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How to make the Alien scary again.

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I agree completely with the author of the following article!

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The poster was good though!

 

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I think it's interesting to consider that the Alien may have wants, that it's more intelligent than we give it credit for.  The Alien's design/image is psychosexual in nature, so it may also have certain needs.  We were created in the image of the gods and they were "mortal after all".  No mortal needs nothing.  However, maybe the Alien almost needs "nothing" (because it's immortal) and it just wants to survive.  It has very good survival instincts and can replace cells at a rapid rate.  The Hammerpede was even able to instantly regenerate its own head.

Maybe the Alien just won't stay dead, and wants to be alive very badly.  That could be part of what makes it scary again.  One part of the lifecycle has an enchanced ability to reanimate things/replicate cells locked in its genetics, thanks to the goo... So, it can just sorta "trick" itself back to life.  Maybe the trick is not minding that it hurts being dead: that it hurts being immortal. 

I like what Blomkamp's been saying about Alien 5 being a "Freudian Nightmare". Perhaps the company is neither good nor evil, and we just need to see things from their perspective...  A twisted sense of logic could be behind why Weyland-Yutani is willing to let people die/sacrifice themselves for the cause.  If employees/investors are brought on board with Weyland corp's beliefs, then they will be more willing to do anything and eveything for the company.  The company can then just "trick" employees minds back to life in various ways if they die.  If your brain is valuable enough then it's preserved by the company, and most humans are just tools to the company to do with as they please.

Becoming a higher up in the company would afford you certain privileges, but it also means possibly becoming indoctrinated to their beliefs.  You would have the option of choosing to believe what Weyland corp really believes/knows/understand about the universe.  What if we find out none of the survivors at Corporate Headquarters actually considered their actions evil?  They were overtaken by their own corporate policies/beliefs.  In the TEDtalk Weyland says he's willing to do immoral things that push the boundaries of ethics to get ahead.  

There are many ways of understanding the world.  I think Weyland corp has a certain way of thinking: a set of policies, beliefs, and philsophies of their own. They'd have a different way of looking at the universe. It'd be more like an ideology or philosophy than a belief structure.  This would some of them to justify their evil actions.

Maybe the company uses a lot psychological tricks to justify their actions to themselves.  When people have near death experiences they often claim to see the light, but this could just be a "trick" of perception & chemicals in the brain.  It's just a dream/nightmare/hallucination.  Maybe Weyland believes your consciousness goes nowhere when you die.  It just ends.  Game over.  End of story.  Weyland, Ravel, and Chance get bored and come back from the "Other side"   It becomes about perception.

What if Mr. Weyland found out that there is no real heaven or hell?  Hell could be more of a state of mind than a place with an actual circumference.  David would be carrying hell to Paradise within his mind. It doesn't really matter if an army of Davids uses the bio-weapon on them or not.  The way I see it, the Alien is both good and evil.  Death is necessary.  It's part of the natural order of things.  It can be viewed as an angel or a demon if one so chooses, but it's neither of those things really.  The Engineers came to worship it for certain reasons.  It holds significance to them in their belief structure.

The Alien would become representative of what is on the "other side", after we die.  Maybe when Weyland dies he finds out there is nothing on the "other side", nothing except the Alien...  So, when they trick Weyland's mind back to life again his singular purpose is to figure out exactly what the Alien really is, and Weyland corp backtracks to LV-223, because it's connected in every way to when he dies. 

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@Caryn; Quote "Perhaps the company is neither good nor evil, and we just need to see things from their perspective...  There could be a twisted sense of logic behind why Weyland-Yutani is willing to let people die/sacrifice themselves for the cause."

yes! very interesting and something we may learn more about in either ALIEN 5 or Prometheus 2.

I just hope they don't focus too much on the company and their agenda. I want to see the Alien in a different light! I want to see gory, disturbing horror. Focusing too much on the company will make it too sci-fi for my likeing.

I'm not a big fan of sci-fi in general, believe it or not. I like horror! And Space Horror in particular! That's one of the main reasons that i have my concerns about Blomkamp making it. he seems to be well into his sci-fi and i have my fears that it may turn out to be like ALIENS or ELISIUM!

My preferred directors, in an ideal world where i make everthing happen :) Would be:

Jonathan Demme, or for spooky realism - Michael Mann. But unfortunately thats not going to happen :(

 

The poster was good though!

 

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That's completely understandable, I get where you're coming from. The Alien should really be the focus in ALIEN5; and the Engineers/Shaw & David should be the focus in Paradise.

My dream is for them to create a TV show that's all about the Company, about all the worlds they've colonized etc.  It could be like a companion piece to Alien 5 and Paradise, which explains the company's "culture" and how far they've come from their days on Earth.  That would be more scifi than horror. The fully functioning colonies would be like small scale versions of humanity, like cross-sections of human culture.  But the higher ups at the Company would have their own beliefs and perspectives on everything.  

Most people don't consider themselves evil, so the idea would be to question the very nature of evil itself.  Is the Alien actually evil, or is it just doing what it needs to do to survive? The androids view the Alien as the perfect organism, with defense mechanisms that far exceed the denial the company engages in.  The company uses psychological defense mechanisms + a twisted sense of logic to justify actions. But the androids think only they can perceive right from wrong.  Creating differences in how the androids, company, Engineers, Aliens and viewers perceive/view the universe & the Alien itself. Androids & Aliens might perceive things differently

It would be complicated because it becomes partially about interpretation & perception.  It could change the way we look at Aliens if we learn how they think & interpret signals in the environment.  I think the Alien is driven mainly by instinct, like you say.  The androids would admire the Alien for its purity because it's not clouded by delusions of morality or a twisted sense of logic.  To the androids, its actions would be more pure than the humans.  Engineers would worship them. They could be viewed as either an angel or a demon.  It would become kind of ambiguous.

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Necronom 4 are these the kind of evil hellish scenes you want to see in an alien movie ??

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or do you just want the xeno to be more evil and explored by itself ?? could you possably show what kind of xeno image you had in mind ??

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People dont scare as easy anymore apart from scenes that are timed to make you jump. We can re-design the Alien as much as we like and we shall never ever recapture the first time we saw it. It worked because not mainly its the first time we saw it, but mainly in the new way that it re-produced especially the Face Hugging to Chest Buster Stages. What also made it Scary was the way it stalked the crew and attacked from the dark as opposed to showing us a full on body shot of it attacking. Its the same as why the 1982 Thing was Scary for all the same reasons as above, and despite how many times they can re-design hideous scenes and The Thing mutations, some that may appear more graphic than the Original... it is the way the Thing was first shown which was a never quite seen before way of procreating itself (Survive) that was more Stealthy than the way it was shown in the 2011 movie. The same thing would happen with any Monster movie... if we get a Cloverfield 2 which we see more of the Monster on screen than the vague shots until the end that we have in the original then a Cloverfield 2 would just not have the same effect. The only way to make the Alien more Scary is not in how the creature looks but in how it reacts with its victims, or by showing us a new kind that has a never quite scene before and graphic way of procreating itself.

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