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deftones1986

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I'm not trying to be a know-it-all or an a-hole, but certain people who are criticizing this movie need to just take a second, and think. The characters in this movie, had absolutely no idea what they where getting themselves into. Did we as an audience know what was gonna happen? Yes of course we did because most of us saw ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION Remember, the events of PROMETHEUS took place B E F O R E all those other movies..... There was no Ripley there to say to them "This is a bad idea, you better watch out for acid spitting, human impregnating, big black scary aliens and little scorpion face smothering creatures, oh and also watch out for any kind of android because they usually turn out to be evil and only do the dirty work for an evil corporation." By the way, what did all the characters in the other movies do when Ripley told them all this stuff? They just kept on doing what they wanted anyway until it was too late... Go ahead and re-watch those movies and you'll see the same stupid ass humans defying common sense... All the other characters where just there for paychecks, and thought that Holloway and Shaw where crazy besides Weyland, who was half asleep anyway, and he didn't give two shits about the expendable crew. He just wanted them to find what he was looking for, have David come tell him, and for all he cared they could all starve to death on Lv223..... Not to mention the crew wasn't told anything before they left about the possibility of finding the creators of humans being the reason they where going to sleep for 2 years. Weyland knew that if he just informed them to come along on a trip with guaranteed X amount of money, they would do it. If he said "Yeah we're gonna find aliens." I don't think anybody would care to go, but then again money will make you do some crazy shit won't it? So stupid characters or money hungry idiots hand-picked by Peter Weyland? You decide. He're a hint.....if you where in the future and you where told "Come on a trip and I'll pay you lots and lots of money because I own the most profitable company in existence." Would you hesitate ? If you did, and especially if you asked questions....Guess what? Mr. Weyland has decided to explore different candidates for this job, and is sorry to inform you that your expertise will no longer be needed, but thank you for your time. So please stop complaining about the characters doing this or not doing that... A - I remember Fifeild and Millburn being told to stay put until the storm passed. - They didn't listen. B - Vickers told Shaw and Holloway not to proceed any further until consulting her if they found what they came looking for. - They didn't listen. C - David was told not to open the door. - He didn't listen, because I'm about 90% sure Weyland told him to do whatever it takes, and screw the other members and what they say. D - Shaw told Holloway not to take his helmet off. - He didn't listen. E _ Fifeild told Millburn not to get all close to the Hammerpede - He didn't listen. F - The captian told everybody to just sit tight until morning when they first arrived, because night was closing in. - They didn't listen. Soooo Nobody really took charge, Vickers was too scared to even leave the ship, Weyland did not care whatsoever about the crew (he told his goons to shut Shaw up when they confronted the Engineer) nobody listened to anybody elses common sense suggestions, so guess what happened........ To sum up this movie as far as what the damn ship (PROMETHEUS) was doing there in the first place, just think about the obvious!!! - Weyland was told by Shaw that she knew where to find the creators of humans. - He believed all of this, didn't stop to think as to if the beings would even grant him immortality, or he didn't care because he was the all powerful Weyland. So he assembled a crew of people he could care less about, including David...don't believe the whole "he's the closest thing to a son I'll ever have." Yeah bullshit - David did all the experimenting, opening doors, etc....did Weyland care AT ALL that during the process that a bunch of people where infected and/ or died? NO!!! All he wanted when he found out there was an Engineer alive was for everybody to get the hell out of the way so he could get David to talk to it, and give him immortal life. Ridley Scott is trying to tell us something here and we all missed it by a mile, it's so simple..... We all need to stop and think about what we're doing, THINK before you ACT. 1 - Why did we create nuclear weapons? 2 - Why did the Engineers create the black goo bio-weapon? 1 - Because we could. 2 - Because they could. Did we ever stop and think that maybe something bad would happen if we messed around with atoms? Yes, but we humans did it anyway. Did the people who where involved with the creation of nuclear weapons listen to the people who told them it was a bad idea? No Did the Greek titan Prometheus listen when told not to give fire to humans? No The Engineers somehow wiped out their whole civilization with the black goo shit, and what is the biggest theory on how we're going to wipe out our own civilization? World War 3, which would include us nuking or being nuked and then just a domino effect, until ultimately the human race is wiped out, and something else emerges. "The eternal recurrence of the same." Play with fire and you get burned right?
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@Xenothinker - i agree with you in that i believe it is riddled with holes, but it isn't a very good sci-fi movie. @Rubirosa - once again my friend you spew negativity about us who rail against the film. hello pot - this is the kettle. really - we're just touching on some points and i guess we should start our own "disenchanted with the Prometheus thread" at another site, so that absolutely nobody is here to challenge anyone's beliefs, love of the film, insight, etc... "it is public here, right?" if it isn't let me know otherwise.
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Please do, begin your thread. Its going to be pretty lonely in there.
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Hey man, I am not saying it is a terrible film. I do believe it is an enjoyable slick looking sci-fi film, but fails to deliver on what was promised due to its weak script, actor portrayals an editing. That doesnt sound radicalist. In fact, those who find Prometheus the secon coming of RS seem to be more extreme then those that don't and this thread is perfect representation as such. It seems to me that those, like me, are more open to discussing the film and it's workings more then those who, like you and deftones, enjoyed the film. It seems people like you are quick to try and shut down any form of intelligent discussion or thought/critiques of the movie, which in turn makes you people the naive ones. It's funny, all the threads dedicate to proving Prometheus as a master piece never tend to touch on some of the issues I mentioned previously...wonder why? Oh yes, because they are glaring examples of poor story telling that no one wants to mention. Let me state this again for your simpleton mind : I think Prometheus is a fun, slick action sci-fi film but it palls on its promises and I really think people are digging way to hard to find a deeper meaning in the context of the film to feel better about it.
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Also this is in the Prometheus discussion thread therefore inviting people from both sides of the fence into discussing the probabilities and possibilities of any truth in the OPs theory, however I find it disturbing that any opposing views get shut down without any actual discussion.
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but i truly have no desire to do so! I believe it is funny that everyone here seems to believe that Weyland (who has the world at his disposal) needs to have a team of misfits as test subjects. Literally - he could have any genius or military he wanted/needed to help secure "forever life." Doesn't it make more sense for him to hire the top experts in every field to help secure the holy grail? Yes, it does! You can keep pushing on this form (Prometheus) until it fits into your mind and hearts exactly the way you want and the way you want everyone else to view it, but it doesn't change the fact that most (not all) everyone knows there is something not quite right about all of it. An unsatisfactory taste, a disjointedness that everyone seems to adhere to, a Phantom Menace feeling! If it were just a good sci-fi movie, you'd leave it at that!
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I thank you for calling me simple minded @Xenothinker. You just made my day. I dont know if you have ever heard of American poet and author Oliver Wendall Holmes. He once said--- Simple people...are very quick to see the live facts which are going on about them.
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@Xenothinker - here here! A toast! you can toast its ok-ness and i'll toast its sub-par attempt to become a sci-fi masterpiece!!!
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i prefer Wilde myself.
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Rubirosa
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This is all in fun guys. It does make the forum more interesting I do admit. By the way @Inquisiter Tremayne I love Oscar Wilde myself. He was the one of the craftiest authors of all time.
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he's a hoot and had the lifestyle to go with it! unfortunately it wasn't as glamorous as many (would be) poets and authors would believe it to be. i suck at writing; i just enjoy the reading!
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He was married and had two or three children I think. He was also a homosexual who was rediculed in England for his life style. He even had a relationship with sime Duke or Sir. He was also imprisoned for sodomy for four years. When he got out he moved to France. But because of the time he spent improsned he was never the same man again. No, great poets and writers have to suffer to be great. That is why we admire them so much.
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Just to make it clear....I don't hate this movie, I quite enjoyed it actually, but was VERY dissappointed in it for its flaws and there are many. I refuse to let those issues slide because I like it, especially when I fully believe it had the potential to be so much more. I honestly believe this film was lost in the cut. It was edited so poorly as to make an already untennable script that much worse.
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Now - back to Prometheus ;^)
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The only people here that are disagreeing with me are the ones who don't like the movie. I never once said that you guys saying the script is bad and full of plot holes are completely wrong. This is me saying you guys COULD be right and maybe we are all wrong and this movie was horribly made with no intention except to look cool. I DON'T KNOW THE FACTS. And yes this site is here to discuss the movie and argue but look. Put it this way, this site is a neighbor hood and each thread is a house. I built this thread saying what I believe and you guys came and knocked on my door, stating your opinions and I disagreed. So why would you keep coming back and knocking here when you already know that I won't accept your beliefs about the movie? And by the way, I am really enjoying reading what everybody else is replying, besides of course the negative nancys
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Cheers!
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"....Vickers was smart...." I guess that is the thing about the movie,Vickers may have been smart,,but nobody came to her aid,,,or saved her. Shaw,,by default..was more likable that anybody, David is sort of likeable..but is devious and has a separate agenda. than the mission So I guesss the two likable charators live another day....and that is kind of sad considering the number of roles..
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One likable character (not really like by me by the way) and one android go onto Paradise - supposedly! Should it not be purgatory, considering we were just at inferno? Whichever, us "negative nancys" will probably be trolling a bit longer. It is fun to watch everyone have so much fun talking about one person's take or anothers' or getting completely shot down (not really - but my internal monologue plays it out that way - kind of like RS wanting us to intuit what is happening).
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Not even RS could think of all the scenarios here...But if he has a vision of the storyline,,it must be quite amusing to him to read threads based on the lkittlest thing.. Perhaps us using brain matter on the various aspects of 'Prometheus'....is his way of raising the I.Q. of this world's citizens..
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I for one am glad that the movie didn't just have a beginning, a middle, and an end clear as day, thrown in my face like a damn childrens book. To me, that is not the way you go about changing Sci-Fi after so many horrible movies have come out **ahem.......(Transformers, Battleship) Ridley Scott chose Lindelof ON PURPOSE If you read up about the movie, you will notice that there was an entire script that linked right in to the first ALIEN. But RS said you know what, screw that.....let's give them something to think about. All you people that just want to complain about the acting, from what....a f$#*ing 1 minute clip out of the whole movie? you obviously did not carefully read my posts, and everybody elses posts EXPLAINING why the characters where dumbed down. So now you can go watch Men in Black 3 because that has a beginning to remind you of the originals, a middle full of questions, and an end that answers them. There is nothing wrong with that at all whatsoever. But movies are art. And let me just be clear on one thing. There is no way that I ever said this was the greatest movie ever created. No. My favorite movie is Pulp Fiction, not Prometheus. I just fell in love with the idea that all the answers weren't right there, and the bonus was that the movie was tied in with friggin ALIEN, which has the best creature, animal, horror villian out of any movie ever, IN MY OPINION, so how cool is that? There is just something about the mystery and the unanswered questions, and the wondering why they where so stupid as to do this or that, that just drew me into the movie even more.....like an awesome piece of artwork, it can be interpreted in an infinite amount of ways, which is great. But anyway back to the movie. I don't know if everybody just skipped over my one post, but I'll mention it again. I think Ridley Scott was trying to tell us the whole time....that Sir Peter Weyland is THE ANTI-CHRIST of the ALIEN universe and he had us witness what happens when the story of the Anti-Christ unfolds. I strongly suggest everybody read into the stories of the Ant-Christ because it fits so perfectly with Peter Weyland that it's unbelievalbe, and it's scary as shit. I did my own research and here are some things I found interesting. Please read everything after this sentence and tell me it doesn't tie into (Sir Peter Weyland) hint hint....and by the way these are NOT my beliefs but they make senses as far as the movie is concerned The Antichrist!--also described in the Bible as the son of "perdition" or "hell" - Like Hitler, who was one of history's antichrist archetypes, he will have great charisma & speaking ability, "a mouth speaking great things". - He will have a "fierce countenance" or stern look, and will be "more stout than his fellows"--more proud and boastful. Weylands TED video anyone? - The coming world leader commonly known as the Antichrist has at least 33 titles* ascribed to him in the Old Testament and 13 titles in the New. The coming Antichrist is called a "Prince" in Daniel 9:26-27; "the people of the Prince that shall come shall destroy the City and the Sanctuary," yet he is also called a "King" in Revelation 17:8; "the King who was, is not, yet will be again." This shows us that the coming Antichrist is not just metaphorically called a King, as some believe, but that he will move through the normal procession of a monarchial tradition, being first a European Prince, and then a King. ATTENTION: If you check the Weyland time line you will see that Peter Weyland becomes a "Sir"........... - Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. - The real “Beast” of the Bible is a very different person. Instead of being a frightening person, he will be greatly honored, respected, and loved by the majority of the world. He will also be accepted as the prophesied Christ to rule the world in peace and prosperity. When [his] Anti-Christian Kingdom is finally destroyed, the world will not rejoice in thanksgiving for their release from oppression and Satanic control. They will do just the opposite. People will “weep and mourn” over Babylon’s collapse (Revelation 18:11). They will “bewail” and “lament” because this kingdom of human excellence and perfection has come to an end. Trade and craft will have reached dazzling heights of prosperity under the “Beast.” Culture and the fine arts will show the apex of human accomplishment during his reign. - There is nothing terrifying in what the real “Beast” of the biblical prophecies will do. The false prophet will certainly bring fire from heaven to support the worship of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:13), but the main miracles will be accomplished to excite the public’s admiration of the “Beast.” The supernatural displays will show what a profound “benefactor” and “philanthropist” the man is to the human race. Indeed, the “Beast” will appear to have the attributes of divine excellence—a brilliance beyond human attainment. ATTENTION: I advise you to go to www.weylandindustries.com and read the timeline, and all of his accomplishments and then read the next paragraph........ - The “Beast” will perform such wonderful works for humanity (and do some things that the real Christ is prophesied to do) that Christ himself warned that even the very elect Christians would be on the verge of accepting him (Matthew 24:24) if they did not know better. No, there will be nothing terrifying about the “Beast” in his outward demeanor as Hollywood imagines. Just the opposite will occur, and Christians should be aware of it. - But let us understand one thing, the kingdom of man under the antichrist, which will exist at the end of our age, will be the finest, most wonderful, and thoroughly beautiful kingdom that man has ever devised (that is, from the point of view of mankind). It will be more glorious than any earthly kingdom of the past and it will reflect the height of man’s endeavor and achievement. It is nothing like The Omen imagines. There will be no terror associated with it at all for those who will welcome it and abide by its benevolent rules.
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Deftones 1986: thanks. I just went to see the movie for a second time (2D, Matinee). THere have been peole saying this or tha tis a plot hole. (1) One of them is that there are no shifting of the bodies after the Juggernaut crashs. I looked very closely when Shaw comes back for David: to Shaw's left is the suit lights (yellow) of another memeber that has rolled to just behind David's body. Also: (2). Dumb Scientists: This is nothing more than a milk run for a lot of these guys. Milbirn introduces himself as "Biology" not Biologist.......he may be nothing more than a sample tech! There is a lot going on in this movie that is easy to miss. I think I may start a thread about my new observatiosna fter a third viewing.

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