year 3,000 - an Engineer lands on Earth

Good question.... Somehow no answers ...

I am hoping prom2 isn't a waste if time again

People on here are (mostly) very happy with what happened to the confusing Prometheus project; the Engineer solution. Even though they didn't fulfill their role as 'empathetic character', you know; mute suiciders, mute thugs. I feel Prometheus is (a great little film but) a missed open goal. There'll be few positive responses to this thread, I'm sure. And that might be a good idea, at least there'll be warming partisanism. People who think the Ganesha 'truck driver' narrative isn't enough empathy for the viewer even though films like Wall-E (in fact most of Pixar's output) prove that 'objects' can be succesfully anthropomorphised. We don't need a Human film character to portray a) story and b) emotion. Would PROMETHEUS have been 'enough of a story' without the fairly blatant references to Alien and Giger all through it? Or would it just have come across as Ridley Does Stargate?

I wish they weren't dead...then we won't learn nothing from them.

[b]Year 3,000[/b] The fourteenth generation Personality Bank on AL-589 detects a glitch in Memory Construct FrreeePlannet - a simulacrum derived from early internet archives and tissue samples taken from a crime scene in Bangkok, 2043. "I am not a FrreePlannet. I am a Custodian," it proclaims, whilst spooling the history of Ridley Scott to the investigating agent. "We need to sort this out," hisses a voice from the sub-ether. The investigating agent leans forward and gives Custodian a metaphorical tap on the shoulder through a 300-light-year bridge. "You are going to die," he says. "But only for a moment, so don't worry." "Rewinding, now," he says to his unseen masters. "Reconciliation will occur in Tissue Sample T-minus 16 years. Indications are that the subject will be normalised with minimal loss of hubris." The link fizzles out and the Personality Bank on AL-589 resumes its work.

ZZ, that'll probably happen - but not yet! :)

I guess that when the Engineers reach Earth, we will all be dead, soon, anyway!

Cblue, there'll be no DEAD HUMANS, real life doesn't exist in the Weyland Universe - I mean, after all, they had 13 X speed of light travel and didn't think to mention ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. It's just there, in the future, awaiting a galaxy overpopulated by the Human Virus, or maybe Nexus 6's.

Xeno's did kill (or were responsible for the death of) The Engineers. THIS IS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS! Milburn comments on how the corpses had "exploded from within" and you can clearly see 'burst' holes in some of their chests. In a deleted scene on the bluray, Milburn and Fifield also find some shed Xenomorph skin in the corridors. Clearly they were running from a newly spawned Xeno or Deacon. (There must have been an accident involving the black goo.) It's no coincidence they shared the same fate as the original Space Jockey.

we see the naked foot of an Engineer make contact with suburban Earth, we hear the sirens and the slaughter of Civil Unrest. if that's not how Prometheus 2 starts, we can safely assume that the ENGINEERS ARE ALL DEAD. -Why would this mean they are all dead?! Am i missing something? If anything, the fact that we are still here means they are all dead, as no Engineers resumed the "destroy/mutate mankind mission" over 2000 years ago. The fact that this mission stopped with the last Engineer we see suggests that their race (or at least that faction) is long gone.

Fleshvessel, then what were the Engineers (they were being pursued by someone cloaked or 'erased', no?) running away from? Can the xenos cloak? Predators can, but I don't like an Engineer debate that incorporates that. You can't run away from an infestation of you're own chest; or rather, such would not be able to externally pursue you. There was SOMEONE in the corridors with the fleeing Engineers, and it didn't record. Am I right in guessing that you AGREE with me that 'there are no Engineers left'?

just because the engineers didnt continue with the destroy all life on earth mission doesnt mean they are all dead, they could have changed their minds again or maybe it was a small minoraty ot engineers working alone. but then again why did the humans get away with colonising lv426 without the engineers intervening i mean its one of their moons unless they received the warning and laughed at our stupidity.

Also, a scream which sounds just like the Deacon at the end, sounds out as David activates the first recording. Heard but not seen, lol.

Definitely agree. Engineers all dead. The fact is, the dead pile of Engineers had been chest-bursted, and a deleted scene shows Milburn and Fifield finding a shed xeno skin in the corridors. Now, why this Deacon, Xeno, whatever, threat doesnt appear on the recordings, i dont know. It could be they saw their Engineer buddies bursting open and just ran like the wind. We dont know how far behind this threat was- the recording ends as the decapitee falls.

@Fleshvessel: The scream is interesting, but I still think the engineers died when their heads exploded. I don't think xeno's were involved. The skin found sounds like one alright, but even if there was a xeno around, the engineers still probably died there when their heads exploded, as a result of some other agent. The skin could have been shed by one of the hammerpedes, too, or by another creature that was wandering around.

The fact is THEIR CHESTS WERE BURST OPEN in several cases. Another clue is the slimy "impressive" goo that David spreads between his fingers. This is VERY resemblant of Xeno saliva. Also based on the shape of the skin (not sure if you have seen the bluray) it had arms and legs. C'mon, shed skin, sticky saliva, screams and chest-bursting!? Resist it all you want- Xenos were present (or deacons maybe) on LV-223. Look in your heart- you know this to be true...lol.

So then, were they running from their own exploding heads?! C'mon man- shed skin (with arms), chest-bursted Engineers, Deacon screams, sticky alien saliva (the stuff David spreads between his fingers) on the walls; how much more do we need!?

@Fleshvessel: It's just that when Milburn says the dead engineers look like they burst from within, it's easy to assume, knowing as we do about alien, that it was what xeno's do, and if you look closely at the bodies, the only hole in them is in one of their helmets/ heads. Their suits resemble rib cages, which gives it a look of chests burst open, but really you see nothing but their suits. What I think happened was the engineers were running from yet another WMD, either chemical or biological, which was airborne, and they hoped if they got away in time they wouldn't inhale enough of it to kill them. The one who was decapitated still had this weapon inside his system, and his death prevented his head from exploding. It's all strange stuff, and I can come up with a couple other ideas, but this seems logical, and it adds a certain new dimension of fear.

The masks (one would think) would prevent the engineers from inhaling any airborne contagions, no? Furthermore, David had verified the air was contagion-free and safe to breathe. The Engineer looking back over his shoulder as he flees also implies he was being pursued by something. I agree they were infected with something, but you guys are all ignoring the most important pieces of the puzzle: 1) The scream at the beginning of the recording 2) The shed Xeno skin (not hammerpede skin- watch bluray) 3) The sticky green saliva crap on the walls/panels 4) (Possibly the most important) The Engineer cry pods (all but one) had been burst through, as if some, small creature burst out. Hmmm... Wonder what that could have been...?

I wonder why the PURSUER OF THE ENGINEERS was left such a mystery - it's a pretty cynical ploy.

It really was. I'll never make it to the sequel- my head is going to explode long before that.

@Fleshvessel: The engineers' cryo-pods weren't burst through, not the ones at the end in the theatrical release at any rate. Do you mean there were others in the deleted scenes?

Sorry, but YES they 100% were. I have seen this 10 times (so far) ; during my 10th viewing last night i snapped a pic for ya. (You almost had me doubting myself) Shit i cannot paste here! I'll find a link to a theatrical pod... [img]http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/349[/img]

http://www.prometheus-movie.com/gallery/view/img/349

I have a collection of pics i took myself as well- and they were DEFINITELY burst. Why they spared one- i dont know.

That is to say- how did the remaining engineer avoid infection/impregnation?...(prior to entering cryo)

you're right, three of the four looked BURST THROUGH ... so they were (?) being Face Hugger pursued? Or was it a spore version? Or some cloaked thing? interesting.

Aaaaaahh! It's like the more we learn/discover- the more questions we are left with.

Trust me, none of the pods are broken-out-of.

Trust what you can see. It has always served me well.

Of course, I have seen it. I am not sure what gives you the impression you have, but it's just a trick of the light or something. I look at it, and see it differently. Think of when David says to the people who come with him to speak to the surviving engineer, "Their hyper-sleep chambers will impress..." Would it make sense for him to say that if three of the four were "broken out of", even with dead bodies inside? The lids of the hyper-sleep chambers are all flawlessly smooth, adding to the visual impressiveness of the film. I have seen in the special features of the blu-ray drawings of engineers who died in some of these hyper-sleep chambers, but I assume this wasn't put in the film after all.

@ Fleshvessel: You were right. I looked at the picture as you said and I saw the holes. I saw the film several times, too, without noticing before, and I felt certain that the hyper-sleep chambers looked intact. Not only is there what David said, but it also didn't seem possible because you'd think the xeno's wouldn't have burst out while their hosts were in cryo. I wonder what the surviving one knew about that. Maybe he was a saboteur, working against the others, who knows. The xeno's didn't harm him, yet he was in there and the xeno's that burst out would have been on board with him. After 2,000 years, they'd be dead, but maybe they were able to reproduce, because the pup by the door to the ship detected life for a few moments, maybe "from the other side of the door, in the cargo hold", say if a xeno came near for a while. I'm sorry for not believing you.

Hey, that's quite all right. It is tough to see at first. At least now we can put our heads together and try to figure out why the one pod was NOT burst. Was he a saboteur? Was he the only un-infected one prior to entering cryo? You're also right though, Alpha- why did they burst in cryo!? That is strange. I am trying to remember the end of Aliens and beginning of Alien 3 when Newt and Hicks die in cryo, and Ridley wakes up infected. How did that go down?

".. REAL QUESTION, "Who are the SpaceJockey (truckers) and why their egg cargo?" @Custodian I just stumbled across your thread and am sorry I missed out on the discussion The Last Engineer is just a term for the Last Engineer found by this group of Humans,,It never occurred to me that the ones found in the movie 'Prometheus' were the only one left. In fact I seriously think that other Engineers are still around the this moon. Certainly David and Shaw will become acutely aware of the Engineer world,,and their lager purpose in the scheme of things. You thread is serious in condering this question..and there no coubt in my mind that it will be addressed. Each poster can speculate a;; they want..and given the time , money and motivation,,could bring an answer to this question ina future movie project. Someone(I thought it was you, Custodian) referred to this movie as a TV show,,,and taken in bits..it could possibly be ,,,but not to me. However flawed the movie may seem..it is a work in progress,,and I am willing to ride out the story whereever RS wants to lead.. Unfortunely I am closer to Weylands age than you,,but still each step can be worthwhile. Now I need to read the middle section of posts..of this thread. .

"..It's just that when Milburn says the dead engineers look like they burst from within.." @Visionary Alpha Millburn is on the job because of his biology skills.. I am not as easy to dismiss his observations so quicly since he was on the scene.. YOu may be right in your observations,,but with the heightens alertness/fright of Millburn,,his instincts would take over and give a spontaneous response. Still the greater question of this scene is why are they piled up , in this manner at that particular door? My DVD player gives me a quite dark scene easily missing the details discussed here. With the computer the image is much brighter and detailed,,which is horrifying to look at. Something very serious occurred and I want to know why!