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Prometheus minus Alien - any good as a film?

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Custodian

MemberOvomorphOctober 26, 2012
basically, did we need the (constant) back referencing to Alien throughout the Prometheus film? the angle of the derelict in every shot the giger design lingering the arrangement of ampules-that-weren't-eggs the space jockey chair LV-this or that I know Ridley said that he [b]wanted[/b] to explore who that SPACE TRUCKER was, and who commissioned his eggy cargo, but he seems to have gone off on a totally different cinematic voyage in the thirty years it took him to make this film. Now, I have no problem with this, BUT would Prometheus have been attended with such enthusiasm had Ridley just released what was essentially just another Stargate Remembered film? Was there enough in the film to strip it of its ALIEN lineage? And this is a serious critical question, i.e. not for the Prometheus fanboys (yes, I realise this is a fan site) to just go loony about. Come on, "Would Prometheus have stood up as its own story?" I personally (for what it's worth) think we could have had a better version of Battlefield Earth as a movie, visitors coming to claim their land? Not sure, help...
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I do like many elements of the Prometheus story/film/presentation etc. I just felt a little 'betrayed is too strong a word' that it felt like it had to pander to or pamper the alien-fan somewhat with its clumsy relics of an old 1979 movie like the spacejockey and the eggroom and the android and ... you know, Giger. I wanted it to have YES gone through that homage process via Spaihts and Lindelof, but then REALLY CONCRETED what it wants to be and not let the past linger, "Move on," if you like. But have your own identity, you know? Did it? Or was it lumbered with the past? The Giger-baggage, which (to me) it didn't really need. A pre-film cleansing would have purified and unified the ideas present in the early script while shuffling off the remnant skin of 'what was'. Ya know?
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Custodian, I get what you're saying, I just don't see these elements as baggage. To me it's a marvelous glossy technicolor examination of the cool stuff in Alien that was never before addressed, plus lots of awesome new stuff to goggle at and kick off the new story. I keep saying it, this is a cross fade from the Alien franchise to hopefully a big new one, but with familiar elements that deserve their time in the blockbuster sun! Get in board, man, it's ginna be like nothing else!
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^^^ What the man said.
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I enjoyed THE THING prequel, and I was expecting THE SAME sort of wondrous discover, the journalistic who what where when whys of the Space Trucker and his eggy cargo. Nope, didn't get that - got Stargate, got Chariots of the Gods, got (literally) Space Jesus'd.
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You are one glum customer! You got a cool brilliantly realized package well obsessed over by the man himself! LOOK at that thing! Stargate. HMPH.
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Stargate, you just REFUSE to see, lover. Denial is not that river in Egypt. :)
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subjective and personal aesthetics. Not denial. Your (custodian) personal expectations turned out to be incompatible/in contrast with Prometheus. So?
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Joey Joe, I remember reading a book once, from my favourite author Haruki Murakami, and he's an expert at writing the 'anecdotal tale' where a story/world is plunged into at an almost random point, some enigmatic narrative things happen, then the book ends, leaving one feeling that it's NOT FINISHED; unpure. Most of Murakami's attempts at this succeed: [b]After Dark[/b] doesn't. I feel the same way about Prometheus; unpure.
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Spaithis's original script was undenialably superior. The Engineers and their part in the story should have been the undertone, not the Xenomorphs
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I can understand his desire to expand the story and universe of Alien beyond its original boundaries, but I still question his execution. No offense to Sir Scott, but I have a really bad feeling that he's trying to lean more towards a Wrath of the Titans. Spaithis stated in interviews that the only "main" reason why his script was scrapped was because he hadn't had any produced films and Lindeloff did (not that any of work is that good to begin with). I mean seriously, his script turned the story into a total cluster-[you know what I mean]
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If what you say is treeu that the film is a cluster #$%&*^%^ then why all the attention? AS f#$%%$##$ up the script, movie even actors you would think that it would be a waste of time, something to kicked to the curb, something to be forgotten. Instead the threads have taken a life of their own and the Prometheus movie experience is still expanding. So I sort of believe everything and anything until I see the next installment and observe the future storyline. My problem is as I now watch the movie all the scrips all the threads and all the pooster's ideas come into the mind and causes me to replay a scene and observe different elements of the action.
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