Aliens- Giant Insects?

And to get back to topic... Ridley always wanted the Alien in his film to move the way the Aliens did in Cameron's films but he couldn't achieve it because of the fragility of the suit they used. When Cameron made his film he removed the dome after realizing it damaged too easily and to give the creatures more definition in the sets lighting. Both Ridley and Jim are fans of each others Alien films. And both Ridley and Jim have referred to the creature as an insectoid parasite. And remember not all insects are small - in fact the first insects were much, much larger than today's insects.

@ Pulserifle.... Xenomorph means alien form, as in an unidentified, unknown enemy. It was because of Aliens that we have since called the creature the Xenomorph. @ Necronom4... Look at the context in which the term is used "is this a stand up fight sir, or another bug hunt", in other words "are we going into combat or wasting our time". This was a team of lazy and inexperienced marines with an inexperienced CO. Remember that the "Company" knew what was down there, they knew what was on LV-426 but did not inform the marines, the only people who truly knew for certain what was down there in the rescue team were Ripley, and to a degree, Burke.

Indeed, the xenos in aliens seemed a bit more like insects than in Alien, but what if Alien had numerous xenos?...they would have seemed like insects in that film as well...glossy dome or no glossy dome. I think that the nature of one lone killer in alien helps us to remove drawing a parallel to known life forms like insects here on earth. I like the polar bear analogy. The marines are armed to the teeth and xenos are no match for explosive tipped armor piercing rounds. Regardless, the marine firepower and armor still doesn't defend them from the resulting acid spraying about. I was so horrified by Alien as a young kid that when Aliens hit the theaters, I was kind of relieved that the marines had something in which to fight the aliens with. Sure it took the whole "indestructible" feel away from them, but I was released none the less.

@Snorkelbottom. I think the conversation went something like, HUDSON"Is this guna be a stand up fight or another Bug Hunt". GORMAN "a Xenomorph may be involved". Then, without missing a beat Hicks replies "It's a Bug Hunt". I would think that Ripley had already given Gorman detailed descriptions.... People saying "They had that conversation because they didn't know what they were dealing with" Really doesn't make any sense to me! No, they wouldn't have known what they were dealing with BUT, surely It would have made alot more sense for Gorman to say, in replie to Hudsons question with "We don't know exactly what we are dealing with here, but it is a Hostile Alien Lifeform" To me it was Camerons way of telling us that they are Bugs! (which they are not) If that was not his intention, then WHY did they move like Bugs (GrassHoppers) and reproduce like Bugs (Egg laying Queen) Which Hudson also compared to Ants? Also, it was a way of giving it a name. Also, on one of the Documentarys, Ridley said that he got the Bloke in the Suit 'Bolaji Badejo' doing mime to express Slow, Deliberate, Spooky, Alien Movement which is quite different to Aliens Fast, Aggressive, Wall Hopping and Jumping movements!

@necronom 4 › we already went over this!!! they ARE meant to be bugs!!!! or at least similar!!!! people compare the queen to bugs, true but you know what else bugs do? THEY LAY EGGS INSIDE LIVING HOSTS THAT EAT THEM FROM THE INSIDE!!!! just saying, bugs are not a bad thing, and idk about you but bugs Fing creep me out thats for sure :( also do you know why it was slow and creepy in the first and fast and aggressive in the second??? because the first one was a horror movie, the second was action (also because the suit in the first movie couldn't handle fast movements, it ripped when he came out of the wall in the end). thats why, you cant make an action movies with slow creepy visuals, and if you say then it shouldn't have been an action movie then you are disliking it because you dont like that kind of movie (and thats fine) but that does not make the movie bad on its own merits.

also Camerons idea for the queen came from under sea life, not bugs. just thought i would throw that out there.

@invaderzim42. Thanx man! That as cleared things up for me, sort of. I think that people who either really like Aliens or Love it, will defend it to the death and come up with their own explinations for its flaws!!! And people who take a neutral stand point, who LOVE Alien, will see that there is something fundementally(sic) wrong with Aliens! I LOVE Alien! and as far as i'm concerned, Aliens somehow cheapens Alien! That's just my opinion, obviously!

I believe they may have a hierarchy similar to insects, like ants. I believe the deacon represents this. In the first alien, the Xeno was the star of the movie. In the later ones it was not, I feel that's where they went wrong...

I just always felt that the Alien in the Original was somehow other worldly ie Not like anything else we would recognise. The Aliens in the second film just remind me of a very large version of something i would find hanging from a web on my Window. The Original Alien wasn't at all like that! It was more human in its movements and Very Spooky! It reminded me of a Demon God! That's almost impossible to kill. It seems i'm on my own with this one But nothing will persuade me otherwise! :-) Not even James Cameron himself! The Alien was "Perfect" the way it was! Necronom is its name NOT Xenomorph lol :-)

we are not saying you are wrong with alien, yeah when you just watch the movie that's what it seems like, we are just saying that aliens is not bad, its just different, and that's fine. oh, and btw i always thought the one part where the alien was walking towards Lambert was slow motion. i mean i know that he walked slow anyway but i was always kind of under the impression he was like not running but like briskly and violently walking towards her? but in slow motion? they may just be me idk lol

we are not saying you are wrong with alien, yeah when you just watch the movie that's what it seems like, we are just saying that aliens is not bad, its just different, and that's fine. oh, and btw i always thought the one part where the alien was walking towards Lambert was slow motion. i mean i know that he walked slow anyway but i was always kind of under the impression he was like not running but like briskly and violently walking towards her? but in slow motion? they may just be me idk lol

That is fine! Everyone is entitled to their own opinions (including me, i think?) But i'm saying i don't like Aliens! I'm saying that i don't think the Original Alien is a Bug! I'm saying that the Alien is called a Necronom as the Original Alien was based on Gigers Painting Necronom IV! That's my opinion. People don't have to agree with me and like wise! Necronom.:-)

oh.... well yeah its a bug, it may not have reminded people of a bug, but still that's what it was :)

Ookaay.... Necronom! :-)

The Term Bug hunt means that yes it could be waste of time, but maybe also if their mission is a extermination well that could be refered to as Bug Hunt. I dont think none of the Marines knew what they was in for and they certainly would not have known what the Xenos looked like as they could only go by Ripleys description of which most was not paying any attention.

Good Point!. Now i must go and watch Aliens for the hundreth time, with a bag of popcorn LMAO at every scene Haaaaaaahaha. BTW, i'm only jokin! :-)

[img]http://movies.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/nosferatu.jpg[/img] the original Alien always reminded me of the poise and allure of Klaus Kinski's NOSFERATU. That's the BIG ASPECT that was missing from Aliens, that lusty seductive need; that deep inner hurt, that alien oddness.

Thanx FreePlanet, PERFECT!!! I think sometimes a point can be better expressed with a Picture! :-)

no worries necro4 'thousand words' and all that...