Zeta II Reticuli, a weapons development facility?
Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJun-19-2016 11:49 AMNot too long ago I created a graphic novel called Prometheus: Absolution, in which I hypothesized how the derelict Juggernaut ended up on LV-426. Many of you appreciated the work, citing it as the most probable explanation as to the lone Engineer pilots fate. With Alien: Covenant having ignited a new wave of discussions into the Alien franchise many of us are again looking at the movie series with fresh eyes, noticing things we never realized before. As such I have looked back at the graphic novel and realized that unfortunately, it's all a load of rubbish, because of one inconsistency that has been a topic of debate since the first movie was released - the notorious egg silo or chamber.
Up until 2012's Prometheus the underside of the derelict Juggernaut had never been seen on screen. The measurements of the model used for the alien craft in behind the scenes material's showed that the egg silo could not be part of the vessel, leading some fans to theorize that the compartment was the interior of a structure hidden on the moon, echoing elements from the original script that were abandoned during production of the 1979 classic that featured a pyramid.
In Prometheus Captain Janek infers that LV-223 was a weapon storage facility built by the Engineers to store the deadly biological weapon, and the two Juggernaut's depicted in the movie, and the holographic mapping of the alien craft clearly confirm that the egg silo cannot feasibly exist beneath the platform used by the Engineer to pilot the craft, though it was shown that Juggernauts do carry a cargo of many thousands, possibly millions of urns containing the deadly biological weapon stored on LV-223.
It would seem highly likely, if not certain that the egg silo is part of an Engineer created structure on Acheron LV-426 used to store the Xenomorph eggs. With at least one of the multiple facilities on LV-223 containing urns carrying a biological agent "tainted" with Xenomorph DNA and at least one facility on LV-426 containing Xenomorph eggs, educated speculation would suggest that the two moons are part of a biological weapon factory, with each moon housing a different stage in the weapons development. With there being three moons in orbit around Calpamos, our speculation can reasonably suggest that the third, unnamed moon may likely have at least one Engineer created structure used as part of the development of the deadly biological weapon known by fans as the "Black Goo."
If we assume that the structure(s) on LV-426 was used to house the raw materials - the Xenomorph eggs, with the facilities on LV-223 known for being used to store the weapon developed from the eggs on LV-426. Logic would dictate that the facility we have speculated to be on the third moon is therefore used to create the deadly weapon. The Xenomorphs ability to metamorphose organic hosts into eggs incubating a Xenomorph Facehugger seems directly related to the deadly weapons ability to genetically infect victims with Xenomorph attributes. With the black goo developed from Xenomorph eggs it would suggest that the results of the black goo - the Trilobite and the Deacon, were not examples of the proto-form of the Xenomorph, but a weaponized variant of the creature, to be used to wipe out entire ecosystems and not just the hosts that inhabit them.
As to where the eggs come from still remains a mystery, and therefore, the Xenomorphs origin also remains unknown, maintaining the mystery. However, it is possible that there are other lunar systems throughout the galaxy used by the Engineers to store the Xenomorph eggs, the urns and whatever nightmarish facility exists on Calpamos' third moon.
Unfortunately, I realize that this realization only sheds light on the moons of Calpamos, and the Engineers presence there - everything else puts us all back to square one - we don't know what happened to the lone pilot on LV-426, we don't know where else to find Xenomorph eggs, we don't know where the Engineers come from nor why they intended to use the deadly weapon on us 2000 years ago. Though it does make me wonder what the facility on the third moon looks like (Gigers Homage to Bocklin, maybe - pictured below) and the nightmarish mechanisms and alchemy it contains.
BigDave
MemberDeaconJul-11-2016 9:52 AMIf we go that route.... then they have to give us some options... i am not sure they would go into detail to try and say how big the Juggernaught and Derelict are to each other...
But as far as the Egg Silo... if they wish to try and give some answers to those who have noticed flaws.. they could do..
1) Show the Egg Silo as being a separate Storage Hold, which the Ship was landing on... to collect or drop off Cargo? This would mean changing some of the Plot ideas to the whole purpose and Space Jockey Story... which stands as follows.
The Ship had been setting off to a undisclosed location with its Cargo... the Ship did not get far because Pilot got infected and so had to set the ship down to the nearest baron moon to Quarantine the Cargo and set off a SOS Warning to his fellow Race.
The full details of this scenario are never explained... Spaights Drafts did try and lead us to the Space Jockey being infected before he left to go take his ship to his destination Earth... but this is to assume the Engineer Ship was the Derelict on Alien.
Prometheus went a different route and so, the Derelict could have gone into shut down... like the Last Engineer... then the Space Jockey awoke after time and proceeded to head to its destination.. but unknown to him he was either infected prior or after the LV-223 Outbreak.... or his Cargo had evolved. This by the time he set off to leave LV-223 he was then gestating a Chest Buster that was about to Burst....
This has plot holes in too which i wont explain in detail. The latter part of this Scenario would conflict with the Separate Egg Silo theory..... unless the Ships destination was the LV-426 Egg Silo.... which would be a redesign of the Plot that Ridley proposed.
2) The Derelict ship has indeed some kind of Dr Who.. Tardis... Dimensional Transcendentalism Technology.
As far as the Space Jockey.... a long time ago and im talking way way before Prometheus Ridley had said it was a Space Suit, he did however never explain what the Race inside looked like.
But HR Gigers Face Huger designs with its hosts and the Mural showing the Process that he did, all have similar looking Bald Humanoid connection... Maybe they evolved the idea off Gigers concept works.
The Space Jockey could be explained to sort out inconsistencies as..
1) A different but related order of Humanoids related to the Engineers thus more beings within the Hierarchy than simply Engineers. Just as in Greek Mythos you have Titans and Olympians.... or God and Angels, or Anunnaki and Igigu/Igigi or we can also go as far as the interbreeding between Gods and Man... to create Giants.
2) Have the Space Jockey as a other Alien Race, very Alien but i would still not have it as a Skeleton because well it does not appear that way apart from the head and rib cage...
So instead indeed have it as a Space Suit where the Head is not a Helmet but some Cthulhu type being like the image posted by Gavin... only with a more normal mouth....
Then have the hose as a breathing apparatus that connects the suit to the Space Jockey...
Which ever they choose... they could have them as being more Ancient and Higher in the Hierarchy or even have the Engineer Rebel against them... maybe even steal or reverse Engineer their Technology...
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I however think they would show us that the Ships are related and Engineers and Space Jockey and indeed the ships Egg Silo is its Cargo Hold.
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
BigDave
MemberDeaconJul-11-2016 9:53 AMIf we go that route.... then they have to give us some options... i am not sure they would go into detail to try and say how big the Juggernaught and Derelict are to each other...
But as far as the Egg Silo... if they wish to try and give some answers to those who have noticed flaws.. they could do..
1) Show the Egg Silo as being a separate Storage Hold, which the Ship was landing on... to collect or drop off Cargo? This would mean changing some of the Plot ideas to the whole purpose and Space Jockey Story... which stands as follows.
The Ship had been setting off to a undisclosed location with its Cargo... the Ship did not get far because Pilot got infected and so had to set the ship down to the nearest baron moon to Quarantine the Cargo and set off a SOS Warning to his fellow Race.
The full details of this scenario are never explained... Spaights Drafts did try and lead us to the Space Jockey being infected before he left to go take his ship to his destination Earth... but this is to assume the Engineer Ship was the Derelict on Alien.
Prometheus went a different route and so, the Derelict could have gone into shut down... like the Last Engineer... then the Space Jockey awoke after time and proceeded to head to its destination.. but unknown to him he was either infected prior or after the LV-223 Outbreak.... or his Cargo had evolved. This by the time he set off to leave LV-223 he was then gestating a Chest Buster that was about to Burst....
This has plot holes in too which i wont explain in detail. The latter part of this Scenario would conflict with the Separate Egg Silo theory..... unless the Ships destination was the LV-426 Egg Silo.... which would be a redesign of the Plot that Ridley proposed.
2) The Derelict ship has indeed some kind of Dr Who.. Tardis... Dimensional Transcendentalism Technology.
As far as the Space Jockey.... a long time ago and im talking way way before Prometheus Ridley had said it was a Space Suit, he did however never explain what the Race inside looked like.
But HR Gigers Face Huger designs with its hosts and the Mural showing the Process that he did, all have similar looking Bald Humanoid connection... Maybe they evolved the idea off Gigers concept works.
The Space Jockey could be explained to sort out inconsistencies as..
1) A different but related order of Humanoids related to the Engineers thus more beings within the Hierarchy than simply Engineers. Just as in Greek Mythos you have Titans and Olympians.... or God and Angels, or Anunnaki and Igigu/Igigi or we can also go as far as the interbreeding between Gods and Man... to create Giants.
2) Have the Space Jockey as a other Alien Race, very Alien but i would still not have it as a Skeleton because well it does not appear that way apart from the head and rib cage...
So instead indeed have it as a Space Suit where the Head is not a Helmet but some Cthulhu type being like the image posted by Gavin... only with a more normal mouth....
Then have the hose as a breathing apparatus that connects the suit to the Space Jockey...
Which ever they choose... they could have them as being more Ancient and Higher in the Hierarchy or even have the Engineer Rebel against them... maybe even steal or reverse Engineer their Technology...
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
S.M
MemberXenomorphJul-11-2016 3:12 PM"Earlier replies have suggested that the Derelict on LV-426 is half the size of the Juggernaut on LV-223, yet according to both Wikia's Alien Anthology and Xenopedia, both of the vessels are actually the same size - 173.4 meters or 571.8 feet. "
Not sure I'd call on either of those wikis as the final word in accuracy.
Facehuggers
MemberNeomorphJul-11-2016 4:16 PMJust compare the 3 side port holes on both ships and their size relations to Shaw (PROMETHEUS) and Dallas (ALIEN).
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Obviously, the Derelict is quite a bit smaller!
BigDave
MemberDeaconJul-11-2016 5:10 PMYes by the scale of things the Juggernaughts total size of the openings not including just the hole... is about 22ft give or take...
The Actual Hole seems to be about 9-10ft wide and 14-15ft High
Alien its 20-21ft but the actual hole is about 12-13ft Tall by 7ft at its widest points
This is using those photos as a estimate.... i did use others before and cant remember the results...
But there was not a HUGE difference in size.... the difference comes from the size of these openings compared to the rest of the Derelict and Juggernaught and the openings are smaller portion of the Juggernaught than the Derelict which would confirm the Derelict to be smaller
R.I.P Sox 01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017
