to set up a perimeter" and the like. Second, a lot of the audience seems to question the crews "stupid" actions because they think Weyland would have hired the best of the best. IMO, Weyland knew more than he led on. This explains why he would fund this mission. He didn't fund the mission due to the pictograms and Shaw's faith. The same theme that began with Alien and ran all the way through out the series is here in Prometheus as well. The theme of "The Company" knowing more than they are telling and simply want what they want and will sacrifice whatever and whoever to get what they want. That said, Weyland would not hire "the best of the best" for this mission. He would need test subjects and fodder for what could be angry aliens. He would need bait and such. Also, if Weyland was to find what he was looking for he would have use for the "best of the best" to do research and whatnot. He would not sacrifice the best in the world when he may have future use for them. So who do you hire? A geologist who is probably very good at what he does but is anti-social and has a drug problem. He's a dick so nobody will care when he dies. A biologist who doesn't believe in the mission therefore will go out of his way and risk himself to maybe make a great discovery in regards to alien life. Don't really need to go into the rest of the crew. You could say that what Janek and his co-piolots did was stupid but there are concrete reasons for their sacrifice. This film is all about sacrificing yourself so others can live-like the Sacrificial Engineer and Janek and co-instead of sacrificing others so that you can live like Weyland.

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Yes, @ Engineering Exactly!!! I have no arguments with anybodies post so far, except for the people who refuse to get past the part about the movie having a bad script. For goodness sake, stop trolling these forums if you guys don't like the movie. I said it before, I hate Star-Trek but I would never in a million years go on their forums, and bash what they believe, because this is just a movie, and that is just a show/movie that takes us out of our reality and is interesting to US. Just like all these haters probably get caught up in video game, or fantasy football, or comic books, or facebook, etc...... If you think the movie had a bad script, then okay goodbye to you. You have nothing left to contribute. And by the way, instead of bashing the movie, open your Microsoft Word, or Macbook Pro, and start typing your own script.....

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July 05, 2012

I'll take the RS and Lindelof were high idea for $500 Alex! But it J's probably not as cool as that. Less of a budget for the film would probably forced his creativity (or the pot for that matter) instead of driving this off planet Friday the 13th (well for the last 1/3 of it at least). Too much money dill's your senses. I think you credit too many directors with having high brow meaning in their films. RS is usually good but fell short do to too many gadgets not enough time to play! Too many fans willing to follow multiple times into his nightmsrish- I'm going to scare the shit out of you - promise that he didn't deliver on! Sorry maybe you caught more in the meaning than I did; after allow I've only viewed it once!

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There is nothing to argue about here. You did not like the movie. So why will viewing more and more posts ever change that? The movie is not going to change, maybe the Blu Ray will offer some new light? I don't know, but I'm not gonna stick on the train that keeps circling the "horrible script" track. No I got off at the "Let's pretend that Weyland purposely chose these people station." And now I'm going to hang out with the people who got of there with me also.

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Inquisitor Tremayne, in many regards I agree with you, there were some flaws in the overall of the movie, and it did leave me with questions after my first viewing... but like some movies, they need a period of reflection... and possibly a rescreening to solidify the finer points. I know this was true of Alien 3, and it still leaves me cold (not a fitting end for our dear Ripley). The characters for the most part were foolish but I have witnessed first hand some of the same behavior in emergency situations (no monsters... just fires near explosive vats of solvent, fights...etc.). I will buy the Blu-Ray (#D included) of this movie and will watch it once a year if not more. It is rewatchable (I play my movies in my studio while doing art work... I like the noise and the company it gives me).

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[quote]Too many fans willing to follow multiple times into his nightmsrish- I'm going to scare the shit out of you - promise that he didn't deliver on! Sorry maybe you caught more in the meaning than I did; after allow I've only viewed it once![/quote] Would this have scared you if Ridley just ended the movie with a black screen and then the text appears: Peter Weyland is the ANTI-CHRIST Because that's what I think he's trying to say. Read up on it. And if the concept of that doesn't scare you than I don't know what would.

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July 06, 2012

The NIV makes it clearer that a time of rebellion will come prior to Christ's return and then the "man of lawlessness, the man doomed to destruction" will be revealed. The antichrist eventually will exalt himself above God to be worshiped in the Lord's Temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Verses 9 and 10 say that the antichrist will do counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, to gain a following and deceive many. That's just part of it. But hmmmm maybe it might make you think of one tiny character from the TED viral videos and the movie itself?

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July 06, 2012

"There is nothing to argue about here."? deftones1986...that's the etire point of this site...to argue and converse....While I liked the movie, it is a VERY flawed him and I tend to agree with Inquisitor Tremayne. The script IS holier than swiss cheese, but it's still an enjoyable film in spite of that.

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My point is: If all you're going to add is "Ridley Scott is dumb, the movie was flawed" Guess what, there are people who believe the COMPLETE OPPOSITE and will continue to believe the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. So go and start a forum that says: I hated the flaws in the movie, but it was enjoyable, so if anybody would like to talk about the flawed yet enjoyable movie, then come to my thread.

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July 06, 2012

Good post and thoughts, deftones1986

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"No one individual or group is in sole possession of a right to participate here. Any and all who follow the Forum Rules HAVE A RIGHT TO PARTICIPATE IN FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION here at Prometheus-movie.com, no matter what that opinion may be." That qoute comes directly from our [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/2594]Forum Rules and Prometheus-movie.com’s Standard of Participation and Conduct[/url] thread. As for this: "Guess what, there are people who believe the COMPLETE OPPOSITE and will continue to believe the COMPLETE OPPOSITE. So go and start a forum that says: I hated the flaws in the movie, but it was enjoyable, so if anybody would like to talk about the flawed yet enjoyable movie, then come to my thread." It's total nonsense. [b]Any individual can comment in any way, on any side of an argument in any thread so long as it is done respectfully deftones1986[/b]. It DOES NOT EVER HAVE TO BE IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU TO BE VALID FOR THE THREAD. If you don't like people disagreeing with your threads, don't post them....learn to care less what others think and be open to an argument...it's a healthier, less obstinant way to live.

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@Craigamore...... All Deftones 1986 is saying is that we get it people think the script is not good. Well all you guys keep saying is that it's bad, but in this thread Deftones 1986 gave very good points against the thinking the script is dumb, and many other people have too. Yes you have the right to post that you think it's dumb, but i don't understand why you would keep saying that over and over and over when the movie has been out for 4 weeks. Of course there is a few minor things hear and there- like Vickers death and how the two people don't even go after Shaw when she hits them over the head before she operates on herself. However, like Deftones 1986 said all movies have stuff like that including Alien, Aliens, and Bladerunner.

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Also Deftones 1986 worded it perfectly when he said that people have refused to get past the thinking that it's a bad script. I have not heard a single "plot hole" that has not been answered 100% or at least a good theory to explain it. That's why it's annoying when people keep saying "It's a stupid movie" or "The script is trash" Because Deftones 1986 came up for many good reasons for your examples of a bad script but you guys keep restating the same thing again and again @Engineering....... Very good points @Deftones 1986 ......... Great thread and ideas, keep up the good work

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I'm just now reading Arthus C Clarke's 3001 (the fourth book in the trilogy, lol, yeah just like Hitchhikers' Guide, anyway) and it has some wonderful ideas about a THOUSAND YEAR JUMP in time and technology and how EVERYTHING seems liks magic with such a leap. Wonder when we'll get to see the SPACE STRADDLERS in these forthcoming re-revisions aka Pro2 and Pro3, those beings who've transcended both the Space Machine and the Data Machine eras? The Photonic Informationalists, the Real Creators, not just some Juggernaut drivers in elephant suits, spitting their chemicals all over the galaxy like amateur farmers? And THEY ARE FARMERS, remember; hence HARVEST. Why did Prometheus go NOWHERE NEAR the Harvest implications, only the RUIN threat? Surely, there'd be loads to harvest, here on earth; all that 'fresh meat' as the jerk in the opening scene of Avatar dubbed it.

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Thanks for the backup guys. Yeah I'm not against expressing yourself at all whatsoever, but I'm not gonna flame the threads that talk about the flaws, so why should people flame the threads of people who want to make up their own ideas trying to explain the flaws. If that doesn't make sense than I guess people just want to be ignorant for the sake of being ignorant.

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zman3494-- Save everything you type out BEFORE you attempt to send it. (highlight & copy text) Twice I have typed out a ton of text- hoping that someone would read it and be inspired to answer. But no! I was timed out and didn't know it before I hit send!!!

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FIrst off, Deftone: When you create a thread proposing some insight like this, people will disagree with you...it is inevitable. You are showing a classic personality of someone who does not like hearing people against your belief's (which is a major flaw in humans and one of the reason why we have a lot of wars out there). It is under the assumption that you open threads like this to spur conversation on the theory and discuss from both sides of the fence. I think no one here, on either side, will argue that, at most, Prometheus is at least an enjoyable sci-fi flick. Where the real division lies is those who find the movie a masterpiece and those who don't. Personally, I don't. My thoughts are yes, it was a very poorly devised script that did not deliver on the "scare the shit out of you" promise of RS, but it also did not deliver on many of its other promises. If you have to watch and examine every single piece of viral material out there to "understand" the movie than that is more planning. Yes, even in today's age with everyone connected to the internet, some people just don't care enough to spend the time and and energy to delve into this extra material, so as filmmakers, you *need* to incorporate some of that extra material into the film, or at least its essence, for the audience who is not going to feverishly wait for the next viral info. I also argue against your point about the team not being the best. IF this was a Weyland funded project, yes I would agree. However, this being a INVESTOR funded mission, you would expect the investors would want scientists that are top in their field to ensure they get the results that they are funding. Weyland might settle for the subpar on this false mission, but his investors wouldn't. Also, yes, you can chop up Filifield and Millburn's questionable actions up to being high, or trying to seem tough infront of the other, however, what about the other issues with character motivation or decision making? These are scientists, right? When Filifield and Holloway have been killed, and are clearly showing signs of mutation, why in the hell would they not take tissue samples to find out what the hell happened to them for the rest of the crew's safety? Even on a bogus mission like this, even Vickers would want to know what happened - especially knowing what her father sought, so she could answer him that. Or even David himself, curious to know what the effects of the goo would be, would surely want to examine tissue samples for his research. Why would Holloway walk into the fire? Yes, he was in pain and suffering, however, to make a sacrifice like that? Please...that was just an attempt at our heart strings. There are many things that the med lab, especially in the future, could have had to make his suffering less then walking into fire. Hell they could have brought supplies out to him if Vickers was anti-his boarding. The C-section....where to start? First off, David never once told Shaw it was alien in nature. He simply stated "it is not normal". This could mean many things, and yet Shaw from that point was hell bent on having the thing removed from her. Yes she just had relations with Holloway, however, one can assume they got their hanky panky on before going into stasis - which would also put the fetus into stasis based off of what we know from the technology. Yes she could not get preggers, however, there are many examples where infertile women magically get with child, so how does she know it is from that one event the night previous? She can't. She can assume so, but she can't know for sure. Then she has the thing removed, and no one seems to care...at all...not even Weyland. No one raises an eyebrow, or comments or, at the very least, move to contain the specimen for transit back to whereever they would go after the mission for examination - which is quite unlike David, and even Weyland Industries as a whole. This is just scratching the surface. I am all for thought provoking films, however, when your audience has to sit back and discuss, theorize/fill in the gaps on their own to an extent that Prometheus has, it shows poor script writing/filmmaking. Yes, be enigmatic and leave SOME questions, but not the whole damn movie. This is all before we even account for the aforementioned editing, acting (personally, everyone was pretty weakly portrayed outside of David and Shaw). For all the hype of the movie, it really did fail to deliver on the level of intelligent filmmaking RS was trying to achieve. I do give credit that this is probably one of the most discussed about films after the fact I have seen, but with as many questions as there is...that is where it fails. Alien left you wondering about the SJ...Prometheus leaves you wondering about the whole movie. Prometheus was/is, simply put, a great looking, slick action sci-fi flick, but not the calibre that everyone thought/hoped for.

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Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.- That is so true. That quote is from British historian Lord Acton Now I would like to start off by given you a lot of credit @deftones 1986. This has been one of the most interesting and insightful threads about Prometheous on this site. Everthing that you talked about is so true. The film is really a metaphor about human nature.- now we are the gods Mr. Weyland stated. He represents the dark side of man. The egotistial and selfish side that will do anything they can to reach there goal. They will sacrifice millions to satisfy there thirst for power. Some may call them great men. Examples are Napolean, Alexander the Great, and Peter the Great. But in reality they were just men who became hungry and selfish with power. Now please do not pay attention to those that haunt this forum spitting out there negative opinions about the film. In reality they are just making those who liked the film, like it even more. I agree there were some questionable moves done by the director. But overall it was a deep movie which in reality was a methephor about mankind. And yes I do agree that movies in general are made for money. You would have to be very naive to think the opposite. But there does come a time when a director decides to make a film that will make you think about what in reality is life all about. What is it that makes you happy, and so on.. In the case of a science-fiction film like Prometheous it makes out think about why we are here on this planet. Or how did we come to be. Remember that film is an art form. So out of all of Mr. Ridleys films Prometheous has become his vehicle, or better yet his expression about what man is really about. Mankind can be so compassionate, but he can also be so cruel. And for certain people that say that Shaw was not necessary for the film are blind. Shaw represents those people who do care about mankind. Those that do cherish life. She is the opposite of Weyland. If there is no Shaw, then there is no Weyland. This thread itself is a perfect example of Weyland and Shaw. Shaw represents those that liked the film, and found it to be deep. Which gave them questions to think about. They liked it so much that many have gone back to see it more then once. The money has not mattered to them. And Weyland represents those that continue to spit negative opinions about the film, and are bothered because they had to pay money to see it. Not knowing that they have been given a gift. But they are ignorant to the fact. But most will come aroynd to it in the future. When they finally begin to think deep about the film. Yes this is a long post I have written. But the thread has been magnificent. Kudos to @deftones 1986. And now I will leave you all with a quate from my favorite writer Dostoyevsky--- Power is given only to those who dare lower themselves and pick it up. Only one thing matters, one thing; to able to dare.

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July 06, 2012

Stop being naive @Xenothinker. If you want to speak negative about the film, you have the dislike forum for that. Another thing wars begin by people like you who are radical undividuals who are not happy. So they do not want to see nobody happy. The quote misery loves conpany is a perfect metaphor for you and your buddies. The people who liked rhe film made up there minds and find something deep about its source matter. Your just mad because you did not understand it. Another thing, no matter how smart you are. Or how much money you have. Confronting somthing so spectaculer like an alien life form will shock you, and distort your thinking. Remember we are humans. We only understand what we can see. Not what we have never seen before.

Maybe this theory makes sense? Just read it and think about it...

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