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Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 7:15 AM A poster recently mentioned just ignoring a rather noticable error..and I am fine with that.
But with so many other observations..comments on every aspect of the movie..settings and charactors,,,just what do you ignore..and just go on with understanding the movie?
I choose to ignore the shape of the Juggernaut..thiough interesting..really doen't affect the storyline.. It could have been any shape..
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David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 9:53 AM1 - If there are errors it is obvious the observer will notice them.
2 - If it has errors of continuity they will be noticed sooner or latter
3 - If there are oddities, they will be noticed
4 - If there are not only those above but also factual inacuracies; they will be noticed.
And, as is, they were and still are noticed [because they are noticeble]
Choosing to ignore them "just because of this or that" it's the kind of excuse I would expect from those who put his/her personal "adoration" above common sense.
It is also the perfect excuse the Cinema Industry needs not to pay attention to details and sell people whatever they have to sell, even if faulty to an absurd extent.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 9:54 AMThanks for the pix I am not sure I have seen it before,,but it does bring out more details...
My hope was just gather plot elements/scenes that occupy many post on the site that don't lead anywhere,, I sort of have a list of my own...and wass curious what other members ignore as not being critical to the storyline.
Like the shape of the Juggernaut is important..but not critical in understanding the movie...
I enjoy more posts on what is critical to the movie(and advance my understanging)..not what items are just important.. additional discussions just don't seem lead anywhere..
@Susano ..Thanks for your post..
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Cyberdeath
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 10:04 AMI understand now, sort of like carving away the stuff that distracts to get to the core and heart of what is important. thank you for clarifying.
here's one more picture of it, just cause i think it's one of the coolest designed shots of the movie, the first pic was from Alien, and this one is from Prometheus to compare and contrast:
[img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/media/prometheus_screencap54.jpg[/img]

Engineering
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 10:16 AM@Indy John...Of course I don't go into every movie like that. I didn't go into this film or come directly out of it feeling this way either. It took me some time to notice that Shaw's character really mirrors the audience in the respect that it's what you choose to believe. I am an open minded person and maybe you misunderstood my statements or how I feel. I come to this site hoping and wishing that someone will say something that will make me see something differently and push me to change my mind about the way I look at things. In fact, right this second I think my wording for some things may have been a little off.
A word that has kept popping up in my mind and in my posts is "path to discovery" and perhaps while the film is about what you choose to believe the long, ever changing path to discovery makes it that much more great.
I can't remember exactly where I read or watched this, nor can I remember who said it, I believe that it was a video interview and that it was Spaihts that said it...Anyway, he said that Scott would come in everyday talking about 2001. Mainly the ending. He said that one day Scott would come in and say "I've got it all figured out" and go on to explain only to come in the next day saying "I didn' have it figured out at all yesterday. This is my new theory." and that it went on like that for the duration of time they spent working on the film.
Does anyone REALLY know the meaning of the end of 2001 or why what happened happened? Did Kubrick even know? Did he have to make another film to answer all that? Someone else eventually did and Spaihts or whoever it was mentioned this and what he and Scott felt about the approach taken for 2010 The Year We Make Contact. I pretty much can't remember at all what was said about that I just know that he touched on how they felt about it and to my recollection they didn't like the way it was approached. This may shed light onto how a Prometheus sequel may go if Scott is indeed at the helm.
My point is that I believe Prometheus to be a lot closer to 2001 than people will either admit or realize. In my opinion, even though there are endless facets and sublots and so forth, the main point of the film is that it's all about what you choose to believe just like Shaw and, much like Shaw started at the end of the film, the path taken to get there.
As far as what I said earlier in regards to what to "ignore" in the film I should have said then that you shouldn't "ignore" anything. When I first read about the 36 hour "problem" i did theorize and wonder if there was some reasoning behind it. Now we know that it was not scripted and another mystery has surfaced. Still, like I said before, I doubt that the whatever the reason behind why it was said, it will not have that much impact on the overall story and quality of the film.
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MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 10:40 AMLMAO, hey this is a work of fiction and if Ridley wanted his juggernaut to roll like a giant donut, well let's roll the damn thing down the hill and squash every one in the process.

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:10 AM"..if Ridley wanted his juggernaut to roll like a giant donut,.."
Maybe Ridley wanted the scene of Shaw/ Vickers being 'chased' by a spaceship and backward engineered his script to include aHorseshoe shaped space ship..(I don't recall the details,,but in Alien did the crashed Juggernaut show any traces of rolling?
I always thought there would be a new model,,bridging the Circular ship at the beginning of the movie and the 'egg ship'..
Geez ..now I am thinking about an item I am trying to ignore!
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spacejock
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:15 AM@Cypher: About Milburn's reaction when he gets killed: Do you also notice that his eyes go white the MOMENT the hammerpede enters his mouth?
Theat means he is dead in that instant, the thing ate his brain.

David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:24 AMEngineering:
"Does anyone REALLY know the meaning of the end of 2001 or why what happened happened?"
No one does, but there are lots of sub-narratives inside the main narrative.
"Did Kubrick even know? Did he have to make another film to answer all that?
Kubrik knew exactly what he was doing. And no he did not had to make another movie because he didn't want to explain it. Has he himself said 2001 is a movie that is suposed to "work you in your subcoscient".
Plus he always refused to explain any of his movies [because of the sub-narratives involved] such as The Shining,
"Someone else eventually did and Spaihts or whoever it was mentioned this and what he and Scott felt about the approach taken for 2010 The Year We Make Contact. "
See, here is the thing: 2001 is Kubrik + A. C. Clark thing. But to be honest it's Kubrik taking advantage from A. C. Clarks "the Sentinel". Clark droped down to his knees and begged to be involved in 2001. Kubrik said yes but he himself had all the controll over the flick, not Clark,
Clark would be writting at the same time Kubrik was shooting. Kubrik never told Clark what was it all about and Clark had to make a guess.
Fun fact: Kubrik also had writing rights to the 2001 book, so he sort of told Clark what he should write and what he should not; wich is also a great way of saying: don't mind reeding this cause you'll find no truth in it.
2010 is a A. C. Clark continuation [and 2061 and 3001] and none of them replies to what Kubrik made in 2001. they are all "best guesses" and that's it.
On a final note: Prometheus is faar waaaaaaaaaaaayyyy from 2001. There is no movie with the same aestethics, mind bogling material, sound escaping, plot ambiguity ever done since 2001, and there will never be another one.
2001 is a Work of Art by itself. And the million attempts made to even trying to copy it have been failling miserabily.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

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MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:29 AM@Indy John Ridley stated he wanted the Juggernaut to roll and so the designer adjusted his concept accordingly. I love the movies, you can do anything!

David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:33 AMPatch:
Magic also helps a lot. lol
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:36 AM"..On a final note: Prometheus is faar waaaaaaaaaaaayyyy from 2001. There is no movie with the same aestethics, mind bogling material, sound escaping, plot ambiguity ever done since 2001, and there will never be another one.''
As I sit here now I enjoyed Prometheus better than 2001...because the storyline was told in tighter presentation..
2001 was more dramatic..with the long scenes so you needed to keep yourself awake...
Thought provoking-yes
Visuals...oK
Enjoyable,,not as much as Prometheus..
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David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 11:40 AMIndy:
those are your thoughts, and I accept them.
But keep in mind. 2001 is a Space Opera.
Prometheus is a Space Horror flick trying to emulate 2001 "on steroids". So said Ridley.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]

Inquisitor Tremayne
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 1:00 PMi can't ignore all the problems and inconsistencies; that's my problem!

lost_in_lost
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 2:28 PMI would be happy if i could ignore most of the scenes in the movie, but the stupidity was so "in ya face" that there was no escape...

PickleGuy
MemberOvomorphJul-18-2012 3:31 PM@Cypher: Pfft... come on dude... don't you know that the worms are covered with an ecto-plasmic paralyzing agent? His nervous system froze the instant the worm breached his mouth and the agent was absorbed through his buccal mucosa. DUH?
Some people..........
;c)
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