True AI and our place in the Cosmos

.

MemberOvomorphJuly 12, 20122712 Views38 Replies

Our approach to achieving a true AI has always relied on constrictive programming languages. By that I mean that the language cannot account for the "Wow" factor that enables even the simplest insects to flourish as a life form. I am not saying the we cannot achieve AI without the biological factor, but if you step back and consider how life develops then one would want to mimic that very design philosophy. Man-made engineering is very unrelative to the natural world in that it does not fully utilize the processes that nature facilitates so effortlessly in it's construction of life (and life forms). True AI is True Self-awareness which is consciousness thus it would not matter what vessel that consciousness resides in... you have achieved sentient status. The cosmos does not care that you achieved this, in the grand scheme of things, the universe deals with macro physics on a second by second basis, life is an oddity produced by stable planets in agreeable sun centric systems, and thus we are free to move among the stars in any form we choose. Thoughts and comments? Thanks for reading this jibber jabber...

sukkal
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 13, 2012

@tankgirl [i]et al[/i]: For anyone who has already been robbed of his or her "reading function" by technology, I'd also suggest [url=http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,784887564001_2048332,00.html]THIS[/url] (‹‹‹ Don't miss kittens on Roomba at end!) and [url=http://dvd.netflix.com/Movie/Transcendent_Man/70117003?trkid=2361637&fcld=true]THIS[/url]. Kurzweil is one of those brilliant technologists who's also a bit crazy...

Sky
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

Event based emotional reaction is something AI is yet to catch up. I mean "failing in exams", "relationship breakup" and "losing people around you" and many such emotional requires build up of connections over a period of time and knowing the value of it. AI being purely task centric, Is ignoring that part of the human side. That and common platform that connects multiple robots. For example, when you see robot from Terminator 3 taking over other machines and using them against humans. That thing actually learned the platform of the respective device. It is like one machine much higher in intelligence actually manages to communicate using some form of API and then taking it over. You can't take over microwave by simply sending some siganl or putting some wire into it and trying to get it work for you. It needs some specific API on microcontroller level in that case. If these devices made by common robotic manufacturer and share API between, then that could be possible. So like this David8, Irobot bot and many other sci-fi are hard to build in next 20 years or so. Reality and sci-fi AI is centuries apart.

Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.

PUNX
Art Director
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

I agree, life is beautiful, deadly, fulfilling and the very esense of what I feel to be pure chance. If we kid ourselves, maybe anthromophisize a little, we sometimes assume we know the intent of some of the life around us. To be truthful that assumtion is backwards (like young children, we only think about our own perception) Otherlife (we move further and further from source ourselves) responds in any positive way because of reinforement. The base nature of life is fuel to multiply (as is are own, we are only the 5th great ape). Much language with the life about us depends on signals or mannerisms (verbal language is only recognised due tpo the foundation of reward, whatever it is). As we see all life about us (ourselves inc) we must recognise relianse on an Eco-system. I see a form of Eco-system for IA and to be honest it would be very easy to do better than we have........... .......blah,blah,blah,gabba gabba hey! Patch try reading William Gibson's books ...Neuromancer, Count Zero and Mona Lisa overdrive!

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/sariefaerie/random083-1.jpg

PUNX
Art Director
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

I must add how many eons has the life form that is consideringh AI had to develope... all I can say is AI might be fast, but that would be quicker than lightening!

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/sariefaerie/random083-1.jpg

.
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

AI is a man-made inference of the necessity towards useful tools. Thanks Sky and Punx, always enjoy your commentaries and points of view. What will push an AI to be fully sentient? Will it be the emotional component, or maybe the simple replication of nature's already marvelous thinking machine the brain? Either way, we are taking baby steps and soon, maybe 50 - 100 years from now we will have spawned not only an AI that has transcended the plane of machine, but also allowed us as a species to transfer our very consciousness to other vessels more able to handle the rigors of deep space... ... now that possibly will be the final frontier...

PUNX
Art Director
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

I think the question is... Once AI is an real factor... will science fiction get more crap? Will AI have any interest in fiction or is it the need to project yourslef into somewhere/one that is only Ours. Would creating AI mean finally we meet something as close to an Aliens as we ever get?

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/sariefaerie/random083-1.jpg

.
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

Punx have you ever seen or heard about Ghost in the Shell? It started out as a Japanese Manga but soon Anime movies and TV series were created. It deals with the vary topic you have put forth... What will future Sci Fi contain in most as a literary vehicle and futurist vision. What will the future be like with AI as a partner in everyday life?

.
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

Not related but still funny if you think about it... "I will have a walk-in role in the next movie. I will play the part of the wayward cat that is in fact an Android that has become self-aware that it's litter box is full and has not been cleaned out during the course of the voyage. ... and is very angry."

PUNX
Art Director
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

Patch, Ghost in the Shell was one of the few Manga films I liked - I likkd it because it reminded me of Gibson's world (William Gibson's inluences were The Ramones, Anphetamine and Bladerunner). I wonder about future fiction because of P.K.Dick's statement that the Human colonists of Mars would read 50-60's pulp sci-fi because it was happier! (in The Three Stygmarta of Palmer Eldritch)

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/sariefaerie/random083-1.jpg

PUNX
Art Director
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

Patch, AI as a partner? Well if I love the person it would not matter in what body it resides. Love is love!

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/sariefaerie/random083-1.jpg

.
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

P.K.Dick was a wise and wonderful writer... and yes will will. Just look at the classics and how they continue to enlighten new generations. I find myself watching classic sci fi films all the time (and most I have seen at least 10 -20 times already. There will be authors that will continue to make an impact with their writing and deal with new issues that have risen because of the technology that has become common place. Yet, it will always be the human drama and not the technology that will entice people to read those stories. A lot of times, the tech is there to push the story forward, or create an interesting environment in which the characters can interact... don't despair, I will write some kiss-ass-ninja-hacker stuff soon...

Sky
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

So true punxman. Lurrve is lurve. That's why I like yahoobot, she is darling XD

Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.

David 1
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

I'm betting a true A.I. must have "needs", and by "needs" I'm not saying sexual needs, I'm saying the need to have curiousity and understanding that It is something else than that which surrounds It. Then, the need to have a way of getting answers Then, the need to have continuation [i.e. to go on existing] I don't have enough info to know in which state A.I. advancement is right now, but I'm into believing it's decades away.

[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

PUNX
Art Director
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

I feel I must point out the requirements for sentience are set down by Humans... and to be fair if these deffinitions are on our terms, then we may not recognize it. Like evolution you don't see it happen or pass, but those in the future will know it has passed!

http://i668.photobucket.com/albums/vv50/sariefaerie/random083-1.jpg

Sky
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

Current state of AI is instructional and It doesn't explore the environment around itself unless instructed. In order to let it process environment and form assumption, those instructions need to be feed as well. This area requires huge programming, I am sure not even supercomputers today can give personalized answers on their own. So going by that point, there is no current curiosity level for AI. Just monitoring conditions.. sort of like X condition met or Y or either one is false etc etc.

Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.

tankgirl
Social Liason
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

this is an interesting article from Times Magazine and discusses the singularity-when AI becomes greater than humans- Kurzweil puts it at 2045 check it out here http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2048299,00.html

\"My God, its full of stars\" David Bowman

David 1
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

no curiosity - no Inteligence [artificial or not]

[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Sky
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

lol Intelligence cant be defined based on speed, curiosity, storage and emotion. It's the timing when these variables are used that decides the intelligence.

Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.

David 1
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

lol even ants are curious.

[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Sky
Group: Member
Rank: Ovomorph
View Profile

July 12, 2012

Ants are organism with brain. They design hive, calculate nature's seasons even if you keep them in glass and live life. Robots are just instruction running tincans, only intelligent based on the given code. They have limits upto code. They don't learn from environment.

Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security.