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MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 8:11 AMI know it's petty and pathetic but the one thing that really annoyed me about Prometheus was
"PROMETHEUS HAS LANDED"
it's something everybody had been 'conditioned' to expect from viral clip after trailer after exclusive content after TV spot prior to the film's release, and I realise that 'some times some things get cut out'.
But there was just no point, for this [i]cruelest cut[/i].
There was space in the narrative, it didn't cut to anything else. There was occassion, they'd just landed. There was an opportune moment to rally We The Viewers around 'the game's afoot', the horror about to unleash.
[url=http://www.fxguide.com/download/?force_file=/2012/06/Prometheus_has_landed.mp4][i]The landing Prometheus spacecraft follows shots from outer space through the planet’s harsh atmosphere and onto the surface.[/i][/url]
But no, Ridley took out this FUNDAMENTAL line. And that deletion gave the start of the film a really bizarre "SOMETHING IS MISSING here" moment. Like "Am I watching an honest version of the film?" here or something else? Anyone else?
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Art DirectorMemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 8:36 AMI totally agree freeplanet... everytime I watch the film I wait fo the the line "Promethius has landed". It not being said (by anyone but my subconcious... as for audience involvement its a cheap trick, I creditted Scott for not doing through away stuff like that).
I Don't understand (and accepting Mr.L's lustreless and limping script flaws and holes and loving this cinematic treat all the same(works just as well as a silent flick!)) why a Capt. to a strange new world, yrs from Earth and forerunning his employeers wishes would not (for the crew at least) announce that the ship had touched down!
Maybe Janek whispered it to himself or more likely, I had pupiosley blocked it out in the belief that with no comfomation I could ignore it....... drat you Freeplanet! :)
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zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 8:57 AMWhy would Janek want to ape Neil Armstrong? It's set in an era when deep space travel is routine. It was obvious that the damned thing had landed, so it was a reasonable edit if ever it was there in the first place.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 9:38 AM
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so then why the accompanying RIDICULOUS countdown, too.
Means nothing, logistically - you're either landed or you're not.
"Brace for landing prcedure," covers the act of getting ready to land, and the landing.
[b]You don't hear the captain of a commercial airliner or oceanliner doing a COUNTDOWN[/b], ffs.
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...
Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 9:47 AMPunx,
the Spaihts script might have been even weaker - WILL NO F***ING WRITER/DIRECTOR broach the subject of the lone alien's [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/9176]VAMPIRE-LIKE ALLURE[/url]?
It's clearly doing something in Alien whereby the victims are TRANSFIXED, nailed to the spot in awe - yeah might just be terror, but might also be some subsonic Seduction Wave, you know, sax-alien-ophone.
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...
zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 10:03 AMWhy is a countdown RIDICULOUS, exactly? Why do you think countdowns are used on space missions? They're useful now, and they will still be useful in a thousand years.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 10:03 AMoh Prometheus landed all right... but not the way it should have, sadly.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 11:22 AMim very glad janek didnt proclaim "prometheus has landed" (agree with your comment zzplural). The slogan was just a silly marketing gimick...completely unnecessary within the framework of the film.
Svanya
AdminPraetorianJul-29-2012 12:40 PMThat reminds me, doesn't Holloway even say the "One small step" line at one point?? I think I blocked all the cheezyness out while in theatre, now I am having flashbacks...
zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 12:44 PM@David 1:
I'll grant you that one. A lot of people don't have the brainpower to realise what a brilliant movie it is, unfortunately, and they contribute to the general drag on its IMDB rating, bringing it down to a paltry 7.6.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 12:54 PMSvanya:
I believe he said it, yes.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 1:59 PM@zzplural: though i dont think lack of brain power is the exclusive cause for some of the prometheus hate (preconceived notions, personal aesthetics, group think etc. being some of the contributing factors), i do completely agree with the gist of your comment. btw, are you sporting a picture of gillian anderson (looks like her)?
@david 1 and svanya: it was clear that the inclusion of holloway's line ("one small step") was to further illustrate the brash and somewhat idiotic nature of his character. Shaw's response of "seriously?" was meant to echo the audiences' reaction to holloway's comment. It wasnt as if the creators of the film thought..."oh, this will be a neato, tricky, slick, and totally badass line to include". The reaction that we all had to holloway's line was what the writers intended.
Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 3:09 PMI spend way too much time on this forum.
LOL.
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...
Svanya
AdminPraetorianJul-29-2012 6:27 PM[i]zzplural
I'll grant you that one. A lot of people don't have the brainpower to realise what a brilliant movie it is, unfortunately, and they contribute to the general drag on its IMDB rating, bringing it down to a paltry 7.6.[/i]
Was that really Necessary, zzplural? Everyone has a right to their opinion, just because someone did not like the movie does not mean they lack intelligence.
And, pertaining to joeyjoe's question; I believe your avatar is Gillian Anderson, correct? I had asked you that awhile back too. People want to know :P
Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 7:14 PMWell if everybody has a right to voice there opinion. Then all I have to say is this thread is sad. It makes no sense what so ever. Give me something that will make me think.
Indy John
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 9:28 PMPROMETHEUS HAS LANDED"
I didn't miss this line in the movie.
I suspect it will be used to launch the DVD sales..
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life
zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-29-2012 11:35 PM@joeyjoe:
You're quite right. Holloway was high on anticipation and excitement. IIRC he even whooped at one point. So the throwaway 'one small step' comment was in character.
@svanya:
Yes, I believe it was necessary to say that. I've seen so many comments where people aggressively try to tear it down for completely spurious reasons that I can hardly think otherwise. In England, we have a word for aggressive dumb people who make loud noises: CHAV (council-housed and violent).
@both:
Yes, my avatar is indeed a representation of Gillian Anderson. Looking more than a little exasperated, I have to say!
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-30-2012 2:07 AMPunx,
what is wrong with these people?
Do you remember Hercules Poirrot or Murder She Wrote or Sherlock or Morse where the detective would confront a group of assembled suspects and announce, "No, the murderer is..."
THAT MOMENT.
The omission of 'Prometheus has landed' after all the times it's been used in the trailers was just as if Poirrot or Lansbury or Sherlock or Morse has omited to name the murderer. As corny as the line was, I was really looking forward to it. In fact, I cried inside, a little, like a ittw giwl who'd had her ittw wowwy pop stolen from here by the school bully.
Imagine that, just the credits rolling up after the "murderer is..."
It can't be just me and thee?
LOL
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joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphJul-30-2012 2:11 AM@zzplural: G.A. is a complete goddess. She is everything that is right with this world. haha. anyways...are you a big fan?
zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-30-2012 7:15 AM@joeyjoe:
Yeah, G.A. is a fine woman And very nice to look at :-) Perfectly cast in the X Files, of which I saw many an episode when it was on TV. Haven't seen much of her lately, though. Might catch her in 'The Curse of The Buxom Strumpet', which is in pre-production. Now there's a title for you!
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
Svanya
AdminPraetorianJul-30-2012 10:56 AM@zzplural;
Keep in mind there are people on both sides who have extreme views on the movie. I agree the uber negative naysayers have issues but I don't think it is a lack of intelligence. There are an equal amount of people that will claim the movie is a flawless masterpiece. Don't confuse those radicals with regular people who simply enjoyed or didn't enjoy the movie for more down to earth reasons.
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MemberOvomorphJul-30-2012 11:47 AMI was surprised how quickly they found the Temples in the first place.... at that point my mind was closed to the dialog and wanted to see the effects... "God does not build in straight lines..." what the hell is he talking about.... anyway, after that line I was numb... my hopes were dashed, and the emotional content of my being laid waste to that statement...
zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-30-2012 12:04 PM@patch kat
God occasionally builds in straight lines - e.g. tree trunks, cracks in icebergs etc. but Holloway was specifically referring to the ground markings emanating from the Engineer's pyramids. From memory, they were indicated in colour on one of the computer displays. He was saying that they were artificial. There was something similar in the movie [i]Contact[/i] where a series of prime numbers were detected from space, a sure sign of a non-natural phenomenon.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
Custodian
MemberOvomorphJul-31-2012 1:42 AMNow,
while I'm happy for those that thought it necessary to (intentionally or accidentally) derail this VERY IMPORTANT thread from its original remit...
Let's get it back on course, "Why would a producer/director/writer team, having hyped the PROMETHEUS HAS LANDED 'legend' during umpteen trailers/virals suddenly decide to LEAVE A GAPING HOLE in the movie, just at the point they'd previously (vociferously) marketed?"
And how does this deletion relate (do you think?) to the further revelations that THERE'S A BIG SURPRISE/RE-LAUNCH on its way that may suggest that David 8 and his mechanical kind are NOT TO BE TRUSTED.
:)
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...
get-it-out-of-me!
MemberOvomorphJul-31-2012 2:48 AMErm...hmm... I always felt the line worked better exclusively in the trailer because the context of the landing had already been set in the movie itself.
zzplural
MemberOvomorphJul-31-2012 11:20 AM@FreePlanet:
In answer to your 'very important' question...
Trailers are usually produced a long time before a movie has been fully edited. Driven by a marketing department. The line may have been useful in a 1-minute segment where you get to see very little of the landing sequence but was not necessary for the movie itself.
I can't speak for Ridley Scott, but I imagine that his busy schedule does not extend to producing the trailers for numerous markets all over the world, so I'd be inclined to knock the conspiracy theory on the head.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
Custodian
MemberOvomorphAug-01-2012 2:33 AMZZ,
I'm a big boy and I know how trailers are made, ffs. That's not my point. They OMITED i.e. PHYSICALLY DELETED that "liver-eagle has landed" line from A VALID SPACE IN THE FILM, a groove already carved in pre-production, a place where the dialogue (or monologue) "belonged".
Maybe the P r o m e t h e u s tagline should have been, "In space no one can hear you land."
MY STAB AT U.K. HUMOUR.
Hey, come on, it's early in the morning, [i]chez nous[/i].
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...
zzplural
MemberOvomorphAug-01-2012 3:47 AMI will pay special attention to that moment the next time I see the movie, FreePlanet, in order to more fully understand your anguish.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
Custodian
MemberOvomorphAug-01-2012 4:09 AMI wonder if Scott'll "bow to pressure" and re-insert the line "Prometheus has landed," into its rightful place in the RE-RELEASED film?
2013 sci-fi horror novels 'Custodian' and 'Tandem' available from Amazon, B&N, iTunes etc...
zzplural
MemberOvomorphAug-05-2012 3:19 AMI doubt it. Having watched the movie again yesterday, specifically paying attention to this scene, it works fine as it is.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent
Major Noob
MemberOvomorphAug-05-2012 10:13 AMPersonally, I was relieved that the line was omitted. It sounded tacked on to me, like it was done in a studio after the fact. Kinda cheapened the trailer even. Just my perspective. I do fall into the masterpiece camp, btw. and just wanted to suggest that "masterpiece" doesn't necessarily mean "flawless". It's subjective, for sure. Beauty is in the eye, friends!
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