What if... Alien was remade?

"A L I E N is one of a handful of truly original films which goes beyond its flaws to make it special in a unique and timeless way. "

Alien is many things. I'm not sure "original" is one of them.

"Wrong. The Engineers are the most interesting thing in the series now."

Is that why Ridley changed his mind to move back towards the Aliens, when he previously said he wouldn't?

"Is that why Ridley changed his mind to move back towards the Aliens, when he previously said he wouldn't?"

I think we have to remember that FOX are in control... if FOX decided... hey Prometheus was a disappointment, fans never got it like we wanted to... was it really a good idea to change the movie and have no Xeno explanations or Xenos?

Hey fans did not quite buy the ambiguity or those Engineers, seems like the whole Gods things is boring to them....  but wow the internet is a buzz with Alien 5..

Hey guys i think we need to concentrate on the Xeno this time... also why not link Ripley Rights.... "yeah thats Frickin Cool"

And what about if those Engineers Stole the Black Goo from the Predators...."yeah that would work..."

They then present this to Ridley and he says no way Go F yourself...

If Fox think this is what the fans would want and it would sell..... then Fox would just get someone else in... and Predators as God here we go...

THATS NOT TO SAY WHATS GOING ON

Just basically Fox will do what they think the mass of fans would rather have and what would draw more general fans in.... and ultimately MONEY!

Its like in hindsight they look at Spaights draft and Lindeloffs and think which will make the big bucks...

But then Fox liked the idea of trying something new, they was all up for those changes... it appears Ridley like Spaights draft but then agreed with tone down the Xeno and those few changes..

I think in hindsight and looking at the buzz that is around Alien 5, Fox have felt that a more Xeno based movie that connects to Alien and Ripley is whats needed rather than a Engineers and what else they get up to apart from Xenomorphs.

We also have to consider this....

Alien 5 has got anticipation built upon it... Fan Boys seem pleased, General Public will recognize the Xenomorphs and Ripley...  Its familiar....

They movie is also trying to touch upon some interesting new Concepts... related to different strands of Xeno DNA....Potential Egg Morph and Xeno Cycle and Agenda... and also Space Jockey/Engineer Tech.

And so it could as Ridley said, have conflicted with how it was to show a few elements connected to either or all of..

*Engineers Technology and Ships...

*What becomes of Engineer ships, was in Alien franchise the Derelict the only one to be had?

*Xenomorph Life Cycle and Origins.. and Purpose

*Role of the Engineers and Ships in this all

*Potentially more clues to LV-426 maybe LV-223 as far as prior to Alien and Prometheus and Post

some of these could conflict with Prometheus 2... and how Eventually Ridleys Prometheus 2 and 3 would explain maybe.

*Xeno and Engineer Connection.

*Xeno Origins... why/when and how

* What became of the Xeno after this Origin, or what became of LV-223 and LV-426 was the Space Jockey connected to those events?

*What happened to LV-223 post and prior to that outbreak...

*Why was the Xeno created to use on us, and why was we created in the first place if to just be destroyed.

*What is left of the Xenomorph and related biology and Engineers Technology by the time of Alien... is the Derelict and its Cargo the only source of Engineer Tech and Xeno DNA?

These things connected to Alien they would have wanted to answer, but they also wanted to answer other things and explore other things..

If these Alien connections was to be answered at the end of a 3rd movie.... 

THEN WE HAVE THIS PROBLEM....

If Alien 5 wished to touch upon things, that if it did so would spoil the answers or leave no reasons for Prometheus 2-3 to cover them.. if Alien 5 answers the potential CLIFF HANGER that a Prometheus 2 leaves that a Prometheus 3 would answer...

Do they then put Alien 5 on hold untill Prometheus 3 is Finished and Ridleys Prequels done and Answers to the Xeno... why/when and how.... its connection to Engineers and Space Jockey and clues to the Space Jockey and Cargo...

by the time Ridley is finished with this... would the buzz and anticipation for Alien 5 had died...  as people lose interest in waiting for Ridley to cover his prequels so that Alien 5 cant tread on there toes..

There is a risk of this especially of Prometheus 2 and 3 bombed.....

BY CHANGING A FEW THINGS

They can have a movie that would give more Xeno Clues but hold some back....  and then allow Alien 5 to touch upon a few things that if it came out first would SPOIL or Answer somethings Ridley wanted to tackle with the Prometheus 2nd installment... or 3rd..

So this is what i think has happened... if think Alien 5 will have connections to Alien Covenant and Alien...

Alien Covenant would also have some connections to Prometheus..

But it would allow Alien 5 to showcase Xenos and Engineer Tech without spoiling anything...  and it would allow a Alien Prequel 3 to then  cover these more... but explore the Engineers more...

By the time we have Alien Covenant and Alien 5 and the 3rd Prequel Movie... then i think ties to Alien would be made... apart from TWO THINGS..

2) The Exact Space Jockey Story... from when he got up in the morning or weeks prior or months to the whole purpose for his mission and then what happened to him...

3) What else is behind these Engineers that does not relate to events on Earth and the Xenomorphs.

Agree 100% BigDave.

Fox knows what sells. They are getting back to basics.

Need to put some teeth into the Engineers:

"The Engineer dragged a pile of humans into the lab.  He then 'pinned' each subject to the laboratory wall. The Earthlings were drugged and unable to move, only able to watch in horror.   He began shoving large tubes down their throats.  One subject(a small female) rejected the tube...almost regaining use of her body! The Engineer quickly ripped the tube from the subject, removing with it, her lower jaw and part of her trachea......"

I will ask the Question....

Apart from how the Ships Exterior and Interior could be made to look more realistic and better due to latest effects not only CGI but Technology and Advancements in Set Designs.....   And Advancements in Practical Special Effects and CGI to make a new more realistic rendition of HR Gigers 1979 Alien Monster

And also to add to the Movie Plot... the Element of some Temple Complex on that World that was related to the Xenomorph Eggs and then how those Eggs got from this complex to the Derelict.. or vice versa..

What other reason would a Alien Reboot be needed?

If the Re-boot was to again find a SOS and a Derelict with a Cargo of Eggs....  and no Temple...

Then why?  all that could be done is improve the scale of the Ship so that the Egg Cargo is more believable

And so again we dont need a re-boot to show the things that was left out... separate Temple and Egg Silo or a more Modern Technology take on the Xenomorph and Ship....

Another movie could give us nice ships set in the same period as Alien, a more realistic Alien and what connection Temples and Egg Silos or where Eggs are created or stored when not on the Engineer Ships..

In fact i cant see why Alien Covenant and its sequel cant add those things...

And so Alien does not need a Re-boot...

It just needs a coherent Prequel that adds up and connects to Alien rather than contradict it or leave Plot Holes. 

ALIEN  does not need a Re-boot... the Prequels need a Re-boot

LOL yeah

I do like that MonsterZero...

I do think this is where we as going.... these Engineers are not the Fancy Pancy Kind God of the Bible who goes Nuts and over the top when you upset him..

Nope there is a darker Agenda.. and these guys are no more friendly to us than people who Run a Slaughter House for Food... or a Lab that tests products on Animals.

The only scene in Alien that gives me pause....is the one where they are trying to get Ashes's head to stand upright(after Parker beheaded it). Looks really fake and I always look away when this scene comes on. 

Thanks BigDave!

A scene like that would have changed my view on the Engineers! 

I think Alien Covenant will attempt to give us those things that Alien had dropped from it... while also giving us a more that touches more on a Alien and Alien 3 Tense Horror and Suspense Flick.

For this to work... the Colony Crew has to be just that...  Maybe we would have a few Guys who can look after themselves or Mercs... but this crew should be more up against the odds than Prometheus Crew ever was...

I also think for that reason a limited number of Xenos would be needed... 2-4 tops.

I think thats the Problem... they never seemed to have a A-Z idea for the Engineers and purpose...

Its a lot of ideas without thinking how does it all tie in... kind of like make it up as you go along and then change things on the way.

You have to ask when they did those Murals and Frescos.. did they have a reason and explanation for it.. like they knew what the purpose was, but they would tease us with clues so that we can eventually have some answers but keep mystery too yet.. behind the scenes they knew what the connection and purpose was.

Or did they not give it any thought...?

This is why Covenant confuses me...

They could have gone ahead with a Prometheus 2 and still gave another Alien Prequel...  instead of try and Merge the Two..

A Colony Ship by different name could have been on the way to some place that is part terraformed thinking it would be a idea place to start a Earth 2... im thinking of a place more advanced than LV-223 a place that was in the process of being more Earth Like...

Maybe between LV-223 in Prometheus and LV-223 in Fire and Stone....

But  this crew uncover this place was just another Facility or a place that the Engineers where setting up before something went wrong... and have this crew then also find clues to Paradise...

Thus separates Shaw and David but connects them too.

This world could have been like the Original from Alien and Star Beast setting just more Terraformed... i.e no need for Space Suits...

This could have been a soft re-boot that then connects to Prometheus... via having either the survivors determine the ship they discover had either departed LV-223 co-ordinates... or Paradises.

This would have gave us Xeno clues... and left Prometheus 2 to touch upon Engineers and purpose for the Xenomorphs...

But i think the movie we are getting combines these ideas into one movie.

"I think we have to remember that FOX are in control... if FOX decided... "

"If" being the operative word. Ridley isn't going to go down a road he doesn't want to.

"And so Alien does not need a Re-boot..."

How many movies actually need to be made?

Agreed... my point was that if Ridleys vision and Foxes where far apart and Fox wanted to have the Predators being the ones who Engineers Stole the Goo from...  if this is where Fox wants to go and Ridley does not, then ultimately Fox will do what they want to do.

But I think there in reality is always a bit of cohesion between them and so they would have thrashed out what Ridleys hopes are and Fox and would have had mutral ground and so yes the changes from Spaights to Lindeloffs based draft was a idea that Ridley had agreed with.

And it would be likewise with the Covenant draft, i was not saying that the next movie is something they dont agree on... i was merely saying that FOX ultimately owns the Franchise and if they wanted to do stuff that Ridley did not agree with then it would ultimately be down to Fox if they would be open to what Ridley would suggest but ultimately its FOX who has the final and majority say as its their Franchise they own the rights to it.

But i think they have faith in Ridley, i think they have realized that in hindsight maybe going away from the Xenomorph question was a bit of a mistake.

And so now going that route, and with Alien 5 too and it maybe also giving Engineer Tech etc.... once they have basically covered the Xenomorph to a satisfactory level...  And if it makes good return..

Then people may then want to know more about who these Engineers/Space Jockey are and so the Door is open to Evolve that at a latter date... but concentrate on Alien Xeno connections first.

Also i dont know what you mean by "How many movies actually need to be made?"

The answer could be as many as Fox feels could be made and make money from...

Ridleys Star Wars Comment seems to indicate that Fox sees money to be made, and a stories left to be told.

We know we are getting a Alien Covenant and i am sure Fox have green lighted a sequel to that already.. (thats not a Guarantee, if Alien Covenant is a disappointment)

So i think Alien Covenant and its sequel would give us enough connections to be able to understand how the Xenomorph came to be, its relation to the Engineers and also how come Mankind is involved.. i think we would loosely get why they or at least those on LV-223 where working on those Bio-Weapons intended for Earth.

I think the clues would be there for us to then know what could have happened to the Space Jockey without the Full Story...

I think they will cover the Engineers a bit, but its not going to be a Engineer based series of movies... the door is open to explore that later.

And so after Alien Covenant and its sequel... and Alien 5 we should get a better understanding of the Xeno/Engineer/Space Jockey connections and purpose.. and how Mankind/Earth fits in.

so thats 3 more Alien Movies...

But i think they then have the door left open to explore the Space Jockey directly if they choose to do so.. and also branch off with a Engineers movie that covers the Agenda... Origins and other things these Engineers have done in the Galaxy..

But the goal is mainly Xenomorph connections to them. this is what seems to be the case.

So yes seems we will get 2 Alien Prequels that connect a line between Prometheus and Alien... with the option for a Space Jockey movie... and a potential other Franchise offshoot with the Engineers.

But i also think if Alien 5 is a hit, then we could see a Alien 6 that follows on, maybe be about Newt.. but depends on how Alien 5 does.

As far as how many other Alien movies need to be made as far as a Re-boot..

My point was that i dont think Alien needs to be re-booted at all..... i left  the reasons why a few times...

If they wanted to give us more detailed Xenomorphs and Ships and touch upon a few things from early Alien Draft and Star Beast that never made it in Alien... then why would they need to re-boot Alien?

Prometheus loosely tried to go this route of things that was left out of Alien... Alien Covenant could likewise give us similar and actually re-introduce the Xenomorph in full modern glory...

No need for a Alien remake... period...

But i was saying if they was to touch upon few things that never made it to Alien movie, then there are other ways to do it... than to Remake Alien.

But thats not to say Alien wont be re-made in future... can we tell what 25-50 years would bring?

But i seriously doubt they would re-boot Alien anytime soon, especially with Alien 5 going to be made and also Alien Covenant having some kind of Ripley link.

BD, again awesome analysis.  I'm beginning to think that this issue of the black goo may have several different story lines.  As has been posited, the stuff may have started out as a good thing, that seeded planets and so forth, but was then weaponized by warring faction(s) and was evil in purpose.  So you have the duality of nature in humans as well as these other races. 

The cup at the beginning of Prometheus is the benevolent version, the urns at the end are the malevolent ones. 

The black goo is similar in our case to nuclear power.  Can be used for good, or evil.  Kinda depends on the peeps involved.

I see three uses so far.  The initial seeding of lifeless planets.  The use as a glalactic "Round Up" to kill off existing life in order to create something new, possibly good?  And finally the ultimate weaponized version that looks to be designed to kill off all life, and replace it with some kind of Zeno nastiness?

The question is, was this intentional progression, or just some kind of accident?  Did some evil faction of their race intentionally weaponize it, or did it simply get out of hand?

Yeah, Prometheus open up a whole can of worms here.  And I'm one of those guys that finds this way more interesting than bugs running around.  Although I'm totally down with figuring out how to kill them. 

Yes there is a whole range and world of possibilities for whats going on... but its a case of are they simplifying it now?

"The cup at the beginning of Prometheus is the benevolent version, the urns at the end are the malevolent ones"

I dont think the intention was like that, the base substance is merely a Tool it is not benevolent or malevolent.... like a Chainsaw, a Hammer a Drill they are all Tools that perform a task to make it easier but such Tools on their own perform no actions... but when used they can be used to conduct tasks to make them easier or used to cause destruction.

The Base Substance can also be Dangerous in which ever way it is used... even the Sacrificial Scene.

We can assume from the way it was intended that, if say Shaw and David returned home and Shaw was to consume a large dose of the Sacrificial Goo while she is at a beach...  then her broken down material would ultimately mix and evolve what ever it came into contact with... which could seriously change Life it comes into contact with..

If a Cat was given the Sacrificial Goo and fell into a Lake it would be safe to assume any Humans, Fish or other lifeforms would then be at risk of infection and those infected would be in a way destroyed to become something new.  A Warewolf is no longer the same benevolent person when in Wolf Form... and The Goo could have the same effect on Life.

So what i am saying is even the Sacrificial Goo has a destructive impact....  sometimes to create one must first destroy.

There lies the use of the Substance... it is a tool a Mutagen, maybe Virus, maybe Parasite that can be used as a way to harvest one Organisms DNA to allow its Genetic Traits to be spread to other life and pass on its traits.

This was the Original Concept... but this could be changed from now on... and even post Prometheus.

But all clues to me still point to the Sacrificial Cup and Urns having two different substances... the Urns having the results of what happens after congestion of the Sacrificial Soup so to speak.

However Diz... yes very good points and your along  the right path to a degree..

I think the thing we have not known is purpose....

But they are loosely tying it to Paradise Lost, but also we have to take into account Prometheus Myth too.

But i think this is for another Topic... or can be touched upon in the Mural Room thread recently.

Big Dave: Just some comments about what you wrote.  Fox probably thought that Prometheus did enough profits to make a sequel, which is a good thing. Hopefully they will give us some answers this time either to the Xeno or (more important) the things that were confusing in Prometheus.

The Engineers have potential but they must be made interesting and make somewhat sense while still have a mystery about them like the Xeno has. I don’t think that we should be given all answers about them or the Xeno but that is my opinion about it.

I have seen some cut scenes from Prometheus and they help a lot so I don’t think that they should cut important scenes just to maintain some mystery when the result of cutting these makes the movie look dumb and confusing.

Unfortunately they didn’t use as much from Spaights script as they could have. The characters were also better in his script. A clearer connection to the Xenos would have been good but it shouldn’t be too obvious. I don’t think that Ripley should be an important link because the whole Xeno and Engineer thing is so much more than Ripley. If they would have got the characters right in Prometheus then maybe they wouldn’t even think about connecting Ripley to this.

As far as Alien 5 goes I am not interested but if people in general will have interest in it then good for them I guess but I don’t care about the movie. The Xeno should have some mystery so having it be familiar kind of takes away what is interesting about it.

Hopefully Alien 5 won’t take away issues that the follow ups to Prometheus will try to answer. I hope that Alien Covenant will answer some of the things that were too vague in Prometheus and that didn’t make sense.

Maybe they will show how the Xeno was made but I hope that they will have some mystery about it when the prequels are finished. They did too little of a Xeno connection in Prometheus but it shouldn’t be too obvious either. There is a need for some balance here.I don’t think that we need an Alien 6, been there done that so to speak.

"Also i dont know what you mean by "How many movies actually need to be made?""

The phrase 'Alien doesn't need to be remade/ rebooted' has been mentioned a number of times.

The reality is no film needs to be made, nevermind remade.

S.M: I wish that they could be more creative and figure out new movies. There are too many re-makes now.